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Post by The Aztec Panther on Aug 18, 2023 8:27:05 GMT -8
I'm sure he'll probably have a Coke machine in the cell next to him...I think they ought to put him in a super-max prison...I want to make sure he is safe and secure. More likely it's the exact opposite. Club Fed. IF he lives long enough to get convicted. These trials could take forever if his legal team is halfway competent. |
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 18, 2023 9:44:57 GMT -8
More likely it's the exact opposite. Club Fed. IF he lives long enough to get convicted. These trials could take forever if his legal team is halfway competent. Might even be house arrest. |
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Post by La Mesa Aztec on Aug 18, 2023 19:58:32 GMT -8
Yes house arrest. He'll be able to get all the Diet Cokes he wants.
I voted Trump because I expect him to be the nominee not because I support him. Too many brainwashed idiots in the Grand Old Party these days. It's very sad.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Aug 19, 2023 12:43:47 GMT -8
Yes house arrest. He'll be able to get all the Diet Cokes he wants. I voted Trump because I expect him to be the nominee not because I support him. Too many brainwashed idiots in the Grand Old Party these days. It's very sad.It's pathetic. People unable to think for themselves. People for whom critical thinking isn't possible anymore. They're so blinded by tribalism and partisanship that they just think in terms of, "My guy good, other guy bad." Pathetic. Espcecially considering what a corrupt, fascist, moronic scumbag Trump is. |
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 19, 2023 12:53:31 GMT -8
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Post by ptsdthor on Aug 23, 2023 20:37:59 GMT -8
The clowns are saying that the Constition can take away a person's rights without having to give that same person the right to due process guaranteed in the Constitution. It's absurd on its face. The True Believers would give non-citizens all the rights of our Constitution but would deny the same to their political enemy who is a US citizen. They are saying, our loud, that we should be a Banana Republic. |
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 23, 2023 20:52:26 GMT -8
The clowns are saying that the Constition can take away a person's rights without having to give that same person the right to due process guaranteed in the Constitution. It's absurd on its face. The True Believers would give non-citizens all the rights of our Constitution but would deny the same to their political enemy who is a US citizen. They are saying, our loud, that we should be a Banana Republic. That's not what anyone is saying here...at all. By the way, the "clown" here is a lifelong Republican who worked in the Reagan administration, was appointed to the bench by George H.W. Bush and served for 15 years in the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals. He's now an Independent, as of this year. You do not have the right to violate the 14th Amendment without consequence. It does not require a criminal conviction. It does not require Congress to act. Due process applies to the Fifth Amendment, which isn't relevant to the discussion here. Nobody has threatened to remove Trump's due process. He's entitled to the same protections everyone else is under the law. |
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Post by sdsuball on Aug 23, 2023 21:55:16 GMT -8
The clowns are saying that the Constition can take away a person's rights without having to give that same person the right to due process guaranteed in the Constitution. It's absurd on its face. The True Believers would give non-citizens all the rights of our Constitution but would deny the same to their political enemy who is a US citizen. They are saying, our loud, that we should be a Banana Republic. "Couy Griffin, a local commissioner in New Mexico, was also removed from office and barred from holding office again because of his role in the January 6 riot, marking the first time the 14th Amendment had been used to remove someone since 1869." www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2023/08/22/can-trump-be-disqualified-from-the-presidency-why-even-conservative-legal-experts-are-in-favor-of-it/?sh=3e78af9839fb |
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Post by uwphoto on Aug 24, 2023 6:44:57 GMT -8
I think trump is going to pick Ramaswamy as VP..perfect yes man....and checks a couple boxes.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 24, 2023 7:57:20 GMT -8
I think trump is going to pick Ramaswamy as VP..perfect yes man....and checks a couple boxes. One of those boxes being he's a complete liar and insane. |
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Post by uwphoto on Aug 24, 2023 8:40:56 GMT -8
I think trump is going to pick Ramaswamy as VP..perfect yes man....and checks a couple boxes. One of those boxes being he's a complete liar and insane. well.....those are 2 critical boxes for trump.. n'est pas? |
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Post by ptsdthor on Aug 24, 2023 16:08:04 GMT -8
The clowns are saying that the Constition can take away a person's rights without having to give that same person the right to due process guaranteed in the Constitution. It's absurd on its face. The True Believers would give non-citizens all the rights of our Constitution but would deny the same to their political enemy who is a US citizen. They are saying, our loud, that we should be a Banana Republic. "Couy Griffin, a local commissioner in New Mexico, was also removed from office and barred from holding office again because of his role in the January 6 riot, marking the first time the 14th Amendment had been used to remove someone since 1869." www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2023/08/22/can-trump-be-disqualified-from-the-presidency-why-even-conservative-legal-experts-are-in-favor-of-it/?sh=3e78af9839fbGriffin was sentenced in federal court in June to 14 days in jail over his role in the riot, two months after he was convicted in a bench trial of a misdemeanor count of entering and remaining on restricted grounds on Jan. 6, 2021. So we are talking apples and oranges. The clowns in question say that Trump should be disqualified via the 14th without needing to be found guilty of insurrection. They want some judge to deny Trump's Constitutional rights without due process. Banana Republic. |
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Post by bnastyaztecs on Aug 24, 2023 16:15:47 GMT -8
Griffin was sentenced in federal court in June to 14 days in jail over his role in the riot, two months after he was convicted in a bench trial of a misdemeanor count of entering and remaining on restricted grounds on Jan. 6, 2021. So we are talking apples and oranges. The clowns in question say that Trump should be disqualified via the 14th without needing to be found guilty of insurrection. They want some judge to deny Trump's Constitutional rights without due process. Banana Republic. People are suspended from all sorts of occupations/jobs on mere accusation...Trump has 91 felony counts...a reasonable person would say that disqualifies anybody...especially for the job of president of the U.S....nothing unusual or Banana Republic about that...... |
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 24, 2023 16:18:37 GMT -8
Griffin was sentenced in federal court in June to 14 days in jail over his role in the riot, two months after he was convicted in a bench trial of a misdemeanor count of entering and remaining on restricted grounds on Jan. 6, 2021. So we are talking apples and oranges. The clowns in question say that Trump should be disqualified via the 14th without needing to be found guilty of insurrection. They want some judge to deny Trump's Constitutional rights without due process. Banana Republic. You need to re-read the amendment. |
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Post by ptsdthor on Aug 24, 2023 16:20:00 GMT -8
The clowns are saying that the Constition can take away a person's rights without having to give that same person the right to due process guaranteed in the Constitution. It's absurd on its face. The True Believers would give non-citizens all the rights of our Constitution but would deny the same to their political enemy who is a US citizen. They are saying, our loud, that we should be a Banana Republic. That's not what anyone is saying here...at all. By the way, the "clown" here is a lifelong Republican who worked in the Reagan administration, was appointed to the bench by George H.W. Bush and served for 15 years in the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals. He's now an Independent, as of this year. You do not have the right to violate the 14th Amendment without consequence. It does not require a criminal conviction. It does not require Congress to act. Due process applies to the Fifth Amendment, which isn't relevant to the discussion here. Nobody has threatened to remove Trump's due process. He's entitled to the same protections everyone else is under the law. The claim by the clowns is that Trump should have his rights denied because of his participation in an insurrection without having been found guilty of participating in an insurrection. What don't you get? It is effectively a conviction by accusation alone. Absurd! |
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 24, 2023 16:36:06 GMT -8
That's not what anyone is saying here...at all. By the way, the "clown" here is a lifelong Republican who worked in the Reagan administration, was appointed to the bench by George H.W. Bush and served for 15 years in the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals. He's now an Independent, as of this year. You do not have the right to violate the 14th Amendment without consequence. It does not require a criminal conviction. It does not require Congress to act. Due process applies to the Fifth Amendment, which isn't relevant to the discussion here. Nobody has threatened to remove Trump's due process. He's entitled to the same protections everyone else is under the law. The claim by the clowns is that Trump should have his rights denied because of his participation in an insurrection without having been found guilty of participating in an insurrection. What don't you get? It is effectively a conviction by accusation alone. Absurd! What don't YOU get? The 14th Amendment (Section 3) prohibits anyone from seeking public office who engaged in an act of insurrection against the United States. It doesn't require a criminal conviction. You don't have the "right" to be president if you created rebellion against your own country. Might want to brush up on the Constitution. What exactly is being denied from your hero? |
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Post by ptsdthor on Aug 24, 2023 16:57:51 GMT -8
Griffin was sentenced in federal court in June to 14 days in jail over his role in the riot, two months after he was convicted in a bench trial of a misdemeanor count of entering and remaining on restricted grounds on Jan. 6, 2021. So we are talking apples and oranges. The clowns in question say that Trump should be disqualified via the 14th without needing to be found guilty of insurrection. They want some judge to deny Trump's Constitutional rights without due process. Banana Republic. People are suspended from all sorts of occupations/jobs on mere accusation...Trump has 91 felony counts...a reasonable person would say that disqualifies anybody...especially for the job of president of the U.S....nothing unusual or Banana Republic about that...... Where am I? Where is the presumption of innocence? In the cases where people are relieved from jobs based on accusation alone, they have due process available to them and can contest and overturn those actions if the accusation is unfounded. I wouldn't put it past some would be Banana Republic Judge from making the claim that Trump can't run but it wouldn't survive the due process owed Trump if they did (as things stand now, anyhow). It would be a Banana Republic move for political purposes alone, not a legitimate legal move. |
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Post by ptsdthor on Aug 24, 2023 17:02:22 GMT -8
The claim by the clowns is that Trump should have his rights denied because of his participation in an insurrection without having been found guilty of participating in an insurrection. What don't you get? It is effectively a conviction by accusation alone. Absurd! What don't YOU get? The 14th Amendment (Section 3) prohibits anyone from seeking public office who engaged in an act of insurrection against the United States. It doesn't require a criminal conviction. You don't have the "right" to be president if you created rebellion against your own country. Might want to brush up on the Constitution. What exactly is being denied from your hero? The issue is our constitutionally protected right to due process. You can't say someone created rebellion and have that person held accountable for that action without proving he committed that action in the first place. It is leftist bizarro world! Is "drop a dime" justice. |
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 24, 2023 17:10:58 GMT -8
What don't YOU get? The 14th Amendment (Section 3) prohibits anyone from seeking public office who engaged in an act of insurrection against the United States. It doesn't require a criminal conviction. You don't have the "right" to be president if you created rebellion against your own country. Might want to brush up on the Constitution. What exactly is being denied from your hero? The issue is our constitutionally protected right to due process. You can't say someone created rebellion and have that person held accountable for that action without proving he committed that action in the first place. It is leftist bizarro world! Is "drop a dime" justice. False. You are conflating multiple issues here and the determination is incorrect. |
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Post by ptsdthor on Aug 24, 2023 17:17:10 GMT -8
Griffin was sentenced in federal court in June to 14 days in jail over his role in the riot, two months after he was convicted in a bench trial of a misdemeanor count of entering and remaining on restricted grounds on Jan. 6, 2021. So we are talking apples and oranges. The clowns in question say that Trump should be disqualified via the 14th without needing to be found guilty of insurrection. They want some judge to deny Trump's Constitutional rights without due process. Banana Republic. You need to re-read the amendment. Does it say that a person should be prohibited from holding office or running for President if they may or may have not committed rebellion? Read it indeed! |
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