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Post by laaztec on Sept 25, 2024 20:58:49 GMT -8
Can you imagine giving Air Force and UNLV that much money? 25-30 million a piece for those 2? The other MW schools just F’d themselves. Their TV deal is going to be 3 million per team Max. It’s basically the Big Sky conference of FBS.
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Post by 2010aztec on Sept 25, 2024 21:04:27 GMT -8
Texas State offers the same thing that UNLV did, potential. Neither have really done anything to earn a P12 invite. The media deal would be similar with either school as the 8th member. Not exciting but they tick enough boxes. I guess going for the MW teams in bunches instead of all at once didn't work. I understand why they went for it that way though. Probably Texas State. Honestly they are much better then their Sun Belt affiliation would suggest. Desperate times led me to Texas State's wikipedia. The facts: TxSt has similar endowment to SDSU $410M vs. $415M Football stadium capacity 30,000 Basketball arena capacity 10,000 Located smack dab between Austin and San Antonio cheap buyout, good enough potential, another school with state in the name. I'm in |
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Post by laaztec on Sept 25, 2024 22:10:43 GMT -8
The pac 12 is going to have to up the ante for the AAC schools. If the pac 12 wins the lawsuit it should be doable.
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Post by sdsudevil on Sept 25, 2024 22:30:50 GMT -8
When they have to give 50M of the good teams money to the barely .500 "bellcows", right in front of the other 5 teams, I once again am glad to take the risk. UNLV is literally just Vegas. Seeing how many other conferences use it, and how we couldn't keep the LV Bowl, I think they scored for no athletic reason whatsoever. Kudos, and LOL
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Post by sdsudevil on Sept 25, 2024 22:37:32 GMT -8
The pac 12 is going to have to up the ante for the AAC schools. If the pac 12 wins the lawsuit it should be doable. Hawaii is a discount on fees. And more regionally relevant for a conference with Pacific in it. Start with 8 and perhaps AAC teams would be worth it once we start getting numbers from the media negotiations. AAC is gonna lose a little, but Hawaii has to know the MWC/BW dollars will be atrocious and perhaps they can get more exposure with P12. Hawaii seems logical. |
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Post by Den60 on Sept 26, 2024 6:01:59 GMT -8
If the roomers about UNLV athletics budget deficit are true, they need that lump sum badly. How could they say no? They have a $20.5M deficit, not debt. Deficit is ongoing unless they make cuts. |
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Post by Den60 on Sept 26, 2024 6:04:54 GMT -8
Can you imagine giving Air Force and UNLV that much money? 25-30 million a piece for those 2? The other MW schools just F’d themselves. Their TV deal is going to be 3 million per team Max. It’s basically the Big Sky conference of FBS. I'm thinking more like $2M. |
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Post by standiego on Sept 26, 2024 8:10:02 GMT -8
so would UNLV use the money as NIL money for recruits ?
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Post by laaztec on Sept 26, 2024 8:12:40 GMT -8
so would UNLV use the money as NIL money for recruits ? No. They are going to pay off 20 million dollars in debt. They will have 10 million left over to cover the shortfall between the MW tv deal and what they could have made from the PAC 12 tv deal. Long term they are going to lose money. |
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Post by fowl on Sept 26, 2024 8:13:07 GMT -8
Can you imagine giving Air Force and UNLV that much money? 25-30 million a piece for those 2? The other MW schools just F’d themselves. Their TV deal is going to be 3 million per team Max. It’s basically the Big Sky conference of FBS. I'm thinking more like $2M. CUSA just signed a deal a year ago for $800k/team annually. I don't see the MWC getting any more than $2mm max. The only school remaining that has any value above what the CUSA provides is AFA and they aren't going to be worth the $10mm/yr it would take to raise the conference payout to $2mm/school. |
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Post by 01aztecgrad on Sept 26, 2024 8:15:47 GMT -8
With UNLV getting a huge payoff to stay in the MWC, I'd almost prefer to offer Nevada and hope they develop into the top school in the state.
All the options are bad at this point, so might as well hurt UNLV and keep the conference compact. I don't see any of the Texas schools that would be willing to leave as all that desirable but if they're the only options then so be it. Just get to 8, get a TV deal, and see what the landscape is like in 2031.
I could see ESPN, CBS, and Fox trying to box out the Pac-12 from getting the last team by paying off the top teams in the rest of the G5 and telling them the money isn't there from the PAC, so the 8th team might be way down the desirability list unless the PAC is willing to make a guaranteed payout regardless of what the TV deal ends up being.
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Post by samurai on Sept 26, 2024 8:24:08 GMT -8
All 7 remaining MWC schools are signing a GOR. Its the condition for getting their one time payoff. No MWC schools are available to switch conferences going forward.
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Post by fowl on Sept 26, 2024 8:24:22 GMT -8
The $50M is oddly the same as withholding $5M per annum for the 5 departing schools for two years. They will get paid, they will be paid from the fees being withheld. It’s a a shortsighted move by the MW. They have no cash on hand to help replacements. This will exclude FCS call ups. They will now need to convince UTEP and NMSU to join their ranks and hope the reduced travel is enticing enough for them to jump. They have played a lot of their cards. By my calculation the exit fees will be based on $5.6mm/school annually. That totals $56mm that can be withheld for the final two years as I don't see the money available for payouts to increase this year or next and I've already factored into that number increased tourney credits and cfb playoff money. Best of luck to the MW on getting the third year payout. Assuming the poaching case is 50/50, the ev there is $27.5mm. That's a grand total of $83.5mm. If AFA and UNLV take $30mm each that leaves $23.5mm for the remaining five schools or $4.7mm each. In exchange, those five see their annual conference distributions decline to $4.0mm best case scenario from $5.6mm. |
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Post by poster17 on Sept 26, 2024 8:40:03 GMT -8
UNLV and AF did the best thing they could have done. Get a big payday with the remaining MWC teams locked into the conference. If the MWC does not come up with the promised 25-30 signing bonus, they can leave the MWC. The decision on the MWC / PAC exit fee debacle will be settled in the next month. At worst UNLV stays in the MWC with 25-30 million extra dollars. At best, the money doesn't come through. Both can leave the MWC with no exit fees. Seems like agreeing to this was a smart move on both schools part.
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Post by AzTuba85 on Sept 26, 2024 8:55:27 GMT -8
If you are the AD at Nevada, Wy, SJSU or NM right now, how do you sell this to your fanbase. AFA and UNLV get a windfall of monies for what? Better to save face and dissolve the conference in 26. And we thought the sweatheart deal for BoiseSt was bad... CUSA looking better by the minute for these guys.
MWC and GloriaN, you are on the clock.
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Post by jcljorgenson on Sept 26, 2024 9:05:28 GMT -8
Can't help but wonder if the other MWC members may be a little pissed about the latest developments and may be interested in bailing the MWC to a lesser conference. Did the other MWC schools have any say in the offer? Did they all approve it? Seems like this could get really ugly.
UNLV and Air Force could be the next OSU/WSU, but with a lot less pull.
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Post by Boise Aztec on Sept 26, 2024 9:26:45 GMT -8
so would UNLV use the money as NIL money for recruits ? No. They are going to pay off 20 million dollars in debt. They will have 10 million left over to cover the shortfall between the MW tv deal and what they could have made from the PAC 12 tv deal. Long term they are going to lose money. Agree… also assuming UNLV isn’t running a deficit this year |
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Post by Boise Aztec on Sept 26, 2024 9:28:50 GMT -8
UNLV and AF did the best thing they could have done. Get a big payday with the remaining MWC teams locked into the conference. If the MWC does not come up with the promised 25-30 signing bonus, they can leave the MWC. The decision on the MWC / PAC exit fee debacle will be settled in the next month. At worst UNLV stays in the MWC with 25-30 million extra dollars. At best, the money doesn't come through. Both can leave the MWC with no exit fees. Seems like agreeing to this was a smart move on both schools part. Maybe… the most important thing is positioning yourself for 2029/2030/2031 Being in the best football and basketball conference over the next few years with the ability to get into the CFP is way more important than $20m or so this year… |
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Post by laaztec on Sept 26, 2024 9:37:30 GMT -8
No. They are going to pay off 20 million dollars in debt. They will have 10 million left over to cover the shortfall between the MW tv deal and what they could have made from the PAC 12 tv deal. Long term they are going to lose money. Agree… also assuming UNLV isn’t running a deficit this year I think I read somewhere that UNLV runs a $2 million deficit every year. |
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Post by sdsu2000 on Sept 26, 2024 9:47:07 GMT -8
Don’t look now, Sac State just announced they are building a new 25,000 seat stadium and using the architect Populous. I know everyone says no way but they are located in the top 20 media markets in the nation and have plans to build a new basketball arena as well.
They will easily surpass SJSU in the athletic front in the next 5 years. I’d much rather take a young program looking to grow than someone who’s done nothing for decades.
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