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Post by FULL_MONTY on Sept 25, 2024 20:59:37 GMT -8
Regarding conferences in the FBS, section 20.02.6 on Football Bowl Subdivision Conferences (page 407) states:
A conference classified as a Football Bowl Subdivision conference shall be comprised of at least eight full Football Bowl Subdivision members that satisfy all bowl subdivision requirements. An institution shall be included as one of the eight full Football Bowl Subdivision members only if the institution participates in the conference schedule in at least six men’s and eight women’s conference-sponsored sports, including men’s basketball and football and three women’s team sports, including women’s basketball. A conference-sponsored sport shall be a sport in which regular season and/or championship opportunities are provided, consistent with the minimum standards identified by the applicable NCAA sport committee for automatic qualification.
Need to keep this in mind.
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Post by laaztec on Sept 25, 2024 21:02:35 GMT -8
So what are you getting at?
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Sept 25, 2024 21:12:42 GMT -8
So what are you getting at? As I read the clause, you can’t add Gonzaga and Hawaii and call it a day. You need a member who will has football as one of the men’s sports that plus I’m conference. The PAC will have to hold its nose and take one of the teams east of the Mississippi. SJSU Nevada UNM Texas State Arkansas State La Tech Louisiana LA Monroe SHSU NM State UTEP Excluded AAC options. |
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Post by laaztec on Sept 25, 2024 21:21:25 GMT -8
So what are you getting at? As I read the clause, you can’t add Gonzaga and Hawaii and call it a day. You need a member who will has football as one of the men’s sports that plus I’m conference. The PAC will have to hold its nose and take one of the teams east of the Mississippi. SJSU Nevada UNM Texas State Arkansas State La Tech Louisiana LA Monroe SHSU NM State UTEP Excluded AAC options. We need 8 plus Gonzaga. They can still go after the AAC schools again. No then doesn’t mean no now. Also UConn football has already been thrown around so I wouldn’t be surprised if that doesn’t happen. www.courant.com/2024/09/24/report-uconn-in-talks-with-pac-12-about-joining-new-look-conference/Out of all the schools you listed Texas State is the most intriguing. |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Sept 25, 2024 21:29:25 GMT -8
As I read the clause, you can’t add Gonzaga and Hawaii and call it a day. You need a member who will has football as one of the men’s sports that plus I’m conference. The PAC will have to hold its nose and take one of the teams east of the Mississippi. SJSU Nevada UNM Texas State Arkansas State La Tech Louisiana LA Monroe SHSU NM State UTEP Excluded AAC options. We need 8 plus Gonzaga. They can still go after the AAC schools again. No then doesn’t mean no now. Also UConn football has already been thrown around so I wouldn’t be surprised if that doesn’t happen. www.courant.com/2024/09/24/report-uconn-in-talks-with-pac-12-about-joining-new-look-conference/Out of all the schools you listed Texas State is the most intriguing. Arkansas State intrigues me. |
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Post by laaztec on Sept 25, 2024 21:37:17 GMT -8
Arkansas State intrigues me. No TV market in a small state with a small population. Getting into Texas is key. |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Sept 25, 2024 21:38:15 GMT -8
Arkansas State intrigues me. No TV market in a small state with a small population. Getting into Texas is key. Texas is SJSU redux. |
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Post by laaztec on Sept 25, 2024 21:42:53 GMT -8
No TV market in a small state with a small population. Getting into Texas is key. Texas is SJSU redux. At least they don’t have an IKEA on one side of their football stadium. |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Sept 25, 2024 22:01:15 GMT -8
At least they don’t have an IKEA on one side of their football stadium. Read up on Ark State. |
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Post by hoobs on Sept 26, 2024 0:09:01 GMT -8
At least they don’t have an IKEA on one side of their football stadium. Read up on Ark State. What about Arkansas State? Teams would have to fly to Memphis and then get in a bus for an hour+ drive. Academic rankings are absolutely horrible, like, well below Boise State (Arkansas State #342 out of 436 National Universities in USWNR, Boise # 296). Having read up on Ark State, I would MUCH rather have San Jose State as the 8th school. |
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Post by Gundo on Sept 26, 2024 1:00:39 GMT -8
Check out the Massy Rankings, then take your pick! Here are a few schools catching my eye at 2:07 AM: James Madison at #47 (just 2 hours from DC), NIU at #94 (right outside Chicago), Sam Houston at #88 (Huntsville), North Texas at #83 (Denton), and Texas State at #90 (San Marcos). I’m just throwing ideas out there, but why not? We still need one more. Oh, and don’t forget Arkansas State at #96—someone’s gotta bring up the rear! At this point, just grab UConn and lock in 4-5 MBB for the conference—it’s a win-win, right? And if things get any crazier... well, hold my beer its only Wednesday. masseyratings.com/cf/fbs/ratings?c=1www.forbes.com/top-colleges/ |
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Post by Den60 on Sept 26, 2024 6:11:49 GMT -8
Regarding conferences in the FBS, section 20.02.6 on Football Bowl Subdivision Conferences (page 407) states: A conference classified as a Football Bowl Subdivision conference shall be comprised of at least eight full Football Bowl Subdivision members that satisfy all bowl subdivision requirements. An institution shall be included as one of the eight full Football Bowl Subdivision members only if the institution participates in the conference schedule in at least six men’s and eight women’s conference-sponsored sports, including men’s basketball and football and three women’s team sports, including women’s basketball. A conference-sponsored sport shall be a sport in which regular season and/or championship opportunities are provided, consistent with the minimum standards identified by the applicable NCAA sport committee for automatic qualification. Need to keep this in mind. I wonder if you couldn't get an exemption for Hawaii given its unique geographical position. |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Sept 26, 2024 6:36:32 GMT -8
Here is what my research points to, you need 8 FBS schools to participate in the CFP. So taking Hawaii or UCONN would secure CFP conference status. to be considered an FBS conference, you need 8 FBS playing unis. If you pair UCONN or Hawaii with Gonzaga for instance, you would be a CFP conference but technically a FCS basketball conference. So you still make the NCAA championships for all sports and since the bowls are just certified by the NCAA you can continue to participate in bowls.
I could be wrong, but you could just take Hawaii and basketball fill.
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Post by Cwag on Sept 26, 2024 8:32:01 GMT -8
I see two scenarios moving forward:
Go Big: Do what it takes to get UTSA, Tulane, Memphis, USF, UConn and Gonzaga. This creates excitement and gets you your best chance at a bigger media deal. it will cost a lot on money to pull this off and the PAC12 may have to use all its resources to make this happen.
Get to 8: Bring in one more school and get to 8. My Choices for this would be Texas State, Nevada or UTEP in that order. It buys you time and still leaves you with the ability to add 2-4 more schools in the future.
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Post by 01aztecgrad on Sept 26, 2024 8:57:07 GMT -8
Regarding conferences in the FBS, section 20.02.6 on Football Bowl Subdivision Conferences (page 407) states: A conference classified as a Football Bowl Subdivision conference shall be comprised of at least eight full Football Bowl Subdivision members that satisfy all bowl subdivision requirements. An institution shall be included as one of the eight full Football Bowl Subdivision members only if the institution participates in the conference schedule in at least six men’s and eight women’s conference-sponsored sports, including men’s basketball and football and three women’s team sports, including women’s basketball. A conference-sponsored sport shall be a sport in which regular season and/or championship opportunities are provided, consistent with the minimum standards identified by the applicable NCAA sport committee for automatic qualification. Need to keep this in mind. I think the NCAA would fold if challenged on this rather than defend a lawsuit, but this is more of a problem for the MWC than it is for the PAC. If Hawaii doesn't count towards meeting the 8 full FBS members then they need to add two more teams for all sports after giving two members a huge advantage and having almost nothing to offer even a CUSA school. |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Sept 26, 2024 10:20:25 GMT -8
Regarding conferences in the FBS, section 20.02.6 on Football Bowl Subdivision Conferences (page 407) states: A conference classified as a Football Bowl Subdivision conference shall be comprised of at least eight full Football Bowl Subdivision members that satisfy all bowl subdivision requirements. An institution shall be included as one of the eight full Football Bowl Subdivision members only if the institution participates in the conference schedule in at least six men’s and eight women’s conference-sponsored sports, including men’s basketball and football and three women’s team sports, including women’s basketball. A conference-sponsored sport shall be a sport in which regular season and/or championship opportunities are provided, consistent with the minimum standards identified by the applicable NCAA sport committee for automatic qualification. Need to keep this in mind. I think the NCAA would fold if challenged on this rather than defend a lawsuit, but this is more of a problem for the MWC than it is for the PAC. If Hawaii doesn't count towards meeting the 8 full FBS members then they need to add two more teams for all sports after giving two members a huge advantage and having almost nothing to offer even a CUSA school. These 7 schools are fighting against a whole lot of entities at the moment, the ncaa would be no different. |
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Post by Gundo on Sept 26, 2024 11:23:49 GMT -8
I think the NCAA would fold if challenged on this rather than defend a lawsuit, but this is more of a problem for the MWC than it is for the PAC. If Hawaii doesn't count towards meeting the 8 full FBS members then they need to add two more teams for all sports after giving two members a huge advantage and having almost nothing to offer even a CUSA school. These 7 schools are fighting against a whole lot of entities at the moment, the ncaa would be no different. You know what’s so outrageous? The entire college football community is out here calling Washington State, Oregon State, and the remaining Pac-6 greedy, claiming they should just accept a Mountain West/Pac merger. Sure, that might sound logical, but it’s far from knowledgeable. The real greed has been from the likes of UCLA and USC jumping ship to the Big Ten for fatter paychecks, Oklahoma and Texas heading to the SEC for the cash grab and exposure, and the four corner schools running to the Big 12 for, you guessed it—more money, more money, more money and a fear of being left behind. WSU and OSU dis not rebuilding the Pac for greed—they doing it for survival. They're not accepting relegation. They fought in court, won $255 million, retained the Pac-12 branding and assets and even the TV studio, and now they’re standing up for schools that want more than the status quo of being a Group of 5 as an afterthought. This is a true American underdog story. Yet, despite all that, the press, clueless commentators, and TV broadcasters keep saying, "Just merge, or give up." That’s not in the DNA of any of the Pac-6 schools. In a country split between the haves and have-nots, why bow down to the haves and settle for the scraps tossed at the G5? It’s time to rise up! Screw them all, find a partner and move onward & upward. |
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Post by jdaztec on Sept 26, 2024 12:03:06 GMT -8
I like it Gundo !!
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Post by Cwag on Sept 26, 2024 12:09:31 GMT -8
These 7 schools are fighting against a whole lot of entities at the moment, the ncaa would be no different. You know what’s so outrageous? The entire college football community is out here calling Washington State, Oregon State, and the remaining Pac-6 greedy, claiming they should just accept a Mountain West/Pac merger. Sure, that might sound logical, but it’s far from knowledgeable. The real greed has been from the likes of UCLA and USC jumping ship to the Big Ten for fatter paychecks, Oklahoma and Texas heading to the SEC for the cash grab and exposure, and the four corner schools running to the Big 12 for, you guessed it—more money, more money, more money and a fear of being left behind. WSU and OSU dis not rebuilding the Pac for greed—they doing it for survival. They're not accepting relegation. They fought in court, won $255 million, retained the Pac-12 branding and assets and even the TV studio, and now they’re standing up for schools that want more than the status quo of being a Group of 5 as an afterthought. This is a true American underdog story. Yet, despite all that, the press, clueless commentators, and TV broadcasters keep saying, "Just merge, or give up." That’s not in the DNA of any of the Pac-6 schools. In a country split between the haves and have-nots, why bow down to the haves and settle for the scraps tossed at the G5? It’s time to rise up! Screw them all, find a partner and move onward & upward.  |
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Post by zurac315 on Sept 26, 2024 12:34:57 GMT -8
These 7 schools are fighting against a whole lot of entities at the moment, the ncaa would be no different. You know what’s so outrageous? The entire college football community is out here calling Washington State, Oregon State, and the remaining Pac-6 greedy, claiming they should just accept a Mountain West/Pac merger. Sure, that might sound logical, but it’s far from knowledgeable. The real greed has been from the likes of UCLA and USC jumping ship to the Big Ten for fatter paychecks, Oklahoma and Texas heading to the SEC for the cash grab and exposure, and the four corner schools running to the Big 12 for, you guessed it—more money, more money, more money and a fear of being left behind. WSU and OSU dis not rebuilding the Pac for greed—they doing it for survival. They're not accepting relegation. They fought in court, won $255 million, retained the Pac-12 branding and assets and even the TV studio, and now they’re standing up for schools that want more than the status quo of being a Group of 5 as an afterthought. This is a true American underdog story. Yet, despite all that, the press, clueless commentators, and TV broadcasters keep saying, "Just merge, or give up." That’s not in the DNA of any of the Pac-6 schools. In a country split between the haves and have-nots, why bow down to the haves and settle for the scraps tossed at the G5? It’s time to rise up! Screw them all, find a partner and move onward & upward. Merge with the entire MWC? That would be totally unacceptable in my opinion. I can't imagine why WSU and/or OSU would even consider such a thing. Might as well just give up as do that. |
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