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Post by ptsdthor on May 8, 2022 12:03:43 GMT -8
Does the left oppose any law that governs the Mother's and Doctor's right to commit infanticide (defined as aborting an in-utero baby that is viable)?
If so, let's vote on that position. If not, let's debate where and how to draw that line of viability.
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Post by johneaztec on May 8, 2022 20:06:49 GMT -8
I don't believe in abortion at any point in time of a pregnancy.
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Post by germanaztec on May 8, 2022 23:02:12 GMT -8
We should forbid cancer treatment for men as well. It is god’s will that we all must die.
Sarcasm off. Let women decide on their own. Men do that as well.
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Post by aztecryan on May 9, 2022 8:21:25 GMT -8
I don't believe in abortion at any point in time of a pregnancy. So you're in favor of charging a woman with murder if she is raped by a family member that results in a pregnancy and she decides to have an abortion? |
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Post by johneaztec on May 9, 2022 9:35:41 GMT -8
I don't believe in abortion at any point in time of a pregnancy. So you're in favor of charging a woman with murder if she is raped by a family member that results in a pregnancy and she decides to have an abortion? I don't believe that we are the judge and jury in these cases, when it comes to deciding who lives, and who dies. That is left for Jesus to decide. You can put the baby up for adoption, etc.... It obviously would be a VERY difficult time in someone's life, but it comes down to beliefs. Having said that, I believe that we are all free to make our choices and ultimately, we will have to answer to those choices once we die and meet Jesus in Heaven, unless we ask for forgiveness, and repent of our ways afterwards. |
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Post by aztecryan on May 9, 2022 9:57:37 GMT -8
So you're in favor of charging a woman with murder if she is raped by a family member that results in a pregnancy and she decides to have an abortion? I don't believe that we are the judge and jury in these cases, when it comes to deciding who lives, and who dies. That is left for Jesus to decide. You can put the baby up for adoption, etc.... It obviously would be a VERY difficult time in someone's life, but it comes down to beliefs. Having said that, I believe that we are all free to make our choices and ultimately, we will have to answer to those choices once we die and meet Jesus in Heaven, unless we ask for forgiveness, and repent of our ways afterwards. You can't be pro-life and pro-choice, unfortunately. The issue with this process (one of them) is that the overturning of Roe v. Wade is just the first step in the GOP playbook of rolling back fundamental rights. Alito's leaked draft hints at a much larger, more concerning convergence of eliminating same sex marriages and altering protections for LGBTQ citizens. Another disturbing thing here is that similar to their voter suppression tactical strategy, this will unfortunately harm more lower-class people who lack direct, affordable access to Healthcare provisions as well. |
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Post by johneaztec on May 9, 2022 10:23:21 GMT -8
I don't believe that we are the judge and jury in these cases, when it comes to deciding who lives, and who dies. That is left for Jesus to decide. You can put the baby up for adoption, etc.... It obviously would be a VERY difficult time in someone's life, but it comes down to beliefs. Having said that, I believe that we are all free to make our choices and ultimately, we will have to answer to those choices once we die and meet Jesus in Heaven, unless we ask for forgiveness, and repent of our ways afterwards. You can't be pro-life and pro-choice, unfortunately. The issue with this process (one of them) is that the overturning of Roe v. Wade is just the first step in the GOP playbook of rolling back fundamental rights. Alito's leaked draft hints at a much larger, more concerning convergence of eliminating same sex marriages and altering protections for LGBTQ citizens. Another disturbing thing here is that similar to their voter suppression tactical strategy, this will unfortunately harm more lower-class people who lack direct, affordable access to Healthcare provisions as well. I believe that killing someone is only justifiable in self defense. Abortion is not self defense. So, there's your answer. I do believe that on earth, you can be pro life, and pro choice, but there's consequences. The consequences can be both here on earth, and in Heaven. Or, only here on earth if you ask for forgiveness, and repent. So, if someone were to get away with murder here on earth, and not repent, it will be taken care of when that person meets Jesus face to face when they die. |
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Post by azteccc on May 9, 2022 20:35:56 GMT -8
I believe in abortion rights up until the kid is like 6 years old, to be perfectly transparent.
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Post by johneaztec on May 9, 2022 21:15:14 GMT -8
I believe in abortion rights up until the kid is like 6 years old, to be perfectly transparent. Where's the sarcasm emoji? Or, the JK? |
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Post by bnastyaztecs on May 10, 2022 15:09:35 GMT -8
Does the left oppose any law that governs the Mother's and Doctor's right to commit infanticide (defined as aborting an in-utero baby that is viable)? If so, let's vote on that position. If not, let's debate where and how to draw that line of viability. Are you Pro-life or just Pro-birth?...there's a difference you know...is an embryo viable?...when is a fetus viable?...up to the fourth month...there is not even a heartbeat...that is an absolutely necessary function for a human to be considered alive...is it not...therefore, nobody is aborting a baby...because a baby is born...and is viable..." According to Websters Encyclopedic Unabridged Dictionary of the English Language, viable of a fetus it means having reached such a stage of development as to be capable of living, under normal conditions, outside the uterus."...nobody is killing babies outside the womb...which is infanticide...the crime of killing a child within a year of birth...so stop with the stupid...you and your ilk argue for birth but won't lift a finger to maintain/sustain the the long-term life of the birthed...who is raising all these unwanted babies?...who is providing the food, shelter and health care?...the birth was your business, but the long-term life of the birthed is the private/individual's responsibility and burden...you and your ilk want to take away the individual's right to their own life, liberty and pursuit of happiness...and impose the religious right-wing state's right on the individual...what happens when you force someone to take care of a child they don't want or cannot afford?...crime, ruined lives and animosity towards the child...men paying child-support to women they barely know...kids having to drop out of school/college...lastly...the religious-right-wing abortion law is not going to be enforced equally...if you're poor you're getting poorer...if you're middle class you might be able to fly to a free state to get an abortion...if you're rich and or privileged...the abortion law doesn't apply to you...if your loved one or Scalia's is raped by a Black or illegal immigrant...what are the odds of you or him forcing your loved one to have the rape baby?...thus the right-wing hypocrisy...America ain't free if the government is forcing birth without taking any responsibility for its actions...it's Americanistan.... |
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Post by ptsdthor on May 12, 2022 20:54:50 GMT -8
Does the left oppose any law that governs the Mother's and Doctor's right to commit infanticide (defined as aborting an in-utero baby that is viable)? If so, let's vote on that position. If not, let's debate where and how to draw that line of viability. Are you Pro-life or just Pro-birth?...there's a difference you know...is an embryo viable?...when is a fetus viable?...up to the fourth month...there is not even a heartbeat...that is an absolutely necessary function for a human to be considered alive...is it not...therefore, nobody is aborting a baby...because a baby is born...and is viable..." According to Websters Encyclopedic Unabridged Dictionary of the English Language, viable of a fetus it means having reached such a stage of development as to be capable of living, under normal conditions, outside the uterus."...nobody is killing babies outside the womb...which is infanticide...the crime of killing a child within a year of birth...so stop with the stupid...you and your ilk argue for birth but won't lift a finger to maintain/sustain the the long-term life of the birthed...who is raising all these unwanted babies?...who is providing the food, shelter and health care?...the birth was your business, but the long-term life of the birthed is the private/individual's responsibility and burden...you and your ilk want to take away the individual's right to their own life, liberty and pursuit of happiness...and impose the religious right-wing state's right on the individual...what happens when you force someone to take care of a child they don't want or cannot afford?...crime, ruined lives and animosity towards the child...men paying child-support to women they barely know...kids having to drop out of school/college...lastly...the religious-right-wing abortion law is not going to be enforced equally...if you're poor you're getting poorer...if you're middle class you might be able to fly to a free state to get an abortion...if you're rich and or privileged...the abortion law doesn't apply to you...if your loved one or Scalia's is raped by a Black or illegal immigrant...what are the odds of you or him forcing your loved one to have the rape baby?...thus the right-wing hypocrisy...America ain't free if the government is forcing birth without taking any responsibility for its actions...it's Americanistan.... So I gather that you oppose any law that recognizes the state's interest in protecting the rights of a viabile in-utero human being and are for legalized late term abortions. So these Sub-humans should have no legal rights outside those rights other than what the mother conveys upon it. Red herrings and Marxist blather aside, we agree to disagree. I would welcome a vote and a law to clarify the rights of both the individuals involved and would hope to prohibit the practices made famous by Dr. Gosnell, for example. |
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Post by azteccc on May 13, 2022 1:28:15 GMT -8
Buncha dudes on the internet that support the death penalty waxing poetic about what women should and should not be allowed to legally do with their bodies. Pretty pathetic if you ask me.
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Post by bnastyaztecs on May 13, 2022 8:48:07 GMT -8
Are you Pro-life or just Pro-birth?...there's a difference you know...is an embryo viable?...when is a fetus viable?...up to the fourth month...there is not even a heartbeat...that is an absolutely necessary function for a human to be considered alive...is it not...therefore, nobody is aborting a baby...because a baby is born...and is viable..." According to Websters Encyclopedic Unabridged Dictionary of the English Language, viable of a fetus it means having reached such a stage of development as to be capable of living, under normal conditions, outside the uterus."...nobody is killing babies outside the womb...which is infanticide...the crime of killing a child within a year of birth...so stop with the stupid...you and your ilk argue for birth but won't lift a finger to maintain/sustain the the long-term life of the birthed...who is raising all these unwanted babies?...who is providing the food, shelter and health care?...the birth was your business, but the long-term life of the birthed is the private/individual's responsibility and burden...you and your ilk want to take away the individual's right to their own life, liberty and pursuit of happiness...and impose the religious right-wing state's right on the individual...what happens when you force someone to take care of a child they don't want or cannot afford?...crime, ruined lives and animosity towards the child...men paying child-support to women they barely know...kids having to drop out of school/college...lastly...the religious-right-wing abortion law is not going to be enforced equally...if you're poor you're getting poorer...if you're middle class you might be able to fly to a free state to get an abortion...if you're rich and or privileged...the abortion law doesn't apply to you...if your loved one or Scalia's is raped by a Black or illegal immigrant...what are the odds of you or him forcing your loved one to have the rape baby?...thus the right-wing hypocrisy...America ain't free if the government is forcing birth without taking any responsibility for its actions...it's Americanistan.... So I gather that you oppose any law that recognizes the state's interest in protecting the rights of a viabile in-utero human being and are for legalized late term abortions. So these Sub-humans should have no legal rights outside those rights other than what the mother conveys upon it. Red herrings and Marxist blather aside, we agree to disagree. I would welcome a vote and a law to clarify the rights of both the individuals involved and would hope to prohibit the practices made famous by Dr. Gosnell, for example. To be honest...I'm not for abortions...I wouldn't want anyone I know to have one...but...but...here's the kicker...I'm not the one taking responsibility for the child...at least directly...I'm not the one spending, time, money and effort caring for or raising the child...therefore...my wants and wishes in the decision of others to do so don't matter...as far as "the rights"...Fetuses do not have a separate legal personality from their mothers until they are born...in contrast...women are free to make private medical choices concerning her body, so long as they have mental capacity to make an informed decision...that's where her rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness comes into play...she has the overriding choice to accept or decline any decision regarding the fetus’s development in her body...the Court ruled that a fetus is not a person under the terms of the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution...so what's changed in the last 50 years?...late-term abortions...third trimester...is pretty much non-existent and outlawed...it's not covered by Roe vs Wade...the only exception is if the life of the mother is in question...less than one percent of abortions are late-term...so you're the one putting out a "red-herring"...once again...this ain't about late-term abortions...it's about a women's Constitutional right to first/second trimester abortions...and her privacy to do so...once again...what business is it of yours and right-wing religious zealots? |
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Post by johneaztec on May 13, 2022 9:37:47 GMT -8
To me, whether there's a law, or not about going to jail for murder by having an abortion is irrelevant, since you'll ultimately have to deal with it with Jesus, in the blink of an eye, once your time has come to an end here on earth.
That's something someone should think long and hard about, if you haven't asked for forgiveness, and repented before your time has ended on earth. That point in time is where all the difference will make. There are alternatives. Jesus wants us and allows us to make choices. It's up to the individual, but there's always consequences. These are my beliefs.
I know of people who have had abortions who are now tormented with guilt, because of it. It's a life and death situation. Incredibly important.
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Post by aztecryan on May 13, 2022 11:07:55 GMT -8
To me, whether there's a law, or not about going to jail for murder by having an abortion is irrelevant, since you'll ultimately have to deal with it with Jesus, in the blink of an eye, once your time has come to an end here on earth. That's something someone should think long and hard about, if you haven't asked for forgiveness, and repented before your time has ended on earth. That point in time is where all the difference will make. There are alternatives. Jesus wants us and allows us to make choices. It's up to the individual, but there's always consequences. These are my beliefs. I know of people who have had abortions who are now tormented with guilt, because of it. It's a life and death situation. Incredibly important. This is about the law, not religion. |
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Post by johneaztec on May 13, 2022 11:36:10 GMT -8
To me, whether there's a law, or not about going to jail for murder by having an abortion is irrelevant, since you'll ultimately have to deal with it with Jesus, in the blink of an eye, once your time has come to an end here on earth. That's something someone should think long and hard about, if you haven't asked for forgiveness, and repented before your time has ended on earth. That point in time is where all the difference will make. There are alternatives. Jesus wants us and allows us to make choices. It's up to the individual, but there's always consequences. These are my beliefs. I know of people who have had abortions who are now tormented with guilt, because of it. It's a life and death situation. Incredibly important. This is about the law, not religion. Right, and what I'm saying is that it doesn't really matter what the law says, since the ultimate judgement will be when you meet Jesus. That's the real trial. There's things on earth that you can get away with, but not when you have to explain it to him. |
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Post by aztecryan on May 13, 2022 11:51:03 GMT -8
This is about the law, not religion. Right, and what I'm saying is that it doesn't really matter what the law says, since the ultimate judgement will be when you meet Jesus. That's the real trial. There's things on earth that you can get away with, but not when you have to explain it to him. That's great. But it has zero relevance to the law in question or the questions being asked about Roe v Wade. |
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Post by azson on May 13, 2022 15:03:16 GMT -8
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Post by ptsdthor on May 13, 2022 16:05:41 GMT -8
So I gather that you oppose any law that recognizes the state's interest in protecting the rights of a viabile in-utero human being and are for legalized late term abortions. So these Sub-humans should have no legal rights outside those rights other than what the mother conveys upon it. Red herrings and Marxist blather aside, we agree to disagree. I would welcome a vote and a law to clarify the rights of both the individuals involved and would hope to prohibit the practices made famous by Dr. Gosnell, for example. To be honest...I'm not for abortions...I wouldn't want anyone I know to have one...but...but...here's the kicker...I'm not the one taking responsibility for the child...at least directly...I'm not the one spending, time, money and effort caring for or raising the child...therefore...my wants and wishes in the decision of others to do so don't matter...as far as "the rights"...Fetuses do not have a separate legal personality from their mothers until they are born...in contrast...women are free to make private medical choices concerning her body, so long as they have mental capacity to make an informed decision...that's where her rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness comes into play...she has the overriding choice to accept or decline any decision regarding the fetus’s development in her body...the Court ruled that a fetus is not a person under the terms of the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution...so what's changed in the last 50 years?...late-term abortions...third trimester...is pretty much non-existent and outlawed...it's not covered by Roe vs Wade...the only exception is if the life of the mother is in question...less than one percent of abortions are late-term...so you're the one putting out a "red-herring"...once again...this ain't about late-term abortions...it's about a women's Constitutional right to first/second trimester abortions...and her privacy to do so...once again...what business is it of yours and right-wing religious zealots? Seems legislation on Abortion is passed all the time but only seemingly accepted by the Left when it enables the destruction of more lives. Do you accuse the coalition of left and right leaning people that oppose Capital Punishment as being Religious Zealots and that is their only motive? The "guilty" are spared but in the case of the innocent viable human beings in NY, for example...its "Kill 'em if you want to". Ghouls. |
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Post by azteccc on May 13, 2022 19:55:03 GMT -8
“ U.S. Billionaire Wealth Surged by 70%, or $2.1 Trillion, During Pandemic. They Are Now Worth a Combined $5 Trillion”
And they’ve got you fools arguing over whether sky daddy will forgive the poverty-stricken family that doesn’t want a kid because they already don’t have $300 for an emergency, can’t afford food, gas, or rent, Democrats ended the CTC expansion, and Republicans would spit on the same kid they forced to term if god forbid their own children had to share a school.
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