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Post by matteosandiego on Sept 23, 2024 15:49:06 GMT -8
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Sept 23, 2024 15:53:01 GMT -8
"I would rather die on my feet than live on my knees." That is the PAC12 credo.
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Post by laaztec on Sept 23, 2024 16:07:43 GMT -8
It’s has been less than ideal but it’s still addition by subtraction.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Sept 23, 2024 16:27:06 GMT -8
It’s has been less than ideal but it’s still addition by subtraction. Exactly! No New Mexico. No Wyoming. No Nevada (we think). The bottom feeders will be gone. |
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Post by Den60 on Sept 23, 2024 16:33:17 GMT -8
PAC went to get the best schools out there and Memphis, Tulane, USF and, likely, UTSA got financial incentives to stay. Now the PAC is going back to the MWC to fill out its conference, which will likely stay at 8 FB members. If UNLV stays in the MWC, Nevarez can claim a small victory but remember the score, she lost SDSU, Boise, Fresno, CSU, and now USU. I think UNLV is holding out for the best deal they can get from the PAC. But, Gloria did "save" AFA from leaving despite not being a target of the PAC and, with the AAC staying intact, likely had no where to go anyway. Keeping AFA reportedly is costing the MWC $10M.
If we can bring in Gonzaga we are still way better off in the PAC than the MWC. If the PAC doesn't have a firm deal in place, the MWC surely doesn't and I don't think she wants to explore that because that conference is going to be lucky to get a deal worth $2M/school.
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Post by Den60 on Sept 23, 2024 16:34:09 GMT -8
It’s has been less than ideal but it’s still addition by subtraction. Exactly! No New Mexico. No Wyoming. No Nevada (we think). The bottom feeders will be gone. UNR might be considered if UNLV says "no" to the PAC. I still think UNLV signs with the PAC, however. |
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Post by laaztec on Sept 23, 2024 16:50:32 GMT -8
It’s has been less than ideal but it’s still addition by subtraction. Exactly! No New Mexico. No Wyoming. No Nevada (we think). The bottom feeders will be gone. No San Jose too. |
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Post by aztecdan8 on Sept 23, 2024 17:59:42 GMT -8
Exactly! No New Mexico. No Wyoming. No Nevada (we think). The bottom feeders will be gone. No San Jose too. I'm always mixed on SJSU. They should be more attractive, they've had several good football seasons. Their BB program could be competitive but it's pathetic no one goes to the games... unless we are in town. Plus they effed up their FB stadium by building that structure the entire length of the opposite field side and have no seats on that side ... which is side you see on TV broadcasts, they ought to move the TV cameras for games to other side so viewers actually see actual fans in actual seats ... It's beyond bizarre. Based in Silicon Valley they should be able to tap into huge $$$. |
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Post by standiego on Sept 23, 2024 18:06:40 GMT -8
do wonder if the San Jose area businesses could provide some decent support for their school - would be helpful for them and the conference
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Post by Cwag on Sept 23, 2024 18:09:18 GMT -8
do wonder if the San Jose area businesses could provide some decent support for their school - would be helpful for them and the conference The downsized their stadium to 18K. |
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Post by sdsuball on Sept 23, 2024 18:39:54 GMT -8
I'm always missed on SJSU. They should be more attractive, they've had several good football seasons. Their BB program could be competitive but it's pathetic no one goes to the games... unless we are in town. Plus they effed up their FB stadium by building that structure the entire length of the opposite field side and have no seats. It's beyond bizarre. Based in Silicon Valley they should be able to tap into huge $$$. Nah, all the big money people went to schools like Stanford, CAL, Big10 schools. |
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Post by aztecdan8 on Sept 23, 2024 22:27:02 GMT -8
I'm always missed on SJSU. They should be more attractive, they've had several good football seasons. Their BB program could be competitive but it's pathetic no one goes to the games... unless we are in town. Plus they effed up their FB stadium by building that structure the entire length of the opposite field side and have no seats. It's beyond bizarre. Based in Silicon Valley they should be able to tap into huge $$$. Nah, all the big money people went to schools like Stanford, CAL, Big10 schools. As a long time Bay Area this isn't completely true. SJSU has plenty of big money people that went to SJSU. Not Stanford or Cal money, but there's plenty of money out there for them if they fund raised better and built up more excitement about the program. |
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Post by matteosandiego on Sept 24, 2024 7:55:04 GMT -8
PAC went to get the best schools out there and Memphis, Tulane, USF and, likely, UTSA got financial incentives to stay. Now the PAC is going back to the MWC to fill out its conference, which will likely stay at 8 FB members. If UNLV stays in the MWC, Nevarez can claim a small victory but remember the score, she lost SDSU, Boise, Fresno, CSU, and now USU. I think UNLV is holding out for the best deal they can get from the PAC. But, Gloria did "save" AFA from leaving despite not being a target of the PAC and, with the AAC staying intact, likely had no where to go anyway. Keeping AFA reportedly is costing the MWC $10M. If we can bring in Gonzaga we are still way better off in the PAC than the MWC. If the PAC doesn't have a firm deal in place, the MWC surely doesn't and I don't think she wants to explore that because that conference is going to be lucky to get a deal worth $2M/school. The MW is locked into their media deal for a few more years. Whatever the PAC gets will be much more than that obviously. I'm just surprised the PAC-12 threw so little money towards the AAC schools but is going to shell out so much for Utah State? Was that really the Plan B if Memphis, Tulane, UTSA, & USF decided to stay in the AAC?—which they ultimately did. |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Sept 24, 2024 8:04:09 GMT -8
PAC went to get the best schools out there and Memphis, Tulane, USF and, likely, UTSA got financial incentives to stay. Now the PAC is going back to the MWC to fill out its conference, which will likely stay at 8 FB members. If UNLV stays in the MWC, Nevarez can claim a small victory but remember the score, she lost SDSU, Boise, Fresno, CSU, and now USU. I think UNLV is holding out for the best deal they can get from the PAC. But, Gloria did "save" AFA from leaving despite not being a target of the PAC and, with the AAC staying intact, likely had no where to go anyway. Keeping AFA reportedly is costing the MWC $10M. If we can bring in Gonzaga we are still way better off in the PAC than the MWC. If the PAC doesn't have a firm deal in place, the MWC surely doesn't and I don't think she wants to explore that because that conference is going to be lucky to get a deal worth $2M/school. The MW is locked into their media deal for a few more years. Whatever the PAC gets will be much more than that obviously. I'm just surprised the PAC-12 threw so little money towards the AAC schools but is going to shell out so much for Utah State? Was that really the Plan B if Memphis, Tulane, UTSA, & USF decided to stay in the AAC?—which they ultimately did. I don't believe the reports of $2.5M. the AAC schools just leveraged the conversations to acquire a guarantee of unequal revenue sharing. they did not have a desire to create a best of the rest. so now they pivot to building a smaller 8 team conference. It still leads to a much better payout and opportunities. With 7 conference and 5 OOC. they need o go out and schedule aggressively. |
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Post by sleepy on Sept 24, 2024 8:15:24 GMT -8
I thought a couple weeks back the concept of "6 needing 2" seemed a bit sketch. I like my ducks in a row before making grand entrances -- rather than "All of our options for getting this done pencil out great!" But that's just me. I still think "7 needing 1" would have been better if you needed some mystery and intrigue -- like a "Who's gonna get the final rose?" sense of exclusivity would have been a much easier process to sell to a UNLV or Memphis. But I'm just some hack shelling out my entertainment bucks for this stuff, so what do I know?
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Post by AzTuba85 on Sept 24, 2024 8:16:10 GMT -8
or... we (P12) drive a stake in the heart of MGC by pulling in UNLV and a couple others to force dissolution. Then take the millions earmarked to go to MGC and throw it towards the AAC 3 leaving P12 as the defacto BOTR conference which gains a seat at the football playoff each year. Go for the throat P12!
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Post by matteosandiego on Sept 24, 2024 9:06:44 GMT -8
The MW is locked into their media deal for a few more years. Whatever the PAC gets will be much more than that obviously. I'm just surprised the PAC-12 threw so little money towards the AAC schools but is going to shell out so much for Utah State? Was that really the Plan B if Memphis, Tulane, UTSA, & USF decided to stay in the AAC?—which they ultimately did. I don't believe the reports of $2.5M. the AAC schools just leveraged the conversations to acquire a guarantee of unequal revenue sharing. they did not have a desire to create a best of the rest. so now they pivot to building a smaller 8 team conference. It still leads to a much better payout and opportunities. With 7 conference and 5 OOC. they need o go out and schedule aggressively. If what you're saying is true, then the PAC-12 Commish, all the reporters, Canzano, Wilner, etc. were all taken for a ride. It still puts the PAC-12 in an odd spot having to try and lure 2 more teams to get to 8 in the conference. Just have a hard time believing they wanted USU being the preferred plan to get there. |
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Post by Den60 on Sept 24, 2024 9:10:01 GMT -8
PAC went to get the best schools out there and Memphis, Tulane, USF and, likely, UTSA got financial incentives to stay. Now the PAC is going back to the MWC to fill out its conference, which will likely stay at 8 FB members. If UNLV stays in the MWC, Nevarez can claim a small victory but remember the score, she lost SDSU, Boise, Fresno, CSU, and now USU. I think UNLV is holding out for the best deal they can get from the PAC. But, Gloria did "save" AFA from leaving despite not being a target of the PAC and, with the AAC staying intact, likely had no where to go anyway. Keeping AFA reportedly is costing the MWC $10M. If we can bring in Gonzaga we are still way better off in the PAC than the MWC. If the PAC doesn't have a firm deal in place, the MWC surely doesn't and I don't think she wants to explore that because that conference is going to be lucky to get a deal worth $2M/school. The MW is locked into their media deal for a few more years. Whatever the PAC gets will be much more than that obviously. I'm just surprised the PAC-12 threw so little money towards the AAC schools but is going to shell out so much for Utah State? Was that really the Plan B if Memphis, Tulane, UTSA, & USF decided to stay in the AAC?—which they ultimately did. I saw a post on Twitter which claimed that the media market value for Memphis wasn't that much better than Utah St. |
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Post by Den60 on Sept 24, 2024 9:12:58 GMT -8
I don't believe the reports of $2.5M. the AAC schools just leveraged the conversations to acquire a guarantee of unequal revenue sharing. they did not have a desire to create a best of the rest. so now they pivot to building a smaller 8 team conference. It still leads to a much better payout and opportunities. With 7 conference and 5 OOC. they need o go out and schedule aggressively. If what you're saying is true, then the PAC-12 Commish, all the reporters, Canzano, Wilner, etc. were all taken for a ride. It still puts the PAC-12 in an odd spot having to try and lure 2 more teams to get to 8 in the conference. Just have a hard time believing they wanted USU being the preferred plan to get there. Before all this New PAC realignment got going, I didn't expect the MWC would be able to lure any top AAC schools, and would settle for taking the best MWC teams. So far, the latter is what is happening so I can't be surprised or even really disappointed. Now, I really want Gonzaga and would take St. Mary's as well if that assured Gonzaga was joining. |
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Post by Den60 on Sept 24, 2024 9:19:37 GMT -8
I thought a couple weeks back the concept of "6 needing 2" seemed a bit sketch. I like my ducks in a row before making grand entrances -- rather than "All of our options for getting this done pencil out great!" But that's just me. I still think "7 needing 1" would have been better if you needed some mystery and intrigue -- like a "Who's gonna get the final rose?" sense of exclusivity would have been a much easier process to sell to a UNLV or Memphis. But I'm just some hack shelling out my entertainment bucks for this stuff, so what do I know? Geez, how many of you guys watch "The Bachelor" for God's sake! No wonder our FB team looks weak and sucky, it mirrors our fanbase. C'mon y'all, turn the channel and watch manly things like hunting, fishing, Ultimate Fighting, sword and knife making etc. God, go find one of the numerous series about "Vikings," grow a long beard, shave your head, drink casks of beer while sitting in a chair lined with dead animal skins, preferably bear, not bunnies.  |
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