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Post by fowl on Sept 26, 2024 20:26:29 GMT -8
Grab Creighton as well, two non-FB members, one East and one West. No way. No bball school on the planet brings as much value as a decent football school. Basketball accounts for less than 1/4 of the media rights deal at the maximum and that's being generous - even including tourney credits - it's a pittance compared to football. Thankfully those in charge understand this and we won't go dumpster diving into the WCC or other non-football conference. |
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Post by Den60 on Sept 26, 2024 20:31:11 GMT -8
Grab Creighton as well, two non-FB members, one East and one West. No way. No bball school on the planet brings as much value as a decent football school. Basketball accounts for less than 1/4 of the media rights deal at the maximum and that's being generous - even including tourney credits - it's a pittance compared to football. Thankfully those in charge understand this and we won't go dumpster diving into the WCC or other non-football conference. So, you're a no for Gonzaga then? And UConn's football sucks, so no to them as well? Maybe we should cut our BB program way back so we can give that money to the football program then since BB is so unimportant. |
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Post by fowl on Sept 26, 2024 21:09:06 GMT -8
No way. No bball school on the planet brings as much value as a decent football school. Basketball accounts for less than 1/4 of the media rights deal at the maximum and that's being generous - even including tourney credits - it's a pittance compared to football. Thankfully those in charge understand this and we won't go dumpster diving into the WCC or other non-football conference. So, you're a no for Gonzaga then? And UConn's football sucks, so no to them as well? Maybe we should cut our BB program way back so we can give that money to the football program then since BB is so unimportant. Gonzaga isn't worth a full share - at all. You can include tourney shares, etc (those aren't hardly worth anything anyway) and they still won't be worth a full share. UCONN will NEVER agree to become a full member of the pac. Put yourself in their position. Why go to the pac?? To fly all the way across the country for every game in every sport so that we can gain ~$2mm in revenue that will be lost due to travel. Particularly when UCONN owns the BE and can dictate terms. I've got a close relative who is a P4 FBS AD and texted me "LOLOLOLOLOLOL" at UCONN going to the Pac. Dude use critical thinking skills. Hey man I don't make the rules. But the rules are Basketball has almost zero consequence in the grand scheme. That's not from me, but rather the free market who won't pay much of anything for basketball. |
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Post by Cwag on Sept 26, 2024 21:19:03 GMT -8
So, you're a no for Gonzaga then? And UConn's football sucks, so no to them as well? Maybe we should cut our BB program way back so we can give that money to the football program then since BB is so unimportant. Gonzaga isn't worth a full share - at all. You can include tourney shares, etc (those aren't hardly worth anything anyway) and they still won't be worth a full share. UCONN will NEVER agree to become a full member of the pac. Put yourself in their position. Why go to the pac?? To fly all the way across the country for every game in every sport so that we can gain ~$2mm in revenue that will be lost due to travel. Particularly when UCONN owns the BE and can dictate terms. I've got a close relative who is a P4 FBS AD and texted me "LOLOLOLOLOLOL" at UCONN going to the Pac. Dude use critical thinking skills. Hey man I don't make the rules. But the rules are Basketball has almost zero consequence in the grand scheme. That's not from me, but rather the free market who won't pay much of anything for basketball. Right and Cal and Stanford will never join the ACC! |
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Post by aztecnails on Sept 26, 2024 21:46:30 GMT -8
When I suggested in March 2024 about adding Grand Canyon, I received several opposition comments based on Grand Canyon being Christian aka religious school. Gonzaga has the same issue being a Jesuit school. So what is it, playing in a conference with religious schools or not? One can't oppose adding Grand Canyon and wanting Gonzaga as a conference member.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Sept 26, 2024 21:48:04 GMT -8
When I suggested in March 2024 about adding Grand Canyon, I received several opposition comments based on Grand Canyon being Christian aka religious school. Gonzaga has the same issue being a Jesuit school. So what is it, playing in a conference with religious schools or not? One can't oppose adding Grand Canyon and wanting Gonzaga as a conference member. Grand Canyon is a scam college. A fraud. That's why people don't want them in the conference. |
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Post by sdsuball on Sept 26, 2024 21:55:46 GMT -8
When I suggested in March 2024 about adding Grand Canyon, I received several opposition comments based on Grand Canyon being Christian aka religious school. Gonzaga has the same issue being a Jesuit school. So what is it, playing in a conference with religious schools or not? One can't oppose adding Grand Canyon and wanting Gonzaga as a conference member. Gonzaga is ranked #98th in the country academically, Grand Canyon is so low it doesn't even have a number, just a range of 392-434. |
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Post by 01aztecgrad on Sept 27, 2024 7:42:32 GMT -8
Grab Creighton as well, two non-FB members, one East and one West. No way. No bball school on the planet brings as much value as a decent football school. Basketball accounts for less than 1/4 of the media rights deal at the maximum and that's being generous - even including tourney credits - it's a pittance compared to football. Thankfully those in charge understand this and we won't go dumpster diving into the WCC or other non-football conference. This is true if you don't consider anybody outside of the top 40 teams a decent football school, but it's just factually incorrect if looking at the value of G5 level schools compared to high level basketball schools. As of their most recent non-profit tax filings (through June 2023), the Big East under their old contract were earning $4.5m per school in tv rights ($50m for 11 schools). The AAC, by far the top earning G5 football conference and under their new contract were earning $5.5m per school in tv rights ($67m for 12 schools). That revenue per school for the AAC will decrease since they're now at 14 teams. The Big East also just signed a new 6-year deal with NBC, Fox, and TNT starting with the 2025/2026 season. The exact dollars haven't been announced, but John Ourand puts it at an average of $80m per year, so over $7m per school. Maybe the PAC gets more, but you're way off on your assumption about the value of basketball among the PAC, AAC, MWC level. Link |
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Post by Boise Aztec on Sept 27, 2024 8:00:47 GMT -8
So, you're a no for Gonzaga then? And UConn's football sucks, so no to them as well? Maybe we should cut our BB program way back so we can give that money to the football program then since BB is so unimportant. Gonzaga isn't worth a full share - at all. You can include tourney shares, etc (those aren't hardly worth anything anyway) and they still won't be worth a full share. UCONN will NEVER agree to become a full member of the pac. Put yourself in their position. Why go to the pac?? To fly all the way across the country for every game in every sport so that we can gain ~$2mm in revenue that will be lost due to travel. Particularly when UCONN owns the BE and can dictate terms. I've got a close relative who is a P4 FBS AD and texted me "LOLOLOLOLOLOL" at UCONN going to the Pac. Dude use critical thinking skills. Hey man I don't make the rules. But the rules are Basketball has almost zero consequence in the grand scheme. That's not from me, but rather the free market who won't pay much of anything for basketball. Multiple sources have pegged Gonzaga’s media value at $15m annually… UCONN is about 50% higher than the average Big East school, so their basketball media alone is worth ~$12m, even though they are getting $7m annually… right now UCONN’s football is worth basically nothing… and there is no way for them to improve their position unless they join one of the P4s or the P7… |
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Post by bschmurda on Sept 27, 2024 8:02:18 GMT -8
Add Texas State to get to 8 -- Then you have bait either UTSA, Memphis, or Tulane with an offer they cant refuse. First to jump gets $15M to cover fees next one gets $5M. And the last one gets stuck in the AAC for the foreseeable future. It's game theory at this point. You're only as strong as your weakest link, same thing Big12 did with Colorado and same thing Pac12 did with Utah State.
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Post by Boise Aztec on Sept 27, 2024 8:14:10 GMT -8
Add Texas State to get to 8 -- Then you have bait either UTSA, Memphis, or Tulane with an offer they cant refuse. First to jump gets $15M to cover fees next one gets $5M. And the last one gets stuck in the AAC for the foreseeable future. It's game theory at this point. You're only as strong as your weakest link, same thing Big12 did with Colorado and same thing Pac12 did with Utah State. This… it doesn’t matter who the 8th team is… Go back to Tulane and Memphis… you can come in 2027 which reduces your fees to $10m, offer to pay those fees and guarantee them a payout equal to what they would have for in the AAC or the actual in P12 payout whichever is higher… done… |
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Post by AzTex on Sept 27, 2024 8:30:16 GMT -8
Add Texas State to get to 8 -- Then you have bait either UTSA, Memphis, or Tulane with an offer they cant refuse. First to jump gets $15M to cover fees next one gets $5M. And the last one gets stuck in the AAC for the foreseeable future. It's game theory at this point. You're only as strong as your weakest link, same thing Big12 did with Colorado and same thing Pac12 did with Utah State. This… it doesn’t matter who the 8th team is… Go back to Tulane and Memphis… you can come in 2027 which reduces your fees to $10m, offer to pay those fees and guarantee them a payout equal to what they would have for in the AAC or the actual in P12 payout whichever is higher… done… It matters who the 8th team is. Unless the alternative is no 8th team at all. The best 8th team choice > any 8th team we can get >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no 8th team. |
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Post by AzTuba85 on Sept 27, 2024 8:34:15 GMT -8
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Post by AzTex on Sept 27, 2024 8:48:49 GMT -8
Add Texas State to get to 8 -- Then you have bait either UTSA, Memphis, or Tulane with an offer they cant refuse. First to jump gets $15M to cover fees next one gets $5M. And the last one gets stuck in the AAC for the foreseeable future. It's game theory at this point. You're only as strong as your weakest link, same thing Big12 did with Colorado and same thing Pac12 did with Utah State. This… it doesn’t matter who the 8th team is… Go back to Tulane and Memphis… you can come in 2027 which reduces your fees to $10m, offer to pay those fees and guarantee them a payout equal to what they would have for in the AAC or the actual in P12 payout whichever is higher… done… Let me add to my earlier reply to this post. It doesn't matter who the 8th team is any many ways since no matter who we add the new PAC 12 will be a better conference, top to bottom, than what the new MW is or what the old MW was. The new PAC should be worth more per school in media money as well. |
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Post by Den60 on Sept 27, 2024 8:54:51 GMT -8
When I suggested in March 2024 about adding Grand Canyon, I received several opposition comments based on Grand Canyon being Christian aka religious school. Gonzaga has the same issue being a Jesuit school. So what is it, playing in a conference with religious schools or not? One can't oppose adding Grand Canyon and wanting Gonzaga as a conference member. For me it is not that GCU is a "Christian School," it is because they have been a "for profit" school trying to buy a BB program to make them look like a real university. |
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Post by Den60 on Sept 27, 2024 8:58:26 GMT -8
So, you're a no for Gonzaga then? And UConn's football sucks, so no to them as well? Maybe we should cut our BB program way back so we can give that money to the football program then since BB is so unimportant. Gonzaga isn't worth a full share - at all. You can include tourney shares, etc (those aren't hardly worth anything anyway) and they still won't be worth a full share. UCONN will NEVER agree to become a full member of the pac. Put yourself in their position. Why go to the pac?? To fly all the way across the country for every game in every sport so that we can gain ~$2mm in revenue that will be lost due to travel. Particularly when UCONN owns the BE and can dictate terms. I've got a close relative who is a P4 FBS AD and texted me "LOLOLOLOLOLOL" at UCONN going to the Pac. Dude use critical thinking skills. Hey man I don't make the rules. But the rules are Basketball has almost zero consequence in the grand scheme. That's not from me, but rather the free market who won't pay much of anything for basketball. I don't want the PAC to disappear after FB season and Gonzaga, despite SDSU's growth into one of the West's top 4, is still the biggest name BB program in the West over the last 12-14 years. Adding them makes a big splash in the PR department, and pays for itself easily. Only Gonzaga would I consider for a full share, not other non-football schoosl. Give me Gonzaga, or give me death! |
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Post by Den60 on Sept 27, 2024 9:05:02 GMT -8
Gonzaga isn't worth a full share - at all. You can include tourney shares, etc (those aren't hardly worth anything anyway) and they still won't be worth a full share. UCONN will NEVER agree to become a full member of the pac. Put yourself in their position. Why go to the pac?? To fly all the way across the country for every game in every sport so that we can gain ~$2mm in revenue that will be lost due to travel. Particularly when UCONN owns the BE and can dictate terms. I've got a close relative who is a P4 FBS AD and texted me "LOLOLOLOLOLOL" at UCONN going to the Pac. Dude use critical thinking skills. Hey man I don't make the rules. But the rules are Basketball has almost zero consequence in the grand scheme. That's not from me, but rather the free market who won't pay much of anything for basketball. I don't want the PAC to disappear after FB season and Gonzaga, despite SDSU's growth into one of the West's top 4, is still the biggest name BB program in the West over the last 12-14 years. Adding them makes a big splash in the PR department, and pays for itself easily. Only Gonzaga would I consider for a full share, not other non-football schools. Also, Gonzaga bring baseball and soccer, both which we need. Give me Gonzaga, or give me death! |
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Post by LostAztec on Sept 27, 2024 19:38:09 GMT -8
the door has closed on MWC. Nevarez got the remaining 7 schools to allow grant of rights through 2022. so hawaii and rest of MWC teams are off the board. Air force and UNLV will the the vast majority of money teams pay MWC to leave. The MWC members signed a MOU, not a GOR. The deal is contingent on the MWC's ability to squeeze money out of the PAC. Sorry. $50M ain't going to go far, and I doubt they do better than that. Thus far the OWSU owes the MW $55 mil in poaching fees. Exit fees for the five Schools could be as much as $19 mil per. The MW will get 12.5 mil of that in withheld MW distributions for a total of $62.5 mil guaranteed. Despite AFA and UNLV getting the biggest chunk, the rest of the MW should be a-okay for a decade. |
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Post by LostAztec on Sept 27, 2024 19:45:40 GMT -8
Grab Creighton as well, two non-FB members, one East and one West. No way. No bball school on the planet brings as much value as a decent football school. Basketball accounts for less than 1/4 of the media rights deal at the maximum and that's being generous - even including tourney credits - it's a pittance compared to football. Thankfully those in charge understand this and we won't go dumpster diving into the WCC or other non-football conference. That is incorrect. One NCAAT credits is worth just shy of $2 mil. The highest paying MW Bowl pays $2.1 mil. The Aztecs have earned 8 basketball credits the last two years. So, Basketball does pay well and has fewer Athletes, Coaches, and Staff to fund. Basketball is an under realized Revenue Stream with more bang for the buck than FB. |
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Post by LostAztec on Sept 27, 2024 19:51:32 GMT -8
So, you're a no for Gonzaga then? And UConn's football sucks, so no to them as well? Maybe we should cut our BB program way back so we can give that money to the football program then since BB is so unimportant. Gonzaga isn't worth a full share - at all. You can include tourney shares, etc (those aren't hardly worth anything anyway) and they still won't be worth a full share. UCONN will NEVER agree to become a full member of the pac. Put yourself in their position. Why go to the pac?? To fly all the way across the country for every game in every sport so that we can gain ~$2mm in revenue that will be lost due to travel. Particularly when UCONN owns the BE and can dictate terms. I've got a close relative who is a P4 FBS AD and texted me "LOLOLOLOLOLOL" at UCONN going to the Pac. Dude use critical thinking skills. Hey man I don't make the rules. But the rules are Basketball has almost zero consequence in the grand scheme. That's not from me, but rather the free market who won't pay much of anything for basketball. I would offer UCon for FB only. Their FB program is desperate for a home. Offer them a full share on the condition they give the Pac four to six basketball games against the top pre season NET Schools. That's a win-win for all sides. UConn FB gets a home. They get some decent OOC games, the Pac gets a serious NET builder on their resumes. Their Football program isn't going to find a better situation or paycheck. |
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