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Post by johneaztec on Jun 7, 2024 11:32:19 GMT -8
And I'm saying it's correct. Okay, but try to expand beyond "It would look bad." Critical thought? Democrat voters? Don't care about Hunter. MAGA voters? Care, but aren't voting for Biden anyway, in any universe. Are you afraid of tossup voters? Five months out? It makes very little sense if you actually think about it. The only people that would be outraged are ones not voting for Biden in the first place. I think there's obvious reasons why he wouldn't want to say at this point in time, that he'd pardon his son. More Bad optics for one. He doesn't want any controversies right before the election, etc.... |
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 7, 2024 11:50:03 GMT -8
Okay, but try to expand beyond "It would look bad." Critical thought? Democrat voters? Don't care about Hunter. MAGA voters? Care, but aren't voting for Biden anyway, in any universe. Are you afraid of tossup voters? Five months out? It makes very little sense if you actually think about it. The only people that would be outraged are ones not voting for Biden in the first place. I think there's obvious reasons why he wouldn't want to say at this point in time, that he'd pardon his son. More Bad optics for one. He doesn't want any controversies right before the election, etc.... I'm lost, that makes no sense at all. He DID say it, in a televised interview with David Muir. This isn't "right before the election" either, it's June. The trial is going to be long over by the time November comes around. More bad optics for *whom*? "He doesn't want any controversy"? You're grasping at generalities. He said he won't issue a pardon, he won't issue a pardon. There's no "controversy" there. The MAGA crowd expects him to issue a pardon, but they aren't voting for him. The Democrat crowd doesn't care, based on polling...and tossup voters? They are worried about actual issues like the economy, immigration, jobs, etc. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 7, 2024 12:21:31 GMT -8
I think there's obvious reasons why he wouldn't want to say at this point in time, that he'd pardon his son. More Bad optics for one. He doesn't want any controversies right before the election, etc.... I'm lost, that makes no sense at all. He DID say it, in a televised interview with David Muir. This isn't "right before the election" either, it's June. The trial is going to be long over by the time November comes around. More bad optics for *whom*? "He doesn't want any controversy"? You're grasping at generalities. He said he won't issue a pardon, he won't issue a pardon. There's no "controversy" there. The MAGA crowd expects him to issue a pardon, but they aren't voting for him. The Democrat crowd doesn't care, based on polling...and tossup voters? They are worried about actual issues like the economy, immigration, jobs, etc. You're lost? I'm lost!!!. What are you talking about when you say he's already said it. Well yeah!!! I've said, twice now, that he doesn't want to say that he WOULD pardon him. It's in an election year and 5 months away. Get. Real. The controversy would be if he DID say that he would pardon him. I'm lost, again. Who cares if the trial will be over before November, he could still pardon him after reelection. Ugh. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 7, 2024 12:27:09 GMT -8
I'm lost, that makes no sense at all. He DID say it, in a televised interview with David Muir. This isn't "right before the election" either, it's June. The trial is going to be long over by the time November comes around. More bad optics for *whom*? "He doesn't want any controversy"? You're grasping at generalities. He said he won't issue a pardon, he won't issue a pardon. There's no "controversy" there. The MAGA crowd expects him to issue a pardon, but they aren't voting for him. The Democrat crowd doesn't care, based on polling...and tossup voters? They are worried about actual issues like the economy, immigration, jobs, etc. You're lost? I'm lost!!!. What are you talking about when you say he's already said it. Well yeah!!! I've said, twice now, that he doesn't want to say that he WOULD pardon him. It's in an election year and 5 months away. You trying to Get. Real. I'm lost, again. Who cares if the trial will be over before November, he could still pardon him after reelection. Ugh. I think you're trying way too hard to undermine the credibility of someone who actually has the integrity to *not* undermine the law. We'll see, but I don't think any kind of controversy is on the mind of the president. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 7, 2024 12:44:04 GMT -8
You're lost? I'm lost!!!. What are you talking about when you say he's already said it. Well yeah!!! I've said, twice now, that he doesn't want to say that he WOULD pardon him. It's in an election year and 5 months away. You trying to Get. Real. I'm lost, again. Who cares if the trial will be over before November, he could still pardon him after reelection. Ugh. I think you're trying way too hard to undermine the credibility of someone who actually has the integrity to *not* undermine the law. We'll see, but I don't think any kind of controversy is on the mind of the president. I'm not trying to undermine his credibility. I'm saying that ANYBODY that's in his position, at this point in time, would not say that he would pardon his son. I think he probably would live up to his word, but when it's flesh and blood, emotions can change. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 7, 2024 13:44:22 GMT -8
I think you're trying way too hard to undermine the credibility of someone who actually has the integrity to *not* undermine the law. We'll see, but I don't think any kind of controversy is on the mind of the president. I'm not trying to undermine his credibility. I'm saying that ANYBODY that's in his position, at this point in time, would not say that he would pardon his son. I think he probably would live up to his word, but when it's flesh and blood, emotions can change. I guarantee you that that isn't true. Donald Trump would absolutely pardon his son, point blank. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 11, 2024 7:19:14 GMT -8
Hunter Biden found guilty on federal gun charges in Delaware this morning.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jun 11, 2024 7:51:48 GMT -8
Huh. Neither Hunter nor his father once said that the prosecutors and the judge were corrupt. Neither one of them said that these were bogus charges filed for political reasons (even though they were, since this all started under Trump).
And isn't it funny that the pro-gun folks are suddenly in favor of gun restrictions when it comes to Hunter Biden.
Funny, that.
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 11, 2024 7:53:12 GMT -8
The question is, will be get jail time? Probably not as first time offender. He could get up to 25 years with a financial penalty. I'm guessing probation with a financial penalty.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 11, 2024 8:02:14 GMT -8
The question is, will be get jail time? Probably not as first time offender. He could get up to 25 years with a financial penalty. I'm guessing probation with a financial penalty. 25 years is so irresponsible by the media, it's just clickbait nonsense. The gun wasn't used in commission of a crime or any violent act, it was disposed of in a dumpster. Nobody on Earth is getting 25 years. The federal sentencing guidelines are 15-21 months. As a first time offender in a non-violent crime that likely should never have been charged in the first place, it's a likely fine and probation, which will probably have the MAGA crowd in an uproar (again) over the sentencing. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 11, 2024 8:13:54 GMT -8
Huh. Neither Hunter nor his father once said that the prosecutors and the judge were corrupt. Neither one of them said that these were bogus charges filed for political reasons (even though they were, since this all started under Trump). And isn't it funny that the pro-gun folks are suddenly in favor of gun restrictions when it comes to Hunter Biden. Funny, that. Garland could have fired David Weiss. Biden could have pardoned Hunter before the trial even began. No press conferences. No Truth Social outbursts. No gag orders. No doxxing of the jury, the judge, their families or anyone else. Predictably, now it's a "misdirect" protecting Biden from worse consequences. That didn't take long. |
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Post by uwphoto on Jun 11, 2024 9:01:58 GMT -8
Huh. Neither Hunter nor his father once said that the prosecutors and the judge were corrupt. Neither one of them said that these were bogus charges filed for political reasons (even though they were, since this all started under Trump). And isn't it funny that the pro-gun folks are suddenly in favor of gun restrictions when it comes to Hunter Biden. Funny, that. Garland could have fired David Weiss. Biden could have pardoned Hunter before the trial even began. No press conferences. No Truth Social outbursts. No gag orders. No doxxing of the jury, the judge, their families or anyone else. Predictably, now it's a "misdirect" protecting Biden from worse consequences. That didn't take long. I understand what you are saying here...and predictable. I do have some conservative friends, but they aren't crazy, and or, hypocritical unethical unintelligent lying cult members. I find myself hating the magas more and more each day. Not an emotion that feels good or what I am used to over the many years I've been around. I seriously would be out of the US like yesterday, if it wasn't for family issues. The American punch bowl has had a big orange $#!+ taken in it....and the assholes are going to drink it. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 11, 2024 9:19:57 GMT -8
Garland could have fired David Weiss. Biden could have pardoned Hunter before the trial even began. No press conferences. No Truth Social outbursts. No gag orders. No doxxing of the jury, the judge, their families or anyone else. Predictably, now it's a "misdirect" protecting Biden from worse consequences. That didn't take long. I understand what you are saying here...and predictable. I do have some conservative friends, but they aren't crazy, and or, hypocritical unethical unintelligent lying cult members. I find myself hating the magas more and more each day. Not an emotion that feels good or what I am used to over the many years I've been around. I seriously would be out of the US like yesterday, if it wasn't for family issues. The American punch bowl has had a big orange $#!+ taken in it....and the assholes are going to drink it. Hate is a useless emotion. Once they've already been gaslit and conditioned, there's nothing you can do. They have to keep the illusion going. They have to keep the logical fallacy intact. Now it's "Biden is using his only surviving son to protect himself." Or whatever mental gymnastics they have to do to keep it up. |
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Post by uwphoto on Jun 11, 2024 9:35:56 GMT -8
I understand what you are saying here...and predictable. I do have some conservative friends, but they aren't crazy, and or, hypocritical unethical unintelligent lying cult members. I find myself hating the magas more and more each day. Not an emotion that feels good or what I am used to over the many years I've been around. I seriously would be out of the US like yesterday, if it wasn't for family issues. The American punch bowl has had a big orange $#!+ taken in it....and the assholes are going to drink it. Hate is a useless emotion. Once they've already been gaslit and conditioned, there's nothing you can do. They have to keep the illusion going. They have to keep the logical fallacy intact. Now it's "Biden is using his only surviving son to protect himself." Or whatever mental gymnastics they have to do to keep it up. Of course hate is a negative, unproductive and unhealthy emotion. Maybe dissolutioned and saddened are closer. I grew up with "the greater good" mindset and watched mankind's great advancements in science, social advancement, technology and the Arts. I really feel like I'm watching a train wreck. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 11, 2024 9:47:28 GMT -8
Hate is a useless emotion. Once they've already been gaslit and conditioned, there's nothing you can do. They have to keep the illusion going. They have to keep the logical fallacy intact. Now it's "Biden is using his only surviving son to protect himself." Or whatever mental gymnastics they have to do to keep it up. Of course hate is a negative, unproductive and unhealthy emotion. Maybe dissolutioned and saddened are closer. I grew up with "the greater good" mindset and watched mankind's great advancements in science, social advancement, technology and the Arts. I really feel like I'm watching a train wreck. Just remember that at the ballot box. |
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Post by uwphoto on Jun 11, 2024 9:48:51 GMT -8
Of course hate is a negative, unproductive and unhealthy emotion. Maybe dissolutioned and saddened are closer. I grew up with "the greater good" mindset and watched mankind's great advancements in science, social advancement, technology and the Arts. I really feel like I'm watching a train wreck. Just remember that at the ballot box. haha...of course. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 11, 2024 10:34:59 GMT -8
Just remember that at the ballot box. haha...of course. Once you realize that the grift has no choice to continue, it becomes easier to ignore. They don't have another choice, it's just the process they follow so the house of cards doesn't collapse on itself. Most of them don't believe it fully. |
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Post by bnastyaztecs on Jun 11, 2024 10:35:48 GMT -8
Hunter is the sacrificial lamb in all this...the "crime" that he got convicted of is unconstitutional...as my right-wing 2nd Amendment brethren can easily recite...there shall be no infringement to gun ownership...dope heads need protection too!...now that the precedent has been made...anyone pulled over with a weapon...and happen to have a joint on them too...or under the influence...can now be charged with this same felony...Hunter's conviction is just cover to sentence Trump to home incarceration.....
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Post by aardvark on Jun 12, 2024 8:35:54 GMT -8
Hunter may not be pardoned by his father, but his sentence could be commuted--whatever it may be.
And if Hunter's sentence is commuted? So be it. Say what you will about Joe Biden, but he hasn't had the best of luck in his family with the loss of his first wife and two of his children.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 12, 2024 10:00:30 GMT -8
Hunter may not be pardoned by his father, but his sentence could be commuted--whatever it may be. And if Hunter's sentence is commuted? So be it. Say what you will about Joe Biden, but he hasn't had the best of luck in his family with the loss of his first wife and two of his children. Fox immediately ran an entire segment about this. It's like...we have nothing better to talk about? (Rhetorical, given the source.) |
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