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Post by azteclou on Apr 25, 2023 16:56:19 GMT -8
Correction. I refer to posts on page 412. Here's another thing: The thread has pretty much gone down hill for some time. WLR Unless you see--from your perspective---some harm, coming to the board, or individuals, then why block it? The worst that can happen is that it deteriorates on a declining asymptotic curve and finally sublimates, OR, as Emotional Aztec put it: " ... runs out a gas."
If you shut this one down an exact duplicate will pop up in a New York minute. I say let it ride. |
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Post by AzTex on Apr 25, 2023 17:10:34 GMT -8
All that will happen if this threads gets locked is there will be 6 more created with the same basic posts within a very short time. Let's keep all this discussion here until the invite ceases to be speculation.
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Post by Yoda on Apr 25, 2023 17:21:14 GMT -8
How on point the discussion is varies from one day to the next, driven largely by how much news or how much reporting comes out that day. There will be slow days with inane content -- it's inevitable, especially given how long the TV contract / expansion process is taking. But when something germaine hits the internet, focus returns. Obviously, my opinion doesn't matter, but I'd leave it open.
Better that than having multiple threads...
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Post by Gundo on Apr 25, 2023 17:23:51 GMT -8
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Post by laaztec on Apr 25, 2023 17:48:09 GMT -8
The article is actually from 3 days ago. Looks like the Tucson paper is just getting around to posting it today. |
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Post by socalaztecfan on Apr 25, 2023 18:18:20 GMT -8
Wilner is not saying that, it's a question from probably a Big 12 honk for his mailbag. |
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Post by socalaztecfan on Apr 25, 2023 18:19:09 GMT -8
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Post by Gundo on Apr 25, 2023 20:29:45 GMT -8
Adela de la Torre promised the students & community to make progress at SDSU toward offering independent doctorates, and R1 status.
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Post by Yoda on Apr 26, 2023 6:38:17 GMT -8
I don't know if this guy is full of it or what, but I think he's a Utah fan and not a Big 12 propogandist. If true, this would not be good for either of our schools ==> youtube.com/shorts/UNq1Vt72SIE?feature=shareEDIT: Actually, it may or may not be good news for our schools. It depends on the details. Assuming the number is right, is it net of production costs or does the per school take fall another $8 mil for those costs. And is it 20% streaming or 80% streaming or what? I think if most of it is linear and the figure is net of production costs and the contract isn't for much more than 5-6 years, then the conference would be fine with it. Other than that, who knows? And, of course, that assumes that the guy isn't full of crap in the first place. |
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Post by Den60 on Apr 26, 2023 6:56:11 GMT -8
I don't know if this guy is full of it or what, but I think he's a Utah fan and not a Big 12 propogandist. If true, this would not be good for either of our schools ==> youtube.com/shorts/UNq1Vt72SIE?feature=shareEDIT: Actually, it may or may not be good news for our schools. It depends on the details. Assuming the number is right, is it net of production costs or does the per school take fall another $8 mil for those costs. And is it 20% streaming or 80% streaming or what? I think if most of it is linear and the figure is net of production costs and the contract isn't for much more than 5-6 years, then the conference would be fine with it. Other than that, who knows? And, of course, that assumes that the guy isn't full of crap in the first place. It's the Monty Show, no credibility whatsoever. |
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Post by Den60 on Apr 26, 2023 7:03:18 GMT -8
Adela de la Torre promised the students & community to make progress at SDSU toward offering independent doctorates, and R1 status. Was going to post this. I'm not fluent in legaleze, but these statements jump out at me: |
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Post by Yoda on Apr 26, 2023 7:11:55 GMT -8
It's the Monty Show, no credibility whatsoever. I have no idea how credible he is. As I've said all along, I don't trust any of these guys. I don't trust any sources, even my own. But at least all the other vloggers will have somebody to quote now and things will liven up a little. LOL.. My instinct is that it is probably a decent contract -- meaning enough linear and enough money that the PAC accepts it and schools probably don't jump. Why would GK even present the contract now if he didn't think that he could sell it? I'm less sure about it being enough to expand. The only scenario that I don't want is for the PAC to fall apart all at once, because if that happens then Fresno (and San Diego State) are two of maybe 8 schools trying to get 4 seats at the Big 12's table. Those odds are a tad too long for my liking, and I'm sure for yours. I mean unless you think that your "agreement" with the Big 12 would get you in even if Oregon, Washington, Utah and one of the Arizona schools wants in... |
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Post by FAULK U on Apr 26, 2023 7:23:49 GMT -8
It's the Monty Show, no credibility whatsoever. I have no idea how credible he is. As I've said all along, I don't trust any of these guys. I don't trust any sources, even my own. But at least all the other vloggers will have somebody to quote now and things will liven up a little. LOL.. My instinct is that it is probably a decent contract -- meaning enough linear and enough money that the PAC accepts it and schools probably don't jump. Why would GK even present the contract now if he didn't think that he could sell it? I'm less sure about it being enough to expand. The only scenario that I don't want is for the PAC to fall apart all at once, because if that happens then Fresno (and San Diego State) are two of maybe 8 schools trying to get 4 seats at the Big 12's table. Those odds are a tad too long for my liking, and I'm sure for yours. I mean unless you think that your "agreement" with the Big 12 would get you in even if Oregon, Washington, Utah and one of the Arizona schools wants in... I agree with what you're saying completely, but I feel, and Altimore and many other do too, that the Big 12's PR firm is just constantly throwing out bull$#!+ so..., whatever. So many of these dudes are just click-baiting the hell out of us its amazing. |
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Post by Yoda on Apr 26, 2023 7:40:47 GMT -8
I agree with what you're saying completely, but I feel, and Altimore and many other do too, that the Big 12's PR firm is just constantly throwing out bull$#!+ so..., whatever. So many of these dudes are just click-baiting the hell out of us its amazing. Monte is a Utah guy, I believe, so I doubt his source is a Big 12 PR firm. Also, even if Apple (if it's Apple) pays the production costs, they are also apparently buying the PAC 12 network so, in evaluating the deal, you will want to know if the per school payout is just for broadcast rights or if it includes the sale of assets. I don't know how much the assets are worth, but their sale allows the PAC to accept a lower TV deal for a few years until economic conditions improve and they can negotiate their next TV deal. So that's another hint that the PAC might stay together. Maybe. Still nothing on expansion, tho... |
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Post by hoobs on Apr 26, 2023 8:48:01 GMT -8
Adela de la Torre promised the students & community to make progress at SDSU toward offering independent doctorates, and R1 status. Was going to post this. I'm not fluent in legaleze, but these statements jump out at me: Yup, this is exactly the point... it's a pathway that CSU (and specifically SDSU) leaders/lawyers/lobbyists has come up with to break a big hole into the very draconian UC vs CSU system rules. I feel pretty confident saying that SDSU has more than one independent PhD in mind -- but the objective is to just prove the exception first, then see how many more can be added later. My hunch, interdisciplinary PhDs will likely be the easiest path as by their nature they tend to be the most 'unique'. |
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Post by rebar619 on Apr 26, 2023 8:48:35 GMT -8
I don't know if this guy is full of it or what, but I think he's a Utah fan and not a Big 12 propogandist. If true, this would not be good for either of our schools ==> youtube.com/shorts/UNq1Vt72SIE?feature=shareEDIT: Actually, it may or may not be good news for our schools. It depends on the details. Assuming the number is right, is it net of production costs or does the per school take fall another $8 mil for those costs. And is it 20% streaming or 80% streaming or what? I think if most of it is linear and the figure is net of production costs and the contract isn't for much more than 5-6 years, then the conference would be fine with it. Other than that, who knows? And, of course, that assumes that the guy isn't full of crap in the first place. The Monty show is a joke. Those guys have no real sources and are Big12 honks through and through. I have tried listening and it is a total clown show. They have zero credibility. Just two weeks ago I took them to task for saying repeatedly that the PAC was worth only $100M per year. They responded later that they were referring to only a portion of the games that ESPN wanted, but that was a far cry from what they were clearly saying on the air. Bottom line, I wouldn't give you a bucket of piss for their "news". |
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Post by rebar619 on Apr 26, 2023 8:51:57 GMT -8
I agree with what you're saying completely, but I feel, and Altimore and many other do too, that the Big 12's PR firm is just constantly throwing out bull$#!+ so..., whatever. So many of these dudes are just click-baiting the hell out of us its amazing. Monte is a Utah guy, I believe, so I doubt his source is a Big 12 PR firm. Also, even if Apple (if it's Apple) pays the production costs, they are also apparently buying the PAC 12 network so, in evaluating the deal, you will want to know if the per school payout is just for broadcast rights or if it includes the sale of assets. I don't know how much the assets are worth, but their sale allows the PAC to accept a lower TV deal for a few years until economic conditions improve and they can negotiate their next TV deal. So that's another hint that the PAC might stay together. Maybe. Still nothing on expansion, tho... Monty is a BYU guy and I can tell with near certainty that his "source" is Endevour, the PR firm hired by the Big12 that has been using contacts over the past 6 months to sow false or partial fact stories in an effort to destabilize the PAC. #Big12Karen |
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Post by Yoda on Apr 26, 2023 8:57:25 GMT -8
I don't know if this guy is full of it or what, but I think he's a Utah fan and not a Big 12 propogandist. If true, this would not be good for either of our schools ==> youtube.com/shorts/UNq1Vt72SIE?feature=shareEDIT: Actually, it may or may not be good news for our schools. It depends on the details. Assuming the number is right, is it net of production costs or does the per school take fall another $8 mil for those costs. And is it 20% streaming or 80% streaming or what? I think if most of it is linear and the figure is net of production costs and the contract isn't for much more than 5-6 years, then the conference would be fine with it. Other than that, who knows? And, of course, that assumes that the guy isn't full of crap in the first place. The Monty show is a joke. Those guys have no real sources and are Big12 honks through and through. I have tried listening and it is a total clown show. They have zero credibility. Just two weeks ago I took them to task for saying repeatedly that the PAC was worth only $100M per year. They responded later that they were referring to only a portion of the games that ESPN wanted, but that was a far cry from what they were clearly saying on the air. Bottom line, I wouldn't give you a bucket of piss for their "news". The thing is, you have to distinguish between his "news" and his interpretation of that news. Even if the $25 mil per school is true, it makes no sense to me that GK would present this to his Board at this time unless he thought he could sell it. If Monty is right, and the PAC is dying, then it is not because the $25 mil per school is insufficient. GK almost certainly thinks that he can sell and get his Grant of Rights signed with the money at that level. It would have to be because of Monty's missing detail -- specifically, a PAC determination that the linear exposure is insufficient. He didn't comment on that, which means that he doesn't know that and so he has no business pronouncing the PAC to be "dying". |
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Post by Yoda on Apr 26, 2023 9:04:06 GMT -8
Monty is a BYU guy and I can tell with near certainty that his "source" is Endevour, the PR firm hired by the Big12 that has been using contacts over the past 6 months to sow false or partial fact stories in an effort to destabilize the PAC. #Big12Karen Okay, a BYU guy is way less credible than a UU guy for news of this sort. Still, isn't BYU against adding UU? I don't remember them being all that happy with the way UU treated them when they left for the PAC. And I doubt that this is a PR thing that could destabilize the PAC. All the Presidents have to do is pick up the phone and know that it's bogus -- unless they don't trust GK, in which case they have bigger problems than the size of the contract. No, I'm still going with, even if the $25 mil figure is legitimate, it will still be enough to hold the conference together. |
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Post by Boise Aztec on Apr 26, 2023 9:46:54 GMT -8
Adela de la Torre promised the students & community to make progress at SDSU toward offering independent doctorates, and R1 status. This bill, over the next ten years after it is signed, will allow State to easily move to R1 status, but it will also allow SDSU to move into the Top 100 ranking for National Universities and allow State to become an AAU member… 🎉 |
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