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Post by 94sdsu on Apr 1, 2024 15:06:02 GMT -8
With the ACC appearing to be on very shaky ground, what's the best case scenario for SDSU in regards to conference realignment?
Obviously it was joining the PAC or Big 12 prior to D-Day (August 4, 2023), but those dreams are dead.
Is there any way we get into the Big 12? I don't think they want us any more after getting the 4 Corner schools and besides, who'd we "pair" with as I don't see them taking a single institution out west as it would complicate travel for in-coming teams?
Is a weakened ACC an option? Possibly, as we could be SMU's "travel partner", but would it be a conference worth joining if four of the top schools leave for the B10 or SEC and then schools like Duke and Louisville see the writing on the wall and join the Big 12, e.g. Utah, ASU, UA, and thus weaken it to a point that it essentially collapses?
For me, the best case is joining the Big 12, but I don't see how that can happen...
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Post by Den60 on Apr 1, 2024 15:27:12 GMT -8
Right now, I'd say a BoR conference with the PAC2 is our likely "best" outcome. It is possible that if some schools leave the ACC for the B1G and the SEC then the ACC could look to create a western pod to help stabilize Calford. However, I think the feds get into to things to "fix" the issues schools will start seeing next year in regards to extensive travel. A BoR PAC for me would be OSU, Wazzu, SDSU, UNLV, CSU, Memphis, Tulane and UTSA. Then one would wait to see if Calford would come back. With those ten you would likely approach about $11M/school. If you don't think Calford will return, then you can add Boise and Fresno. You could also look at AFA/Gonzaga and North Texas as well to get to 12. But, I really wouldn't have a problem with an 8 school conference when it comes to scheduling.
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Post by Ambivalent_Fan on Apr 1, 2024 15:40:31 GMT -8
The best case scenario is that the entire house of cards that is college athletics implodes and that the "power to be" create a new regional alignment for all non-football sports...at least in my opinion (not that this scenario will EVER happen)
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Post by AzTex on Apr 1, 2024 16:14:49 GMT -8
The best case scenario is that I wake up tomorrow morning and it's August 4, 2023. I only dreamed that the PAC disintegrated. Later we get the official word that the PAC 10 has agreed to a very good media contract and has officially invited us to join.
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Post by DeeMoney on Apr 1, 2024 16:21:54 GMT -8
The best case scenario is that the entire house of cards that is college athletics implodes and that the "power to be" create a new regional alignment for all non-football sports...at least in my opinion (not that this scenario will EVER happen) I don't see why others aren't seeing (or at least saying) this as an option. Let P3 football break free and become its own entity- outside of NCAA jurisdiction. Then all those FBS teams that don't make it to that new league realign for football that looks something like a mix of FCS and pre 1990s D1A. Once this happens, let all the conferences re-realign themselves into more traditional regionally based affiliations. Where You arent sending non money making sports half way across the country to compete week in and week out. This is the best possible end game for college athletics I can foresee. Sure there are a lot of questions that need to be answered along the way (does p3 football chip in for their school's other teams or are they a free entity, whats the new FBS look like, etc), but those are all things that can be taken care of along the way. Problem is, anyone who is a power broker doesnt want to be tied in to such an idea, because it can make them look bad for various reasons, mostly those non-P3 ADs don't want to look like small potatoes and try to sell themselves as dreaming big. But to me, this is the hope, for college sports as a whole. If this happens, SDSU probably doesnt get the call up to the P3, instead we re-align as one of best schools in the new FBS. Probably a little less $, but I don't think a doomsday situation. And we all still root on our team in search of a national title. |
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Post by standiego on Apr 2, 2024 12:25:51 GMT -8
SDSU can realistically try to improve its football team - new hype is still there then reality hits this fall - how well will the team perform
Hope that a revision is going to happen for the PAC and schools try to make it the best possible
SEC and BIG will enjoy their new teams and see if the numbers continue to grow for their games
Big 12 likely to survive as it stands or possibly add some from ACC
ACC who knows - can schools actually leave and at what price and if they try to get into a new conference - what will be the price - the SEC and BIG - do not have to offer them a full share -
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Post by 94sdsu on Apr 2, 2024 15:02:01 GMT -8
I just don't see the SEC being interested in Clemson or FSU. Yes, they're big brands, but they don't add TV media markets for the SEC, already having UF and South Carolina, which is what drives expansion. Miami could do it by bringing in S. Florida, but I think the SEC would really want UNC. That said, I believe UNC would prefer and B10 invite, but it seems as if the NC board of trustees just tied NCSt and UNC together, so ones not going without the other. So maybe the B10 takes FSU and Clemson, although I'm not even sure they'd do that as they'd be outliers, but I guess if they could get both, they would.
That means the SEC might be done expanding and if that's the case, the ACC should survive with just the lost of 2 schools. And then hopefully they'd want to back fill with some western schools to help out Calford and I would hope that SDSU would be at the top of their list.
Unfortunately, that's probably our best case, most realistic scenerio, of getting into an existing P4 league.
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Post by longtimebooster on Apr 3, 2024 6:35:35 GMT -8
I just don't see the SEC being interested in Clemson or FSU. Yes, they're big brands, but they don't add TV media markets for the SEC, already having UF and South Carolina, which is what drives expansion. Miami could do it by bringing in S. Florida, but I think the SEC would really want UNC. That said, I believe UNC would prefer and B10 invite, but it seems as if the NC board of trustees just tied NCSt and UNC together, so ones not going without the other. So maybe the B10 takes FSU and Clemson, although I'm not even sure they'd do that as they'd be outliers, but I guess if they could get both, they would. That means the SEC might be done expanding and if that's the case, the ACC should survive with just the lost of 2 schools. And then hopefully they'd want to back fill with some western schools to help out Calford and I would hope that SDSU would be at the top of their list. Unfortunately, that's probably our best case, most realistic scenerio, of getting into an existing P4 league. So, you're advocating for an ACC West division? I'm good with that. But after all is said and done, it would end up looking like a reformulated Pac 12, which I think would be the best option. All these schools are truly West Coast universities. The farthest east school is Las Vegas. None of this Rocky Mountain nonsense. The league's tagline could be "All attitude, no altitude." Pac 9
Stanford Cal Wash. St. Ore. St. SDSU UNLV Boise St. Fresno St. Nevada |
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Post by heuschele on Apr 3, 2024 6:43:10 GMT -8
I just don't see the SEC being interested in Clemson or FSU. Yes, they're big brands, but they don't add TV media markets for the SEC, already having UF and South Carolina, which is what drives expansion. Miami could do it by bringing in S. Florida, but I think the SEC would really want UNC. That said, I believe UNC would prefer and B10 invite, but it seems as if the NC board of trustees just tied NCSt and UNC together, so ones not going without the other. So maybe the B10 takes FSU and Clemson, although I'm not even sure they'd do that as they'd be outliers, but I guess if they could get both, they would. That means the SEC might be done expanding and if that's the case, the ACC should survive with just the lost of 2 schools. And then hopefully they'd want to back fill with some western schools to help out Calford and I would hope that SDSU would be at the top of their list. Unfortunately, that's probably our best case, most realistic scenerio, of getting into an existing P4 league. So, you're advocating for an ACC West division? I'm good with that. But after all is said and done, it would end up looking like a reformulated Pac 12, which I think would be the best option. All these schools are truly West Coast universities. The farthest east school is Las Vegas. None of this Rocky Mountain nonsense. The league's tagline could be "All attitude, no altitude." Pac 9
Stanford Cal Wash. St. Ore. St. SDSU UNLV Boise St. Fresno St. Nevada University of Nevada is 4500’ and BSU is 2700’. |
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Post by standiego on Apr 3, 2024 6:47:23 GMT -8
think ESPN is doing the TV deal for the ACC - would they prefer a Western Division and Eastern Division or for the ACC to fold
this fall they will be televising SEC and Big 12 -
What makes the most Cents for ESPN
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Post by Den60 on Apr 3, 2024 7:54:49 GMT -8
So, you're advocating for an ACC West division? I'm good with that. But after all is said and done, it would end up looking like a reformulated Pac 12, which I think would be the best option. All these schools are truly West Coast universities. The farthest east school is Las Vegas. None of this Rocky Mountain nonsense. The league's tagline could be "All attitude, no altitude." Pac 9
Stanford Cal Wash. St. Ore. St. SDSU UNLV Boise St. Fresno St. Nevada University of Nevada is 4500’ and BSU is 2700’. And UNLV is at 2,100'. |
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Post by jp92grad on Apr 3, 2024 8:13:23 GMT -8
I just don't see the SEC being interested in Clemson or FSU. Yes, they're big brands, but they don't add TV media markets for the SEC, already having UF and South Carolina, which is what drives expansion. Miami could do it by bringing in S. Florida, but I think the SEC would really want UNC. That said, I believe UNC would prefer and B10 invite, but it seems as if the NC board of trustees just tied NCSt and UNC together, so ones not going without the other. So maybe the B10 takes FSU and Clemson, although I'm not even sure they'd do that as they'd be outliers, but I guess if they could get both, they would. That means the SEC might be done expanding and if that's the case, the ACC should survive with just the lost of 2 schools. And then hopefully they'd want to back fill with some western schools to help out Calford and I would hope that SDSU would be at the top of their list. Unfortunately, that's probably our best case, most realistic scenerio, of getting into an existing P4 league. So, you're advocating for an ACC West division? I'm good with that. But after all is said and done, it would end up looking like a reformulated Pac 12, which I think would be the best option. All these schools are truly West Coast universities. The farthest east school is Las Vegas. None of this Rocky Mountain nonsense. The league's tagline could be "All attitude, no altitude." Pac 9
Stanford Cal Wash. St. Ore. St. SDSU UNLV Boise St. Fresno St. Nevada I like this idea, would like it even more if they could some how include the 2 Arizona schools back into the mix. The main reason I would like to see the 2 Arizona schools would be for the viewership. This would really help to squeeze the UCLA and USC market with having SDSU, Fresno, CalFord, UNLV and Arizona. I know they are different crowds but having a Conference with the programs above would help to establish Doable Rivalries that I think people would get behind. I also like the part about No Rocky Mountain stuff and no more New Mexico or Wyoming (have no issues with UNR and Boise, easy airport access) |
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Post by aztecbo on Apr 3, 2024 9:15:31 GMT -8
What I would eventually like to see when some of the recent defectors regret their moves is a whole new regional division of the NCAA based only on the west side of the Rockies. Games scheduled throughout the day (especially after the weather cools down) and tailored to a western audience with an emphasis on attendance at the games.
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Post by longtimebooster on Apr 3, 2024 9:34:56 GMT -8
University of Nevada is 4500’ and BSU is 2700’. And UNLV is at 2,100'. Oxygen thins out at a log rhythmic rate as one ascends in elevation. The thinning of oxygen doesn’t start having a noticeable effect until you start going higher than 4,000 ft. SDSU is at about 800 ft. Vegas and Boise have negligible altitudes as it relates to thin air. Reno’s a tad annoying, but given their location and convenient location, I think they can be accommodated. Places like WYO, CSU, ABQ, AFA and USU are really problematic due to both altitude and the necessity to bus from the airport to the arena/stadia. |
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Post by standiego on Apr 3, 2024 9:41:59 GMT -8
When the season starts this fall the SEC and BIG will be the national draw for most of the average fans - while others will follow their "home" school
The Big 12 / will it actually be the Big 16 ? likely to be a few tiers below
ACC who knows and at what level
PAC under roadside construction for possibly up to 2 years as OSU and ESU try to reorganize the PAC
Not sure SDSU can do anything that affects things other then hope that the football team can try to be closer to the top of the MW and that Fans continue to Watch/tape the games that are on TV - if they can find them
Trust that the new HC might make some suggestions to the AD about marketing the new Aztec Fast like team
Trust SDSU would be prepared for a New PAC and possibly a better TV deal
As mentioned who knows what becomes of the ACC - dependent on if the ACC survives and what teams - are remaining - what might ESPN want with the ACC and at what price
So unfortunately not that much SDSU can do off the field
Also agree that unless a MW Mountain school has an incredible amount of Viewers prefer those schools be avoided - Many say CSU is a good school to have but compare the TV audiences of both schools CSU and U of Colorado and you realize CSU does not have the draw the Buffs have and especially now with Coach Prime . AFA has the following of their alums but not that much . In addition the terrible bus rides
It is the same for all Schools for TV/Media what are your Viewers' numbers
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Post by Gundo on Apr 3, 2024 10:40:37 GMT -8
According to college football media expert Jim Williams, six teams would be logical choices for the ACC to consider adding through expansion. It's important to recognize that while these schools may not fully replace the brands or markets lost, they could still benefit the conference. These teams include Memphis, USF (University of South Florida), Tulane, UConn (University of Connecticut), Washington State, and Oregon State.
I don't see SDSU in this option, if the PAC2 schools take an easier option of expansion, rather than rebuilding the PAC12 conference.
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Post by 94sdsu on Apr 4, 2024 14:07:08 GMT -8
According to college football media expert Jim Williams, six teams would be logical choices for the ACC to consider adding through expansion. It's important to recognize that while these schools may not fully replace the brands or markets lost, they could still benefit the conference. These teams include Memphis, USF (University of South Florida), Tulane, UConn (University of Connecticut), Washington State, and Oregon State. I don't see SDSU in this option, if the PAC2 schools take an easier option of expansion, rather than rebuilding the PAC12 conference. I realistically don't see SDSU getting into the ACC. If they expand and Calford pushes for a couple of west schools, the PAC 2 are the most likely choices. They'd have to expand by 4 out west for us to get in and I doubt they'd do that with more regional options |
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Post by hoobs on Apr 4, 2024 14:36:44 GMT -8
I'm not so sure. Expanding by 2 only gives them 5 schools west of the Mississippi... not much coverage of the non-East Coast time zones. Going to 7 (or 8) schools 'out west' would bring the ACC closer in line with the Big12 in being able to offer coast to coast programming. It's even debatable if SDSU might be more appealing than either WA St or OR St anyway. But... adding the Pac 2, SDSU, UNLV, and Tulane would give an 8-team western arm would make for some much more pragmatic ways to arrange travel.
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Post by zurac315 on Apr 4, 2024 15:15:38 GMT -8
We'll never get out of the MWC. Fate will not let us out. Flame away!  |
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Post by AZTEC4LIFE1992 on Apr 4, 2024 15:39:17 GMT -8
I just don't see the SEC being interested in Clemson or FSU. Yes, they're big brands, but they don't add TV media markets for the SEC, already having UF and South Carolina, which is what drives expansion. Miami could do it by bringing in S. Florida, but I think the SEC would really want UNC. That said, I believe UNC would prefer and B10 invite, but it seems as if the NC board of trustees just tied NCSt and UNC together, so ones not going without the other. So maybe the B10 takes FSU and Clemson, although I'm not even sure they'd do that as they'd be outliers, but I guess if they could get both, they would. That means the SEC might be done expanding and if that's the case, the ACC should survive with just the lost of 2 schools. And then hopefully they'd want to back fill with some western schools to help out Calford and I would hope that SDSU would be at the top of their list. Unfortunately, that's probably our best case, most realistic scenerio, of getting into an existing P4 league. So, you're advocating for an ACC West division? I'm good with that. But after all is said and done, it would end up looking like a reformulated Pac 12, which I think would be the best option. All these schools are truly West Coast universities. The farthest east school is Las Vegas. None of this Rocky Mountain nonsense. The league's tagline could be "All attitude, no altitude." Pac 9
Stanford Cal Wash. St. Ore. St. SDSU UNLV Boise St. Fresno St. Nevada No reason for Fresno if we have the bay area schools. No reason for Nevada replace those with SMU at Tulane. |
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