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Post by Den60 on Sept 27, 2024 19:58:32 GMT -8
The MWC members signed a MOU, not a GOR. The deal is contingent on the MWC's ability to squeeze money out of the PAC. Sorry. $50M ain't going to go far, and I doubt they do better than that. Thus far the OWSU owes the MW $55 mil in poaching fees. Exit fees for the five Schools could be as much as $19 mil per. The MW will get 12.5 mil of that in withheld MW distributions for a total of $62.5 mil guaranteed. Despite AFA and UNLV getting the biggest chunk, the rest of the MW should be a-okay for a decade. Texas and Oklahoma didn't have their distributions withheld when they were still in the B12 despite having the same clause in their bylaws that the MWC has. As one of their members said after being briefed by their lawyers, their bylaws weren't as "rock solid" as they were led to believe. The departing MWC schools will file suit against the MWC saying that their exit fees are punitive and, well, they are. At the very least, should the funds be withheld, they would be put in an escrow account until the case was settled, and the way Nevarez is throwing money around, the departing schools should have no problem convincing the judge that if the MWC were given the money before a decision, that money would have already been spent once a decision was made making it extremely difficult to reclaim. By the way, much of the PAC's assets are being held in escrow pending the conference being rebuilt. Do you really think the MWC is going to get $29-30M per school? Texas and Oklahoma left the B12 early for less the $50M and no school involved is anywhere close to the value of those two schools. I will be surprised if it exceeds $10M for a total of $50M. Another thing. UNLV is supposed to get more than double what we ever got and they will also be able to leave the conference for a P4 conference without penalty. They are now one of the two "linchpins" of the conference now (yeah, wrote that with a straight face) so the MWC may have to explain that in court as well. Finally, we know when UNLV and AFA signed the first MOU they were offered a $10M bonus. Not sure what USU was offered. The new MWC revenue sharing has UNLV and AFA at $24.5%, SJSU, Wyo, UNR and UNM at 11.5% and Hawaii at 5%. They have just said that the schools are not equal in value so why should they be treated that way when it comes to "exit penalties" or "poaching fees?" You think that isn't going to come up come court time? I sure hope the departing MWC members use the same law firm as the PAC. I assume they will giving some overlap in their cases. Id argue that UNLV and AFA are worth $10M each, the next four at $4.7M and Hawaii at $2M for a total of $40.8M in total fees due from the PAC and departing members. |
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Post by LostAztec on Sept 27, 2024 20:30:23 GMT -8
When I suggested in March 2024 about adding Grand Canyon, I received several opposition comments based on Grand Canyon being Christian aka religious school. Gonzaga has the same issue being a Jesuit school. So what is it, playing in a conference with religious schools or not? One can't oppose adding Grand Canyon and wanting Gonzaga as a conference member. The idea that membership in an Athletic Conference is predicated on Religious persuasion or Academics is ludicrous in this day and age. If a School adds value to a Conference, they add value and should be invited. If they don't, then don't . Back in 2012 it was decided that SJSU and USU added value to the MW not in that they increased Media value but that the Conference could hit a number and allow it to have a CCG. The MW and their Media partners saw value in adding those Schools. BYU being left out of the Pac hurt the Pacs value and long term sustainability. If a religious or Private School, or diploma mill adds value. They should be looked at. This is about Athletics and money. |
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Post by sdsuball on Sept 27, 2024 20:55:31 GMT -8
When I suggested in March 2024 about adding Grand Canyon, I received several opposition comments based on Grand Canyon being Christian aka religious school. Gonzaga has the same issue being a Jesuit school. So what is it, playing in a conference with religious schools or not? One can't oppose adding Grand Canyon and wanting Gonzaga as a conference member. The idea that membership in an Athletic Conference is predicated on Religious persuasion or Academics is ludicrous in this day and age. If a School adds value to a Conference, they add value and should be invited. If they don't, then don't . Back in 2012 it was decided that SJSU and USU added value to the MW not in that they increased Media value but that the Conference could hit a number and allow it to have a CCG. The MW and their Media partners saw value in adding those Schools. BYU being left out of the Pac hurt the Pacs value and long term sustainability. If a religious or Private School, or diploma mill adds value. They should be looked at. This is about Athletics and money. I strongly disagree, it's about the entire package: Sports, Money, Geography, Academics, Cultural Fit. Gonzaga ticks more boxes then Grand Canyon does. |
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Post by Den60 on Sept 28, 2024 11:33:13 GMT -8
When I suggested in March 2024 about adding Grand Canyon, I received several opposition comments based on Grand Canyon being Christian aka religious school. Gonzaga has the same issue being a Jesuit school. So what is it, playing in a conference with religious schools or not? One can't oppose adding Grand Canyon and wanting Gonzaga as a conference member. The idea that membership in an Athletic Conference is predicated on Religious persuasion or Academics is ludicrous in this day and age. If a School adds value to a Conference, they add value and should be invited. If they don't, then don't . Back in 2012 it was decided that SJSU and USU added value to the MW not in that they increased Media value but that the Conference could hit a number and allow it to have a CCG. The MW and their Media partners saw value in adding those Schools. BYU being left out of the Pac hurt the Pacs value and long term sustainability. If a religious or Private School, or diploma mill adds value. They should be looked at. This is about Athletics and money. \ The fact that BYU wouldn't play on Sundays was an issue as well. |
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Post by chris92065 on Sept 28, 2024 12:26:12 GMT -8
The idea that membership in an Athletic Conference is predicated on Religious persuasion or Academics is ludicrous in this day and age. If a School adds value to a Conference, they add value and should be invited. If they don't, then don't . Back in 2012 it was decided that SJSU and USU added value to the MW not in that they increased Media value but that the Conference could hit a number and allow it to have a CCG. The MW and their Media partners saw value in adding those Schools. BYU being left out of the Pac hurt the Pacs value and long term sustainability. If a religious or Private School, or diploma mill adds value. They should be looked at. This is about Athletics and money. \ The fact that BYU wouldn't play on Sundays was an issue as well. And there it is. Its the only reason why they were denied. |
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Post by aztecdan8 on Sept 28, 2024 13:33:22 GMT -8
UNLV is working behind the scenes to increase the amount they receive from the MW to stay. You need to pivot from them now and go after SJSU. AF and UNLV have no interest in leaving so go grab a program that would have interest. They don’t want to be conference mates with Sacramento State. Not the most ideal addition but just get to 8 and make the MW-6 go expand with lesser tier programs so their TV value drops even more. If you're going to bring in SJSU one requirement... move the camera to the other side so we don't have to look at that office building by Ikea during TV broadcasts!!! Mind boggling |
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Post by Den60 on Sept 28, 2024 13:34:33 GMT -8
\ The fact that BYU wouldn't play on Sundays was an issue as well. And there it is. Its the only reason why they were denied. I didn't say that. |
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Post by aztecdan8 on Sept 28, 2024 13:36:26 GMT -8
And yet they still play in a 3,500 seat gym, second smallest in the WCC after Pepperdine. They have been pushed to build a bigger arena and they haven't. And Gonzaga was the biggest "pusher" involved. And USF has a brand new practice facility for basketball. USF might have been important 60+ years ago (and I'll allow for Bill Cartwright in the 80s as well)... but when was the last time they were relevant at all? If you want to add USF... why not just add New Mexico or Nevada, both of whom are far superior basketball schools. EDIT: I lived in the Bay Area for 35+ years... USF was a complete afterthought about on par with SJSU. You bailed from the Bay Area too? When and where'd you move? |
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Post by aztecdan8 on Sept 28, 2024 13:39:21 GMT -8
When I suggested in March 2024 about adding Grand Canyon, I received several opposition comments based on Grand Canyon being Christian aka religious school. Gonzaga has the same issue being a Jesuit school. So what is it, playing in a conference with religious schools or not? One can't oppose adding Grand Canyon and wanting Gonzaga as a conference member. Grand Canyon is a scam college. A fraud. That's why people don't want them in the conference. You clearly have bias against GCU. You always post smack against them. They are not a "scam" school. 🙄 |
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Post by aztecdan8 on Sept 28, 2024 13:42:46 GMT -8
When I suggested in March 2024 about adding Grand Canyon, I received several opposition comments based on Grand Canyon being Christian aka religious school. Gonzaga has the same issue being a Jesuit school. So what is it, playing in a conference with religious schools or not? One can't oppose adding Grand Canyon and wanting Gonzaga as a conference member. Gonzaga is ranked #98th in the country academically, Grand Canyon is so low it doesn't even have a number, just a range of 392-434. Just like Boise!! |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Sept 28, 2024 14:22:57 GMT -8
Grand Canyon is a scam college. A fraud. That's why people don't want them in the conference. You clearly have bias against GCU. You always post smack against them. They are not a "scam" school. 🙄 Fair enough. They're not truly a, "Scam," college (that would be a school like the now defunct Trump University) - but they're not totally legit. We've both read some questionable stuff about that school, and they do not have a good reputation for academics. So, yes, I am guilty of using hyperbole to make a point. The point still stands - SDSU does not want a school like that in our conference for good reason. |
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Post by samurai on Sept 28, 2024 15:19:39 GMT -8
When I suggested in March 2024 about adding Grand Canyon, I received several opposition comments based on Grand Canyon being Christian aka religious school. Gonzaga has the same issue being a Jesuit school. So what is it, playing in a conference with religious schools or not? One can't oppose adding Grand Canyon and wanting Gonzaga as a conference member. The idea that membership in an Athletic Conference is predicated on Religious persuasion or Academics is ludicrous in this day and age. If a School adds value to a Conference, they add value and should be invited. If they don't, then don't . Back in 2012 it was decided that SJSU and USU added value to the MW not in that they increased Media value but that the Conference could hit a number and allow it to have a CCG. The MW and their Media partners saw value in adding those Schools.BYU being left out of the Pac hurt the Pacs value and long term sustainability. If a religious or Private School, or diploma mill adds value. They should be looked at. This is about Athletics and money. Utah State & San Jose State were added to be the 9th and 10th members of the MWC after Boise & SDSU gave their notice to leave. Having a 12 team conference with a championship game became a bonus for them when they convinced Boise to come back. |
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Post by aztecfred on Sept 28, 2024 15:41:48 GMT -8
The idea that membership in an Athletic Conference is predicated on Religious persuasion or Academics is ludicrous in this day and age. If a School adds value to a Conference, they add value and should be invited. If they don't, then don't . Back in 2012 it was decided that SJSU and USU added value to the MW not in that they increased Media value but that the Conference could hit a number and allow it to have a CCG. The MW and their Media partners saw value in adding those Schools. BYU being left out of the Pac hurt the Pacs value and long term sustainability. If a religious or Private School, or diploma mill adds value. They should be looked at. This is about Athletics and money. \ Sorry, it's about money!!!! The fact that BYU wouldn't play on Sundays was an issue as well. |
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Post by sdsudevil on Sept 28, 2024 15:43:07 GMT -8
If I were the P12 Commissioner...
I would give us back.
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Post by RiffelBooks on Sept 28, 2024 16:08:31 GMT -8
If I were the P12 Commissioner... I would give us back. If I were the Pac-12 commissioner, I'd be throwing up after checking the SDSU and Fresno scores.  |
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Post by mySTRAS on Sept 28, 2024 20:11:51 GMT -8
USF might have been important 60+ years ago (and I'll allow for Bill Cartwright in the 80s as well)... but when was the last time they were relevant at all? If you want to add USF... why not just add New Mexico or Nevada, both of whom are far superior basketball schools. EDIT: I lived in the Bay Area for 35+ years... USF was a complete afterthought about on par with SJSU. You bailed from the Bay Area too? When and where'd you move? Almost 3 years to the day, my wife and I moved to Las Vegas. We love it here! Sold a crappy house in Newark and bought a significantly nicer house here... and pocketed $500k in the process. Got tired of all the taxes and congestion. To be fair, I never enjoyed living in CA (outside of the 3 years I went to State) as I grew up in rural Michigan. IIRC, you're up in the Sacramento area now? |
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Post by LostAztec on Sept 29, 2024 16:46:25 GMT -8
The idea that membership in an Athletic Conference is predicated on Religious persuasion or Academics is ludicrous in this day and age. If a School adds value to a Conference, they add value and should be invited. If they don't, then don't . Back in 2012 it was decided that SJSU and USU added value to the MW not in that they increased Media value but that the Conference could hit a number and allow it to have a CCG. The MW and their Media partners saw value in adding those Schools. BYU being left out of the Pac hurt the Pacs value and long term sustainability. If a religious or Private School, or diploma mill adds value. They should be looked at. This is about Athletics and money. I strongly disagree, it's about the entire package: Sports, Money, Geography, Academics, Cultural Fit. Gonzaga ticks more boxes then Grand Canyon does. Of course Gonzaga adds more value. They have been successful for 2+ decades. GCU is a newcomer. But, it doesn't mean they won't add value. Even if it's to reach a number for basketball scheduling. |
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Post by Den60 on Sept 30, 2024 8:54:43 GMT -8
I strongly disagree, it's about the entire package: Sports, Money, Geography, Academics, Cultural Fit. Gonzaga ticks more boxes then Grand Canyon does. Of course Gonzaga adds more value. They have been successful for 2+ decades. GCU is a newcomer. But, it doesn't mean they won't add value. Even if it's to reach a number for basketball scheduling. At 9 schools with Gonzaga as 9th we'd have a 16 game conference schedule which is plenty. Gonzaga adds a "wow" factor that GCU doesn't. And I don't trust GCU to run an honest program if you really get down to it. |
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Post by Cwag on Sept 30, 2024 8:58:29 GMT -8
Of course Gonzaga adds more value. They have been successful for 2+ decades. GCU is a newcomer. But, it doesn't mean they won't add value. Even if it's to reach a number for basketball scheduling. At 9 schools with Gonzaga as 9th we'd have a 16 game conference schedule which is plenty. Gonzaga adds a "wow" factor that GCU doesn't. And I don't trust GCU to run an honest program if you really get down to it. Gonzaga should be added after we get to 9 full sport members. That gives us an 18-game conference schedule for basketball which works great, and each school plays the others in football every year. |
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Post by Den60 on Sept 30, 2024 9:14:58 GMT -8
At 9 schools with Gonzaga as 9th we'd have a 16 game conference schedule which is plenty. Gonzaga adds a "wow" factor that GCU doesn't. And I don't trust GCU to run an honest program if you really get down to it. Gonzaga should be added after we get to 9 full sport members. That gives us an 18-game conference schedule for basketball which works great, and each school plays the others in football every year. Right now, the minimum required would be 8 full members and, if the pickings are slim, and he was great in Dr. Strangelove, then just add one full member now with Gonzaga. But, a 9 game conference FB schedule would be the limit for me for exactly the reason you give. I like conferences where you play each member each year. Builds rivalries. |
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