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Post by jcljorgenson on Sept 17, 2024 8:27:43 GMT -8
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Sept 17, 2024 8:36:54 GMT -8
He has been penning these types of letters for a while.
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Post by gentlesaztec on Sept 17, 2024 8:53:18 GMT -8
The man should spend some of his spare time taking some economic classes. He will learn that you can invest now to make more money later to cover the cost.
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Post by longtimebooster on Sept 17, 2024 9:09:27 GMT -8
The man should spend some of his spare time taking some economic classes. He will learn that you can invest now to make more money later to cover the cost. Kinda like how and why students take out loans to pay for their college educations. |
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Post by northparkaztec on Sept 17, 2024 10:12:25 GMT -8
Here's a question: Why is SDSU, Fresno, Boise, and CSU paying anything? PAC2 should pay it, after they already negotiated in bad faith, and broke their agreement. MWC didnt need to bail them out on scheduling. Now we're bailing them out again...Ok fine, they can cover the costs, since there is no other option. Am I wrong?
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Post by northparkaztec on Sept 17, 2024 10:14:05 GMT -8
Reading the "hope" of increased revenue is pinned on private equity, which is literally the biggest bubble since 2008.
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Post by Den60 on Sept 17, 2024 10:16:36 GMT -8
Here's a question: Why is SDSU, Fresno, Boise, and CSU paying anything? PAC2 should pay it, after they already negotiated in bad faith, and broke their agreement. MWC didnt need to bail them out on scheduling. Now we're bailing them out again...Ok fine, they can cover the costs, since there is no other option. Am I wrong? If reports are true, the MWC was asking for $2M/game from OSU/Wazzu for 2025. That was untenable for the PAC school. Reports are that they are going to pay a substantial portion of the money required to bring in teams from the PAC. First, they will have to negotiate exactly what is to be paid and how. |
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Post by northparkaztec on Sept 17, 2024 10:18:53 GMT -8
Plus we lose millions from NCAA credits. IDK maybe Im missing the math here, but none of this makes sense on a pack of hopes coming from 2 who've already broke their word from a year ago.
Is the auto-bid even guaranteed?
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Post by RiffelBooks on Sept 17, 2024 10:22:44 GMT -8
The man should spend some of his spare time taking some economic classes. He will learn that you can invest now to make more money later to cover the cost. Spend money to make money. Ziegler's article today implied that there might be some negotiations going on regarding exit fees. We'll see. |
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Post by RiffelBooks on Sept 17, 2024 10:24:43 GMT -8
Plus we lose millions from NCAA credits. IDK maybe Im missing the math here, but none of this makes sense on a pack of hopes coming from 2 who've already broke their word from a year ago. Is the auto-bid even guaranteed? 1. OSU/WSU aren't the ones who broke their word a year ago, unless you're thinking of something else. 2. The only auto-bids go to the four or five (I forget the number) of the highest ranked conference champions. If those come from the Sun Belt, MAC and C-USA, so be it. |
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Post by laaztec on Sept 17, 2024 10:25:36 GMT -8
The battle between the academic side and athletics has been happening for decades.
Don’t care what this guy says.
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Post by standiego on Sept 17, 2024 10:26:30 GMT -8
AFA is looking to leave the MW join Navy and Army in the AAC
That would be 5 schools leaving the MW
IF the New PAC added some additional schools from the MW could exit fees be eliminated ?
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Post by Den60 on Sept 17, 2024 10:28:22 GMT -8
Plus we lose millions from NCAA credits. IDK maybe Im missing the math here, but none of this makes sense on a pack of hopes coming from 2 who've already broke their word from a year ago. Is the auto-bid even guaranteed? The 14M or 16M we have in NCAA credits is divided 11 ways so those millions amount to about $1.5 plus, what, another $8 million from other members brings our total up to about $2.2M? Not exactly a windfall. Plus, in the new conference, post season money will be distributed in a manner that rewards those who earn them more than those who don't. The PAC2 never "broke their word" to us. Eight of the remaining nine were ready to sign the deal. It was UW who broke the faith. creating a domino effect with the others. You obviously haven't been paying attention. No, the auto-bid is not guaranteed but the PAC will be, by far, the strongest conference not in the P4 if they get whom they are targeting. |
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Post by Den60 on Sept 17, 2024 10:31:41 GMT -8
AFA is looking to leave the MW join Navy and Army in the AAC That would be 5 schools leaving the MW IF the New PAC added some additional schools from the MW could exit fees be eliminated ? UNLV won't stick around. My money is on them in the PAC, but they'd go to the AAC with AFA if not invited to the PAC. So there's 6. Other MWC schools have been on the phone with other conferences to see what their options are. Technically, it takes 9 members to dissolve the conference so that is unlikely. However, I don't see how the conference can justify even $10M/school as an "exit penalty," much less $27M. |
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Post by aztech on Sept 17, 2024 10:32:02 GMT -8
The man should spend some of his spare time taking some economic classes. He will learn that you can invest now to make more money later to cover the cost. Actually he should bring his complaint to the various departments of the School of Business to get the big picture about budgets. |
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Post by Cwag on Sept 17, 2024 10:45:07 GMT -8
AFA is looking to leave the MW join Navy and Army in the AAC That would be 5 schools leaving the MW IF the New PAC added some additional schools from the MW could exit fees be eliminated ? UNLV won't stick around. My money is on them in the PAC, but they'd go to the AAC with AFA if not invited to the PAC. So there's 6. Other MWC schools have been on the phone with other conferences to see what their options are. Technically, it takes 9 members to dissolve the conference so that is unlikely. However, I don't see how the conference can justify even $10M/school as an "exit penalty," much less $27M. I agree. I'll guess the final exit fee number will be a lot closer to 10 million than 27 million. |
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Post by junior on Sept 17, 2024 11:44:34 GMT -8
ADLT said that no funds were coming from SDSU for this.
From her email on the 12th:
Importantly, no state funds will cover expenditures related to this move. Today’s announcement is the very first step in our next phase, and we will keep you informed of our plans. We appreciate the Pac-12 Conference for seeing the significant value in SDSU and the broad impact of our students, coaches and the broader community, and are looking forward to this exciting, new era.
Now, that does not necessarily mean that no funds at all will come from SDSU, The athletic budget and SDSU Research Foundation manages money (pots of money referred to) that comes from sources other than the State of California. While I understand the professor's position on this - there are certainly some serious danger signals flashing in just about every department except athletics, the premise that athletics should be supporting the academic program is shaky. If athletics is taking money from academic programs, that's a problem. But his case does not make this connection clear.
Whenever there's an academic money crunch, administration and athletics gets the microscopic treatment. While the administrative side certainly deserves it - the number of AVPs is now ridiculous. Just what does the President even do anymore besides host parties and glad hand donors? But athletics - per se - is not part of the problem with budget woes.
The "pots of money" can come from various sources. Donors are a big source - not necessarily at SDSU, but their donations to athletics do matter. Other sources probably include media rights, NCAA Tournament shares, "paid to play" games (though SDSU may not be getting many of those anymore) as well as ticket sales for sporting events. None of these sources are ever directed to academics. Just as research grants, industry grants and donations, etc. are not typically directed to athletics.
I get that the professor is unhappy with the way academics always gets the shaft - and that it feels like athletics works outside the system - but he's not going to get any sympathy here.
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Post by Gundo on Sept 17, 2024 11:53:14 GMT -8
UNLV won't stick around. My money is on them in the PAC, but they'd go to the AAC with AFA if not invited to the PAC. So there's 6. Other MWC schools have been on the phone with other conferences to see what their options are. Technically, it takes 9 members to dissolve the conference so that is unlikely. However, I don't see how the conference can justify even $10M/school as an "exit penalty," much less $27M. I agree. I'll guess the final exit fee number will be a lot closer to 10 million than 27 million. The PAC looking to add 2-4 teams immediately, IMO, UNLV is one of those four, but not necessarily one of two. But, it all depends on acceptance versus offers. |
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Post by Gundo on Sept 17, 2024 11:59:22 GMT -8
ADLT said that no funds were coming from SDSU for this. From her email on the 12th: Importantly, no state funds will cover expenditures related to this move. Today’s announcement is the very first step in our next phase, and we will keep you informed of our plans. We appreciate the Pac-12 Conference for seeing the significant value in SDSU and the broad impact of our students, coaches and the broader community, and are looking forward to this exciting, new era.Now, that does not necessarily mean that no funds at all will come from SDSU, The athletic budget and SDSU Research Foundation manages money ( pots of money referred to) that comes from sources other than the State of California. While I understand the professor's position on this - there are certainly some serious danger signals flashing in just about every department except athletics, the premise that athletics should be supporting the academic program is shaky. If athletics is taking money from academic programs, that's a problem. But his case does not make this connection clear. Whenever there's an academic money crunch, administration and athletics gets the microscopic treatment. While the administrative side certainly deserves it - the number of AVPs is now ridiculous. Just what does the President even do anymore besides host parties and glad hand donors? But athletics - per se - is not part of the problem with budget woes. The "pots of money" can come from various sources. Donors are a big source - not necessarily at SDSU, but their donations to athletics do matter. Other sources probably include media rights, NCAA Tournament shares, "paid to play" games (though SDSU may not be getting many of those anymore) as well as ticket sales for sporting events. None of these sources are ever directed to academics. Just as research grants, industry grants and donations, etc. are not typically directed to athletics. I get that the professor is unhappy with the way academics always gets the shaft - and that it feels like athletics works outside the system - but he's not going to get any sympathy here. Sorry, but if you're a tenured, published, literature professor, get your facts straight. Brian Dutcher was not hired 6 months ago, he has been with the program for over 25 years. And he has earned his salary with the one National Championship game alone. Plus, over the course of his 25 years at San Diego State, Dutch has helped the Aztecs reach the postseason 18 times, including 13 trips to the NCAA tourny, win a conference-best 16 Mountain West titles and record 19 seasons of at least 20 victories. How many millions upon millions of dollars of revenue has been earned up Dutcher? |
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Post by northparkaztec on Sept 17, 2024 12:47:47 GMT -8
No doubt, and at the same time, always fair to question ROI relative to Risk vs Reward, which appears hazy at this point, given the lack of a TV contract and playoff guarantee. The man should spend some of his spare time taking some economic classes. He will learn that you can invest now to make more money later to cover the cost. Spend money to make money. Ziegler's article today implied that there might be some negotiations going on regarding exit fees. We'll see. |
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