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Post by aztecbrothers on Oct 17, 2024 13:52:45 GMT -8
Turn on CNN, ABC, and MSNBC and you will see a pack of them. So you're refusing to admit Trump torpedoed the border security bill, even though multiple Republicans went on record confirming it? Why would anyone believe that Trump blocked the Bill? Trump told Kamala in the debate that she and Joe could shut down the border now with an executive order. He flat out asked her to do it now "what are you waiting for" She refused to answer Trump. Was it because there was more in that "Border Bill" that was holding it up? She is just another liar. |
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 17, 2024 13:59:48 GMT -8
So you're refusing to admit Trump torpedoed the border security bill, even though multiple Republicans went on record confirming it? Why would anyone believe that Trump blocked the Bill? Trump told Kamala in the debate that she and Joe could shut down the boarder now with an executive order. He flat out asked her to do it now "what are you waiting for" She refused to answer Trump. Was it because there was more in that "Boarder Bill" that was holding it up? She is just another liar. .....Because he did? Now you're accusing your own party of lying? Dude, it's BORDER. B o r d e r. No, you cannot just shut down the border unilaterally with an executive order. It would be challenged in federal court, much like Trump's executive order was. You could limit crossings, you could tweak asylum parameters...but a unilateral shutdown wasn't happening. |
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Post by aztecbrothers on Oct 17, 2024 14:00:48 GMT -8
I would say that bypassing the Primary Elections was pretty original on the Democratic Elite's part; along with the Non-Democratic Coronation of Kamala. They didn't bypass anything. Learn how conventions work. So now you are saying that the DNC is not Democratic and the Primary is just a fallacy of Democracy. |
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 17, 2024 14:03:39 GMT -8
They didn't bypass anything. Learn how conventions work. So now you are saying that the DNC is not Democratic and the Primary is just a fallacy of Democracy. What I'm saying is a primary was held. People voted overwhelmingly for the Biden administration. If you're naive enough to believe that their voters aren't cognizant of the reality of voting for the oldest candidate in our history, then you're just not all there. It's the exact same thing on the other side. You're voting for a ticket, not a person. |
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Post by aztecbrothers on Oct 17, 2024 14:04:59 GMT -8
Why would anyone believe that Trump blocked the Bill? Trump told Kamala in the debate that she and Joe could shut down the boarder now with an executive order. He flat out asked her to do it now "what are you waiting for" She refused to answer Trump. Was it because there was more in that "Boarder Bill" that was holding it up? She is just another liar. .....Because he did? Now you're accusing your own party of lying? Dude, it's BORDER. B o r d e r. No, you cannot just shut down the border unilaterally with an executive order. It would be challenged in federal court, much like Trump's executive order was. You could limit crossings, you could tweak asylum parameters...but a unilateral shutdown wasn't happening. Yea, It sounded like that is what Trump was asking Kamala to do. Just Do It! But that would remove a political talking point and potential voters for her, citizens be damned. |
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 17, 2024 14:06:38 GMT -8
.....Because he did? Now you're accusing your own party of lying? Dude, it's BORDER. B o r d e r. No, you cannot just shut down the border unilaterally with an executive order. It would be challenged in federal court, much like Trump's executive order was. You could limit crossings, you could tweak asylum parameters...but a unilateral shutdown wasn't happening. Yea, It sounded like that is what Trump was asking Kamala to do. Just Do It! But that would remove a political talking point for her, citizens be damned. It's the responsibility of Congress to pass laws. They had a viable, bipartisan bill agreed to. Donald Trump torpedoed it. It's that simple. |
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Post by aztecbrothers on Oct 17, 2024 14:18:33 GMT -8
Yea, It sounded like that is what Trump was asking Kamala to do. Just Do It! But that would remove a political talking point for her, citizens be damned. It's the responsibility of Congress to pass laws. They had a viable, bipartisan bill agreed to. Donald Trump torpedoed it. Where is the research to prove what you are saying? Its not like saying it three times will make it be a fact. Why not just reinstate the border policy that Trump put in place with the support of the Mexican Government? Trump has stated he is supportive of immigration. It just needs to go through the proper process. Not some bastardization of a Federal Law for Cold War Exiles being used to drop millions of immigrants on cities that do not have the support of infrastructure to take care of these people. |
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 17, 2024 14:38:24 GMT -8
It's the responsibility of Congress to pass laws. They had a viable, bipartisan bill agreed to. Donald Trump torpedoed it. Where is the research to prove what you are saying? Its not like saying it three times will make it be a fact. Why not just reinstate the border policy that Trump put in place with the support of the Mexican Government? Trump has stated he is supportive of immigration. It just needs to go through the proper process. Not some bastardization of a Federal Law for Cold War Exiles being used to drop millions of immigrants on cities that do not have the support of infrastructure to take care of these people. The research as to what? Trump torpedoing the bill? Already posted. Trump's policy of separating families and not reuniting them? Remain in Mexico was a failure, just passes the responsibility to another entity. Trump's a serial liar, in case you haven't noticed. |
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 17, 2024 14:43:43 GMT -8
It's the responsibility of Congress to pass laws. They had a viable, bipartisan bill agreed to. Donald Trump torpedoed it. Where is the research to prove what you are saying? Its not like saying it three times will make it be a fact. Why not just reinstate the border policy that Trump put in place with the support of the Mexican Government? Trump has stated he is supportive of immigration. It just needs to go through the proper process. Not some bastardization of a Federal Law for Cold War Exiles being used to drop millions of immigrants on cities that do not have the support of infrastructure to take care of these people. It is once again the responsibility of Congress to pass legislation to fix the asylum process, not executive order. |
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Post by North County Aztec on Oct 17, 2024 15:20:46 GMT -8
Yup, you finally looked in the mirror. Grow up. Your just a child with childless replies not worthy of any consideration. Brett is a democrat, but unwilling to wear the nose ring you find comfortable. Your girl Kammie is toast. She even beats Dan as the worst. It isn't even sad you can't see that, it is demented, but I'd expect nothing more from a tiny closed minded thought process.
Debate!!! Do you even know what the word means?
The point you are willing to forgive and avoid, she's pathetic in a hardball interview, that should ring a bell with your replies. To repeat, so you might have a one in a million chance of an intelligent rebuttable, how's she going to deal with Putin and Xi?
I deleted that, that wasn't fair to you, upon reflection of the entire post. However, multiple things in your post aren't up to speed. The only person who could access the money in the campaign fund was Harris. There was never a chance to nominate anyone else, they would have started from scratch at the end of July (much later, in reality) so that's why Harris was the only logical choice. I'd like to see any kind of reputable source that labels Bret a Democrat. His actions in post-2020 election circles don't jive with that at all. He wanted to cater (and ultimately bow) to Trump's anger issues. Regarding Putin and Xi, I don't think a Fox interview is equitable to matters of foreign diplomacy. And this ignores the obvious: What Trump would do is worse. We know it's worse. We've already seen it, heard it, read it and swallowed it for years. Trump would cede Ukraine to Russia. You know it, I know it, the world knows it. Just today, he blamed Zelenskyy for starting the war. I’ll be 100% honest with you. I don’t like you. It has nothing to do with you as a democrat. It is solely based on how you treat and regard people that are of a different mindset. You treat people as trash. That’s just plain downright simple and good people, no matter what side of the aisle they are on don’t do that. Nevertheless, I respect a person if I agree with or not having a position. However, I see no benefit to anyone to degrade another. You do make it hard to resist and I have on many occasions chosen to belittle you in responses and that was not fair of me. It is all water on the bridge for me. Going forward I’ll reply in an equal manner. Let’s both behave as adults. Afterall I’m old enough to be your grandfather. |
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 17, 2024 15:30:10 GMT -8
I deleted that, that wasn't fair to you, upon reflection of the entire post. However, multiple things in your post aren't up to speed. The only person who could access the money in the campaign fund was Harris. There was never a chance to nominate anyone else, they would have started from scratch at the end of July (much later, in reality) so that's why Harris was the only logical choice. I'd like to see any kind of reputable source that labels Bret a Democrat. His actions in post-2020 election circles don't jive with that at all. He wanted to cater (and ultimately bow) to Trump's anger issues. Regarding Putin and Xi, I don't think a Fox interview is equitable to matters of foreign diplomacy. And this ignores the obvious: What Trump would do is worse. We know it's worse. We've already seen it, heard it, read it and swallowed it for years. Trump would cede Ukraine to Russia. You know it, I know it, the world knows it. Just today, he blamed Zelenskyy for starting the war. I’ll be 100% honest with you. I don’t like you. It has nothing to do with you as a democrat. It is solely based on how you treat and regard people that are of a different mindset. You treat people as trash. That’s just plain downright simple and good people, no matter what side of the aisle they are on don’t do that. Nevertheless, I respect a person if I agree with or not having a position. However, I see no benefit to anyone to degrade another. You do make it hard to resist and I have on many occasions chosen to belittle you in responses and that was not fair of me. It is all water on the bridge for me. Going forward I’ll reply in an equal manner. Let’s both behave as adults. Afterall I’m old enough to be your grandfather. That's up to you. I don't treat people as trash, I have common, cordial dialogue with most everyone on here unless they cross certain lines I take exception to. You don't see any benefit to degrade someone, yet you use degrading terminology. I don't have any ill will towards you or anyone else. Water under the bridge as well. Cheers. |
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Post by aztecbrothers on Oct 17, 2024 15:36:38 GMT -8
Where is the research to prove what you are saying? Its not like saying it three times will make it be a fact. Why not just reinstate the border policy that Trump put in place with the support of the Mexican Government? Trump has stated he is supportive of immigration. It just needs to go through the proper process. Not some bastardization of a Federal Law for Cold War Exiles being used to drop millions of immigrants on cities that do not have the support of infrastructure to take care of these people. The research as to what? Trump torpedoing the bill? Already posted. Trump's policy of separating families and not reuniting them? Remain in Mexico was a failure, just passes the responsibility to another entity. Trump's a serial liar, in case you haven't noticed. So you are saying that it is the United States responsibility to take in undocumented immigrants that cross the Southern Border and neglect the poor, homeless, declining education system, and looming mental health crisis for the existing US Citizens? Do you have any ethical principles you follow to justify your position? You need to stop watching liberal media and their agendas, step away from the keyboard, and see what is happening out there on the streets. check out www.usdebtclock.org/ and tell me how the Harris' Open Border policy will be funded for any length of time? People in New York City are already asking for the Army to come in to address the immigrant crime and violence. |
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 17, 2024 16:13:59 GMT -8
The research as to what? Trump torpedoing the bill? Already posted. Trump's policy of separating families and not reuniting them? Remain in Mexico was a failure, just passes the responsibility to another entity. Trump's a serial liar, in case you haven't noticed. So you are saying that it is the United States responsibility to take in undocumented immigrants that cross the Southern Border and neglect the poor, homeless, declining education system, and looming mental health crisis for the existing US Citizens? Do you have any ethical principles you follow to justify your position? You need to stop watching liberal media and their agendas, step away from the keyboard, and see what is happening out there on the streets. check out www.usdebtclock.org/ and tell me how the Harris' Open Border policy will be funded for any length of time? People in New York City are already asking for the Army to come in to address the immigrant crime and violence. I'm going to say it slower this time. It's the job of Congress to pass bills that create immigration reform. Congress is the body that passes legislation and becomes law, on all fronts. Very simple, straightforward process. Considering you don't how the Senate works, I'm going to pass on taking advice on what you want me to watch. I'm well aware of what is happening on the streets, I live in El Cajon. |
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Post by aztecbrothers on Oct 17, 2024 17:36:16 GMT -8
So you are saying that it is the United States responsibility to take in undocumented immigrants that cross the Southern Border and neglect the poor, homeless, declining education system, and looming mental health crisis for the existing US Citizens? Do you have any ethical principles you follow to justify your position? You need to stop watching liberal media and their agendas, step away from the keyboard, and see what is happening out there on the streets. check out www.usdebtclock.org/ and tell me how the Harris' Open Border policy will be funded for any length of time? People in New York City are already asking for the Army to come in to address the immigrant crime and violence. I'm going to say it slower this time. It's the job of Congress to pass bills that create immigration reform. Congress is the body that passes legislation and becomes law, on all fronts. Very simple, straightforward process. Considering you don't how the Senate works, I'm going to pass on taking advice on what you want me to watch. I'm well aware of what is happening on the streets, I live in El Cajon. If you are so aware of how the Senate works, maybe you should explain it to the media, Harris, Walz, and back to yourself; they all seem to think that Trump is making the final decision. There was a bipartisan rejection of the Border Bill in the Senate. There is a lot of Bull Sh*t in that Border Bill. I did take a glance at some of the crap that is included. Why there wasn't any provisions for some of the people that have been in the Country for 20+ years working that don't have citizenship is crazy. Maybe Trump should make that part of his campaign to take California. All he would need to say is if any worker can certify 10 years of their work history in California with their employer's signature, they will be fast tracked to US citizenship and Cali would be all RED along with a middle finger to Newscum! It is unbelievable that the Big Shot Governor passed the kid sex change/identity bill that caused Musk to announce he is moving Space X and Twitter(X) to Texas. |
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 17, 2024 18:58:48 GMT -8
I'm going to say it slower this time. It's the job of Congress to pass bills that create immigration reform. Congress is the body that passes legislation and becomes law, on all fronts. Very simple, straightforward process. Considering you don't how the Senate works, I'm going to pass on taking advice on what you want me to watch. I'm well aware of what is happening on the streets, I live in El Cajon. If you are so aware of how the Senate works, maybe you should explain it to the media, Harris, Walz, and back to yourself; they all seem to think that Trump is making the final decision. There was a bipartisan rejection of the Border Bill in the Senate. There is a lot of Bull Sh*t in that Border Bill. I did take a glance at some of the crap that is included. Why there wasn't any provisions for some of the people that have been in the Country for 20+ years working that don't have citizenship is crazy. Maybe Trump should make that part of his campaign to take California. All he would need to say is if any worker can certify 10 years of their work history in California with their employer's signature, they will be fast tracked to US citizenship and Cali would be all RED along with a middle finger to Newscum! It is unbelievable that the Big Shot Governor passed the kid sex change/identity bill that caused Musk to announce he is moving Space X and Twitter(X) to Texas. How can someone possibly misinterpret something over and over again unless it's intentional? Trump TORPEDOED the bill. That's not up for debate. It doesn't come from me, it doesn't come from MSNBC, the View, ABC, Whoopi Goldberg....it comes from members of Congress that are Republicans who have admitted, on video, what occurred. Is this supposed to be funny? Like you're doing this for amusement or something? It's incredibly lame. There was no bipartisan rejection, FOUR Republicans voted in favor of it. FOUR. Even Mitch McConnell, coward Mitch McConnnell, voted against it after he helped BUILD it. You're a nutcase. But then again, you claimed to be an Independent, so I shouldn't be surprised. |
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 17, 2024 19:09:38 GMT -8
If you are so aware of how the Senate works, maybe you should explain it to the media, Harris, Walz, and back to yourself; they all seem to think that Trump is making the final decision. There was a bipartisan rejection of the Border Bill in the Senate. There is a lot of Bull Sh*t in that Border Bill. I did take a glance at some of the crap that is included. Why there wasn't any provisions for some of the people that have been in the Country for 20+ years working that don't have citizenship is crazy. Maybe Trump should make that part of his campaign to take California. All he would need to say is if any worker can certify 10 years of their work history in California with their employer's signature, they will be fast tracked to US citizenship and Cali would be all RED along with a middle finger to Newscum! It is unbelievable that the Big Shot Governor passed the kid sex change/identity bill that caused Musk to announce he is moving Space X and Twitter(X) to Texas. How can someone possibly misinterpret something over and over again unless it's intentional? Trump TORPEDOED the bill. That's not up for debate. It doesn't come from me, it doesn't come from MSNBC, the View, ABC, Whoopi Goldberg....it comes from members of Congress that are Republicans who have admitted, on video, what occurred. Is this supposed to be funny? Like you're doing this for amusement or something? It's incredibly lame. There was no bipartisan rejection, FOUR Republicans voted in favor of it. FOUR. Even Mitch McConnell, coward Mitch McConnnell, voted against it after he helped BUILD it. You're a nutcase. But then again, you claimed to be an Independent, so I shouldn't be surprised. Didn't six Democrats vote against it? |
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 17, 2024 19:28:26 GMT -8
How can someone possibly misinterpret something over and over again unless it's intentional? Trump TORPEDOED the bill. That's not up for debate. It doesn't come from me, it doesn't come from MSNBC, the View, ABC, Whoopi Goldberg....it comes from members of Congress that are Republicans who have admitted, on video, what occurred. Is this supposed to be funny? Like you're doing this for amusement or something? It's incredibly lame. There was no bipartisan rejection, FOUR Republicans voted in favor of it. FOUR. Even Mitch McConnell, coward Mitch McConnnell, voted against it after he helped BUILD it. You're a nutcase. But then again, you claimed to be an Independent, so I shouldn't be surprised. Didn't six Democrats vote against it? How many voted for it, John? |
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 17, 2024 20:10:09 GMT -8
Didn't six Democrats vote against it? How many voted for it, John? I hear ya. That's true. |
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Post by aztecmusician on Oct 17, 2024 20:35:12 GMT -8
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Post by sdsuball on Oct 17, 2024 21:04:11 GMT -8
The research as to what? Trump torpedoing the bill? Already posted. Trump's policy of separating families and not reuniting them? Remain in Mexico was a failure, just passes the responsibility to another entity. Trump's a serial liar, in case you haven't noticed. So you are saying that it is the United States responsibility to take in undocumented immigrants that cross the Southern Border? It's what the US has done historically for centuries. Offer people entry into our wonderful country, with a path to citizenship. It's how the colonies were founded. The border has little to do with the homeless issue. Why are you connecting the two? We have a bunch of homeless people in CA because we haven't done enough to support those people. We live in the most expensive city in the country with the best weather in the country, that other states send their homeless people to. Why are we spending so much money on undocumented immigrants, instead of offering them a green card and a path to citizenship? We spend so much money on undocumented immigrants because we are spending a ton of money on our border and on detaining these people that just want a better life. How about instead of funding more border patrol, we fund building more shelters for homeless people, and give undocumented people green cards instead of spending money detaining them? Wouldn't that just be better <for everyone>? Why spend money on imprisonment, when we can give them green cards and get them to work helping our economy? |
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