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Post by laaztec on Apr 27, 2024 15:25:30 GMT -8
I'm sure anyone who knows him personally will root for him just as much as before (Dutch, his teammates, etc). But I don't know him and he knows that he's trading some good will within the city for extra cash. That's the decision he made. Seems straightforward to me. And it's probably the correct decision (depending on the money). If Miles Byrd goes off this year, I'd want Keshad and Lamont to tell him that Aztecs fans are gonna be pissed if he leaves, otherwise the transfer decision is super simple. Incentivizing leaving and being happy folks are transferring to blue bloods makes no sense to me. Agree. I just want them to stop sugarcoating it saying it’s for playing time and exposure. Just say you left for money. Be truthful and stop trying to soften the blow. It’s going to be real awkward at the 10th anniversary of the final four team when Lamont and Keshad are wearing wildcat gear |
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Post by TPAztec on Apr 27, 2024 15:27:46 GMT -8
More than that if you listened to Ziegler's interview: - Higher visibility (SEC, "East Coast" broadcasting on ESPN)
- Potential "home run" swing for NBA draft next year
- Experience a new team system that being rebuilt by now BYU coach, instead of being stuck in SDSU he knows what he's getting
- Just try something new, you know
Exposure for what? Can’t get more exposure than the final four and the national championship game. Also We were on big CBS a number of times last year. If he’s good enough to play in the NBA, the NBA scout would find him at SDSU. We aren’t a secret. All those points are just excuses to make it look like it wasn’t done for money. The only point that holds up is try something new. Hopefully we can agree on a few things. Lamont leaving hurts, and it's not how anyone wanted to end up. The decision to transfer was purely a buisness one. It's useless to bicker about something that's already happened. Lamont might not be an Aztec legend like Kawahi or Gwynn, but for damn sure he's in the tier below them just for the shot. It's time to move on and focus on the kids that are here, and that are commited to the program like Byrd. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Apr 27, 2024 15:28:37 GMT -8
I'm disappointed. I was really hoping that he'd stay, but it is what it is.
He's NOT an Aztec For Life. Guys who leave and play for another school are not Aztecs for life. They'll always be Aztecs, but they're not just Aztecs. They didn't make it their home, they didn't make it a part of who they were - they didn't feel connected to SDSU enough to stay.
I greatly appreciate what he did for SDSU, and his shot at the end of the FAU game will live on forever in Aztec Basketball history, but I'm not happy that he decided to leave.
I hope he does well, though. The TV announcers will say, "San Diego State transfer, Lamont Butler," at least once or twice a game.
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Post by TPAztec on Apr 27, 2024 15:29:12 GMT -8
I'm sure anyone who knows him personally will root for him just as much as before (Dutch, his teammates, etc). But I don't know him and he knows that he's trading some good will within the city for extra cash. That's the decision he made. Seems straightforward to me. And it's probably the correct decision (depending on the money). If Miles Byrd goes off this year, I'd want Keshad and Lamont to tell him that Aztecs fans are gonna be pissed if he leaves, otherwise the transfer decision is super simple. Incentivizing leaving and being happy folks are transferring to blue bloods makes no sense to me. Agree. I just want them to stop sugarcoating it saying it’s for playing time and exposure. Just say you left for money. Be truthful and stop trying to soften the blow. It’s going to be real awkward at the 10th anniversary of the final four team when Lamont and Keshad are wearing wildcat gear LA, dude, c'mon. I get you're not happy, but damn, that's an uncessary slight, and major disrespect to 2 players who gave us a lot of good memories and work. Sure I may not be happy that they left, but to suggest that they're going to show up in wildcat colors is just disrespectful to the extreme. |
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Post by laaztec on Apr 27, 2024 15:33:21 GMT -8
Exposure for what? Can’t get more exposure than the final four and the national championship game. Also We were on big CBS a number of times last year. If he’s good enough to play in the NBA, the NBA scout would find him at SDSU. We aren’t a secret. All those points are just excuses to make it look like it wasn’t done for money. The only point that holds up is try something new. Hopefully we can agree on a few things. Lamont leaving hurts, and it's not how anyone wanted to end up. The decision to transfer was purely a buisness one. It's useless to bicker about something that's already happened. Lamont might not be an Aztec legend like Kawahi or Gwynn, but for damn sure he's in the tier below them just for the shot. It's time to move on and focus on the kids that are here, and that are commited to the program like Byrd. I agree. The only thing that’s ridiculous about the whole thing is that Lamont could have been on the Kawhi Gwynn level depending on what happened next year. But he decided to chase money. But that’s his decision. The thing that I don’t understand are people saying it’s all good and you’re still an Aztec for life. People should be upset and voice their displeasure. We do need to focus on who we have. Our team is going to be stacked. It’s going to be fun to watch them develop. |
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Post by aztecsrule72001 on Apr 27, 2024 18:14:44 GMT -8
Loyalty is nice but you can't feed or help your family on loyalty alone and it isn't fair to compare Butler to guys that went on to become professional athletes and made millions over their careers. It's a lot easier for someone like Tony to stay loyal when he and his family were set for life financially. As much as I like Butler the reality is there's a slim chance he makes it to the NBA and I don't know what his family's financial situation is like but if it's like the average American then yes a few hundred thousand of dollars can make a pretty big impact. Hell he could probably afford to buy his parents a home in Kentucky if he wanted to.
Butler was with this program for 4 years, he stuck around another year despite being at his most valuable and already sacrificed a lot financially because of it (easily cost himself half a million if not more).
His legacy at SDSU with that shot is cemented forever. Nothing will take that way. Plus from as far as I can tell he seems like a good kid and didn't cause any issues while here. So stop with the ruining his legacy bs.
Anyways it sucks to see him go and I wish it didn't happen but unfortunately this is the new reality of college sports.
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Post by lemkotir on Apr 27, 2024 18:16:55 GMT -8
Loyalty--- again... what did the Gywnn family get, for staying loyal to the Padres. Yea, people can say nice things about Tony Gwynn, and I would too, but talk is cheap. At work, we call it show me the cash, so my family and interests can be taken care of. Good to see money is the only thing you value. Gwynn made millions off of being a local SDer. He got car deals, etc. His son was set up for life. He got to be a sports broadcaster. He got a head coaching job with no coaching experience. He got to keep a college coaching job even though he wasn't winning. He was well taken care of by the community. Family and money. |
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Post by aztecsrule72001 on Apr 27, 2024 18:22:38 GMT -8
I'm sure anyone who knows him personally will root for him just as much as before (Dutch, his teammates, etc). But I don't know him and he knows that he's trading some good will within the city for extra cash. That's the decision he made. Seems straightforward to me. And it's probably the correct decision (depending on the money). If Miles Byrd goes off this year, I'd want Keshad and Lamont to tell him that Aztecs fans are gonna be pissed if he leaves, otherwise the transfer decision is super simple. Incentivizing leaving and being happy folks are transferring to blue bloods makes no sense to me.No offense but I doubt they'd care enough for it change their decision. Don't you think think Keshad and Lamont knew fans would be upset with them leaving? Or that Kawhi knew he'd piss off the entire city of San Antonio when he asked to be traded? They still did it because at the end of the day that's what they wanted to do. |
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Post by lemkotir on Apr 27, 2024 18:35:32 GMT -8
I am taking the money 998 out of 1000 times, over loyalty. Money is just a "tool" that enable so many things, and if properly handled/invested, in this LATE STAGE CAPITALISM, it's a difference maker. I thought you wanted to use TG as an example? That point failed so why not move the goalposts, right? Fine. Name ANOTHER San Diego / SDSU legend that did not benefit from showing loyalty. I don't mind. I'll win that point too. Loyalty is like those fluffy stuff we talk about at for-profit workplace and get hyped up on, when things are going well, it's all about the sales/profit. As I already said, I feel Butler did the right thing and took the money, gave himself a puncher's chance to get drafted or improve his draft stock --- grab that financial security for yourself and your family. Wasn't try to win points. Somewhat related to my reply here... a while ago, I saw a picture of Jimmy Carter, the former US President, and he looked terrible (see below). You know what went through my mind. This was once the most powerful man in the world, with so many boot lickers, admirers, diplomats, and __________, fought for his attention, approval and decisions -- when he lost power, as time passes, the world moved on. Focus on what's important to you and your family. e3.365dm.com/23/11/1600x900/skynews-jimmy-carter-rosalynn-carter_6375735.jpg?20231128211353people.com/thmb/-USBSWjeZi7XmK_-W9DUsDoVmNE=/750x0/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc():focal(999x0:1001x2):format(webp)/rosalynn-carter-funeral-112923-21-8b48adb786df459b90da67f5468a754d.jpgI guess my point is still this: do what is in your and your family's best interest. It just happens we're arguing about Money vs. Loyalty/Legacy. We just differ in our opinion and that's okay. I would do what Butler done, so I guess I am arguing on that side of the fence, and I am not shamed to say I would take the money -- and I would argue most here would too. |
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Post by lemkotir on Apr 27, 2024 18:38:52 GMT -8
I'm sure anyone who knows him personally will root for him just as much as before (Dutch, his teammates, etc). But I don't know him and he knows that he's trading some good will within the city for extra cash. That's the decision he made. Seems straightforward to me. And it's probably the correct decision (depending on the money). If Miles Byrd goes off this year, I'd want Keshad and Lamont to tell him that Aztecs fans are gonna be pissed if he leaves, otherwise the transfer decision is super simple. Incentivizing leaving and being happy folks are transferring to blue bloods makes no sense to me.No offense but I doubt they'd care enough for it change their decision. Don't you think think Keshad and Lamont knew fans would be upset with them leaving? Or that Kawhi knew he'd piss off the entire city of San Antonio when he asked to be traded? They still did it because at the end of the day that's what they wanted to do. You can call this toxic individualism, but we all are self-interested/-motivated. Lamont, Keshad, and Kawhi did what was in their best interest. If you aren't , where as you decide your actions and decisions for the greater good, I tip my hat to you, because I am self-interest motivated, and once my interests are taken care of, sure, I can help you out, buddy. |
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Post by 84aztec96 on Apr 27, 2024 18:43:22 GMT -8
The key phrase is "for-profit workplace". Basketball is Lamonts job. He was loyal to his job while he worked here. Did a great job. Gave us one of the best if not the best sports moments in our life time. Now he has taken another job because they can pay him what he is worth.
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Post by fisher1fan on Apr 27, 2024 18:47:59 GMT -8
I'm sure anyone who knows him personally will root for him just as much as before (Dutch, his teammates, etc). But I don't know him and he knows that he's trading some good will within the city for extra cash. That's the decision he made. Seems straightforward to me. And it's probably the correct decision (depending on the money). If Miles Byrd goes off this year, I'd want Keshad and Lamont to tell him that Aztecs fans are gonna be pissed if he leaves, otherwise the transfer decision is super simple. Incentivizing leaving and being happy folks are transferring to blue bloods makes no sense to me.No offense but I doubt they'd care enough for it change their decision. Don't you think think Keshad and Lamont knew fans would be upset with them leaving? Or that Kawhi knew he'd piss off the entire city of San Antonio when he asked to be traded? They still did it because at the end of the day that's what they wanted to do. He said in his post “San Diego will always be my home”, then committed to leave 24 hours later. I’m confident he is a good guy….just not an Aztec for Life. Neither is Keshad. Personally, I wish them well. |
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Post by lemkotir on Apr 27, 2024 18:58:44 GMT -8
No offense but I doubt they'd care enough for it change their decision. Don't you think think Keshad and Lamont knew fans would be upset with them leaving? Or that Kawhi knew he'd piss off the entire city of San Antonio when he asked to be traded? They still did it because at the end of the day that's what they wanted to do. He said in his post “San Diego will always be my home”, then committed to leave 24 hours later. I’m confident he is a good guy….just not an Aztec for Life. Neither is Keshad. Personally, I wish them well. I think in his heart, SDSU is his home. I sort of kind of think of this like a professional player that started with a team, or played most of his career with a team, move onto a new team at the twilight of his career --- Carmelo Anthony would be a good example, he's always a NY Knicks to me, and I believe Knicks retired his jersey. He wouldn't even care for those coffee break stops he had at Houston, LA Lakers, and Portland Trail Blaers. Again, I sort of see this new era with NCAAM basketball player liberty/movement freedom like: - Personal relationships (dating, marriage)
- Career, job hopping
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Post by aztecterrier on Apr 27, 2024 20:37:59 GMT -8
The Shot IS an iconic moment for Aztecs basketball, and I was thrilled to witness it in person. Last year, we let the Final Four run be all about Butler, 'the hero', for good reason. For me, going forward it's a program milestone, nothing more.
I wish Lamont all the best in his future endeavors, but I will not be following them closely or with anticipation. Better times are ahead.
Go Aztecs.
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Post by missiontrails on Apr 27, 2024 21:04:26 GMT -8
Hopefully we can agree on a few things. Lamont leaving hurts, and it's not how anyone wanted to end up. The decision to transfer was purely a buisness one. It's useless to bicker about something that's already happened. Lamont might not be an Aztec legend like Kawahi or Gwynn, but for damn sure he's in the tier below them just for the shot. It's time to move on and focus on the kids that are here, and that are commited to the program like Byrd. I agree. The only thing that’s ridiculous about the whole thing is that Lamont could have been on the Kawhi Gwynn level depending on what happened next year. But he decided to chase money. But that’s his decision. The thing that I don’t understand are people saying it’s all good and you’re still an Aztec for life. People should be upset and voice their displeasure. We do need to focus on who we have. Our team is going to be stacked. It’s going to be fun to watch them develop. You've got to be kidding, bringing up Kawhi as a comparison. Kawhi left after TWO years as an Aztec to CHASE MONEY. Lamont left after FOUR years, which was what we would have all hoped for in the beginning anyway. By the way, I completely respect Kawhi's decision as well. You think both Keshad and Lamont returning for a 10-year reunion of the Final four team will be awkward? lol Lamont especially will be treated like royalty, even by the currently butthurt fans. None of these players owe us fans anything. Times have changed, and I hate the new NCAA environment as much or more so than anybody. But the players aren't to blame here. Better get used to it, because it's going to keep happening everywhere until the rules change or the whole thing implodes. Sadly, I fear it may be the latter. |
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Post by aztecterrier on Apr 27, 2024 21:14:18 GMT -8
I agree. The only thing that’s ridiculous about the whole thing is that Lamont could have been on the Kawhi Gwynn level depending on what happened next year. But he decided to chase money. But that’s his decision. The thing that I don’t understand are people saying it’s all good and you’re still an Aztec for life. People should be upset and voice their displeasure. We do need to focus on who we have. Our team is going to be stacked. It’s going to be fun to watch them develop. You've got to be kidding, bringing up Kawhi as a comparison. Kawhi left after TWO years as an Aztec to CHASE MONEY. Lamont left after FOUR years, which was what we would have all hoped for in the beginning anyway. By the way, I completely respect Kawhi's decision as well. You think both Keshad and Lamont returning for a 10-year reunion of the Final four team will be awkward? lol Lamont especially will be treated like royalty, even by the currently butthurt fans. None of these players owe us fans anything. Times have changed, and I hate the new NCAA environment as much or more so than anybody. But the players aren't to blame here. Better get used to it, because it's going to keep happening everywhere until the rules change or the whole thing implodes. Sadly, I fear it may be the latter. Must of missed the part where Kawhi left the Aztecs for another school. Kawhi = Aztec for Life Butler = 4 year Aztec letterman |
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Post by TPAztec on Apr 27, 2024 21:54:49 GMT -8
I agree. The only thing that’s ridiculous about the whole thing is that Lamont could have been on the Kawhi Gwynn level depending on what happened next year. But he decided to chase money. But that’s his decision. The thing that I don’t understand are people saying it’s all good and you’re still an Aztec for life. People should be upset and voice their displeasure. We do need to focus on who we have. Our team is going to be stacked. It’s going to be fun to watch them develop. You've got to be kidding, bringing up Kawhi as a comparison. Kawhi left after TWO years as an Aztec to CHASE MONEY. Lamont left after FOUR years, which was what we would have all hoped for in the beginning anyway. By the way, I completely respect Kawhi's decision as well. You think both Keshad and Lamont returning for a 10-year reunion of the Final four team will be awkward? lol Lamont especially will be treated like royalty, even by the currently butthurt fans. None of these players owe us fans anything. Times have changed, and I hate the new NCAA environment as much or more so than anybody. But the players aren't to blame here. Better get used to it, because it's going to keep happening everywhere until the rules change or the whole thing implodes. Sadly, I fear it may be the latter. Kawhi was leauge ready. Why would he stay any longer that he did? |
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Post by laaztec on Apr 27, 2024 22:38:52 GMT -8
I agree. The only thing that’s ridiculous about the whole thing is that Lamont could have been on the Kawhi Gwynn level depending on what happened next year. But he decided to chase money. But that’s his decision. The thing that I don’t understand are people saying it’s all good and you’re still an Aztec for life. People should be upset and voice their displeasure. We do need to focus on who we have. Our team is going to be stacked. It’s going to be fun to watch them develop. You've got to be kidding, bringing up Kawhi as a comparison. Kawhi left after TWO years as an Aztec to CHASE MONEY. Lamont left after FOUR years, which was what we would have all hoped for in the beginning anyway. By the way, I completely respect Kawhi's decision as well. You think both Keshad and Lamont returning for a 10-year reunion of the Final four team will be awkward? lol Lamont especially will be treated like royalty, even by the currently butthurt fans. None of these players owe us fans anything. Times have changed, and I hate the new NCAA environment as much or more so than anybody. But the players aren't to blame here. Better get used to it, because it's going to keep happening everywhere until the rules change or the whole thing implodes. Sadly, I fear it may be the latter. Only Simps/cucks will treat them like royalty. |
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Post by wakelaunch on Apr 27, 2024 23:44:53 GMT -8
Good to see money is the only thing you value. Gwynn made millions off of being a local SDer. He got car deals, etc. His son was set up for life. He got to be a sports broadcaster. He got a head coaching job with no coaching experience. He got to keep a college coaching job even though he wasn't winning. He was well taken care of by the community. Family and money. Good to know we have a new person on this site who has zero class or integrity |
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Post by smoothcat on Apr 28, 2024 0:56:47 GMT -8
Honestly I am fine with him trying to get as much money as possible. He is unlikely to sniff the NBA and deserves to make whatever he can. I also think it opens up some exciting new options for the roster with a guard who can shoot better.
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