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Post by soccer94 on Sept 26, 2024 11:57:45 GMT -8
Don’t look now, Sac State just announced they are building a new 25,000 seat stadium and using the architect Populous. I know everyone says no way but they are located in the top 20 media markets in the nation and have plans to build a new basketball arena as well. They will easily surpass SJSU in the athletic front in the next 5 years. I’d much rather take a young program looking to grow than someone who’s done nothing for decades. The cost for the football stadium is estimated at $300mm and the basketball arena $225mm. Where do they get the money? "The price tag for the grand proposal, which would make Hornet Stadium the largest sports venue in the capital region, was not disclosed though Wood said the funds from a variety of sources including donor funds and future naming rights was “secured.” "Wood said Sacramento State has secured funding for the stadium and it would “not have an impact on the overall budget for the university, as we seek to both protect our core mission of teaching while also creating opportunities to generate revenue for the campus and its programs.” www.sacbee.com/sports/college/article293047689.html |
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Post by jcljorgenson on Sept 26, 2024 11:57:55 GMT -8
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Post by Cwag on Sept 26, 2024 11:58:46 GMT -8
Texas St is the best non-AAC add at the moment. By far. I agree! They are a program on the rise in a State that loves football! grab them now! |
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Post by jdaztec on Sept 26, 2024 12:00:09 GMT -8
Probably go Texas State first but if thats a no I would take UC Davis over Sac State. UC Davis has very high quality academics and was very successful at the FCS level in football for years.
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Post by Boise Aztec on Sept 26, 2024 12:31:47 GMT -8
The MWC is reportedly offering $100 million to the remaining committed schools. The problem is that money may not exist and may never be available to distribute. The PAC has already filed a lawsuit claiming the poaching fee is illegal and several legal experts have said their case is very strong. It is reasonable to expect that there will also be litigation and negotiations over the exit fees from the departing schools. The MWC can and likely will withhold 2 years of media distributions which may get the league to about $50 million total, but I don't see them getting the remainder without years of litigation. Air Force and UNLV are allegedly supposed to get $25 million each. That would only leave a little over $50 million for the remaining schools to split if all of the money were realized. But if that money never becomes available, how does that impact these schools and what do the schools do if it does not materialize? Do UNLV and Air Force demand their $25 million and give nothing to the remainders? Does the binding agreement desinigrate if the terms are not met? There is an even worse scenario… the MWC 5 file a lawsuit and get an injunction forcing the media distributions… |
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Post by Boise Aztec on Sept 26, 2024 12:34:12 GMT -8
Probably go Texas State first but if thats a no I would take UC Davis over Sac State. UC Davis has very high quality academics and was very successful at the FCS level in football for years. They were… but they don’t have any internal desire to move to FBS and Davis has no donors willing to do what Sac State is contemplating |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Sept 26, 2024 12:36:34 GMT -8
Agree… also assuming UNLV isn’t running a deficit this year I think I read somewhere that UNLV runs a $2 million deficit every year. Read Zeigler's article, it seems to be $5-$6M per annum is the estimate. |
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Post by Gundo on Sept 26, 2024 12:37:02 GMT -8
Ouch, touche' Gloria, outplayed first, now fighting back. Let's see what Phase III brings? BackgroundPAC agreed to pay the Mountain West about $14 million for each school to play six games for 2024 MWC includes and escalator clause for poaching MWC schools PAC can not secure ACC or Big XII invites (nor Big X or SEC) MWC demanded more than double, $30 million for the same amount of games in 2025 (per PAC legal complaint) Phase I & IAPAC Adds: BSU, CSU, SDSU & FSU PAC Attempts to add: Tulane, Memphis, So Florida & UTSA - the stand pat PAC Rumors: Gonzaga MBB End ResultPAC wins first day match, loses on day two, fail to secure AAC & Gonzaga Phase II PAC Invites: USU & UNLV (AFA?) MW Secures: UNLV & AFA with incentives (bribes) PAC Rumors: Gonzaga MBB (continue), UConn FB, Texas State others? End Results:7 teams: PAC 7 teams: MWC $43 million invoice from the MWC to PAC “liquidated damages” 1 lawsuit filed by the PAC for duress $25MM awarded to UNLV & AFA - new flagship MW programs 6 MWC schools sign binding commitment agreements Phase IIIAny guesses? Wrapped up in the court case, decisions will move slowly Both leagues need to add to stay afloat in the FBS PAC: fewer options (FBS, Texas St & UConn?) MWC: many options (FBS/FCS - regional schools) |
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Post by zurac315 on Sept 26, 2024 12:48:29 GMT -8
Ouch, touche' Gloria, outplayed first, now fighting back. Let's see what Phase III brings? BackgroundBoth leagues need to add to stay afloat in the FBS PAC: fewer options (FBS, Texas St & UConn?) MWC: many options (FBS/FCS - regional schools) How does the PAC have fewer options? We need one more school. It can be any school that could also join the MWC. We would just need to deal with the disappointment of a less desirable option. But we would exist as a conference free of the MWC. And it would be a better conference with a brighter outlook than the MW. Not what we might have wanted but still better than the Goats. |
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Post by sleepy on Sept 26, 2024 12:49:22 GMT -8
I get I'm in the minority with this, but... I'm still not a Hawaii guy. Flight time, you'd be in Massachusetts if the plane were heading in the opposite direction.
I'd pick up the phone to Missoula at this point, see if the Grizz are ready to go prime-time -- unless the Pac 12 Powers-that-Be have been holding a secret bank vault back to go make another run at all the non-MWC schools that just turned them down in the last week.
This seems nuts that they would not have "penciled out" a "What happens if damn-near EVERYBODY turns us down at the first-pass?"...
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Post by zurac315 on Sept 26, 2024 12:54:12 GMT -8
I get I'm in the minority with this, but... I'm still not a Hawaii guy. Flight time, you'd be in Massachusetts if the plane were heading in the opposite direction. I'd pick up the phone to Missoula at this point, see if the Grizz are ready to go prime-time -- unless the Pac 12 Powers-that-Be have been holding a secret bank vault back to go make another run at all the non-MWC schools that just turned them down in the last week. This seems nuts that they would not have "penciled out" a "What happens if damn-near EVERYBODY turns us down at the first-pass?"... Good point. Let's sign up UMass. Massachusetts is a beautiful state. Just make sure that we play them in September.  |
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Post by Gundo on Sept 26, 2024 12:56:28 GMT -8
Ouch, touche' Gloria, outplayed first, now fighting back. Let's see what Phase III brings? BackgroundPAC agreed to pay the Mountain West about $14 million for each school to play six games for 2024 MWC includes and escalator clause for poaching MWC schools PAC can not secure ACC or Big XII invites (nor Big X or SEC) MWC demanded more than double, $30 million for the same amount of games in 2025 (per PAC legal complaint) Phase I & IAPAC Adds: BSU, CSU, SDSU & FSU PAC Attempts to add: Tulane, Memphis, So Florida & UTSA - the stand pat PAC Rumors: Gonzaga MBB End ResultPAC wins first day match, loses on day two, fail to secure AAC & Gonzaga Phase II PAC Invites: USU & UNLV (AFA?) MW Secures: UNLV & AFA with incentives (bribes) PAC Rumors: Gonzaga MBB (continue), UConn FB, Texas State others? End Results:7 teams: PAC 7 teams: MWC $43 million invoice from the MWC to PAC “liquidated damages” 1 lawsuit filed by the PAC for duress $25MM awarded to UNLV & AFA - new flagship MW programs 6 MWC schools sign binding commitment agreements Phase IIIAny guesses? Wrapped up in the court case, decisions will move slowly Both leagues need to add to stay afloat in the FBS PAC: fewer options (FBS, Texas St & UConn?) MWC: many options (FBS/FCS - regional schools) Heavy weight fight 1 round apiece. UNLV "taking the fish, but not the pole" |
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Post by namssa on Sept 26, 2024 12:59:41 GMT -8
x.com/Nathan_26_/status/1839324623768572086Get a good TV deal with escalators and make a 2nd run at Memphis and Tulane. They could even come in 2027 instead, reducing their exit fee to $10M which PAC could pay for half.
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Post by namssa on Sept 26, 2024 13:08:09 GMT -8
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Post by laaztec on Sept 26, 2024 13:15:39 GMT -8
That’s what I read from those quotes. Doesn’t sound like the door closed permanently. |
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Post by Cwag on Sept 26, 2024 13:18:16 GMT -8
That’s what I read from those quotes. Doesn’t sound like the door closed permanently. The first offer was to find out what the AAC counteroffer would be. You always start low. Now you come with the big guns! |
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Post by hoobs on Sept 26, 2024 13:20:03 GMT -8
I get I'm in the minority with this, but... I'm still not a Hawaii guy. Flight time, you'd be in Massachusetts if the plane were heading in the opposite direction. I'd pick up the phone to Missoula at this point, see if the Grizz are ready to go prime-time -- unless the Pac 12 Powers-that-Be have been holding a secret bank vault back to go make another run at all the non-MWC schools that just turned them down in the last week. This seems nuts that they would not have "penciled out" a "What happens if damn-near EVERYBODY turns us down at the first-pass?"... I *still* like Hawaii... but... I would also totally be open to Montana if they were ready to make the immediate move up. |
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Post by soccer94 on Sept 26, 2024 13:31:04 GMT -8
Ed Scott was right. That was not a good deal for them and nobody should be surprised they did not take it. Rumor is that there was at least one hold out from Pac "6" at the time of the offer that did not want the non-geo conference. I still think the only shot at making this a conference that competes with the lower end power conferences is grabbing Memphis, South Florida, Tulane and maybe UTSA. Good up and coming programs with decent media markets and more time slots in more time zones. |
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Post by Gundo on Sept 26, 2024 13:32:34 GMT -8
That’s what I read from those quotes. Doesn’t sound like the door closed permanently. Is it worth it to muster up enough $$$ for a second bite of the Apple? |
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Post by Cwag on Sept 26, 2024 13:33:34 GMT -8
That’s what I read from those quotes. Doesn’t sound like the door closed permanently. Is it worth it to muster up enough $$$ for a second bite of the Apple? Absolutlety! |
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