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Post by johneaztec on Jun 6, 2022 21:36:58 GMT -8
Search his name on any social media platform … Someone really doesn't understand descriptive statistics or sampling methodology, do they. SMFH Do you want me to take a poll or something? Descriptive statistics? I post plenty. Do people think he's actually beloved in San Diego? Royals fans adore him. Big presence in Kansas City. Arguing about Eric Hosmer's popularity is peak hilarity. You have to actually scroll to find positive comments...but the fanbase isn't exactly known for their impartiality. Ryan, when you played basketball, did you have this same mentality/attitude towards a teammate of yours? Let's say you had a teammate that was underachieving, but had a great month of basketball. Did you hope he would get back on track? Or, did you take the stance that you have with Hosmer, and KNOW he isn't going to turn it around, so you ignored anything well he did and waited for what you thought was the inevitable? You display that you were probably not a good teammate. You can't even say that you hope he can have a good year like he's had in the past. I know what you're response will be, but whatever.
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Post by junior on Jun 6, 2022 21:41:29 GMT -8
Psotters on social media fan websites when it comes to anything resembling what "an average fan" thinks … LMAO
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 6, 2022 21:52:06 GMT -8
Psotters on social media fan websites when it comes to anything resembling what "an average fan" thinks … LMAO Yeah, that's a REALLY reliable source. Sheesh. I have a tendency to listen to what teammates say about him, rather than "fans."
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Post by aardvark on Jun 6, 2022 21:52:06 GMT -8
Sure, they hate that he's underperformed, and not lived up to his contract, just like many of us. You make it sound like everybody hates Eric Hosmer, the individual. That's irresponsible on your part. Where in any of my posts does it say that? Seems like a poor inference on your part. But, there is a large percentage of folks who do not agree with his choices off the field as well. It's not just the underperformance. It's not just the laziness on the field. It's the ego that he got paid and then abandoned any notion of improving. Four seasons of being one of the worst values in baseball and we get "Well, lifting the ball doesn't work for me." "I KNOW what I bring to my team." This tweet though....takes the cake. That's the Padres beat writer for the local newspaper....literally shilling for a player on the team. And it got "better"--2 days later, he was hitting .415. Since then, he has gone 29-128, batting .227 with 2 HR and 14 RBI, and 5 DBLS. Fortunately, other guys have started to pick up the slack a bit.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 6, 2022 21:55:43 GMT -8
Psotters on social media fan websites when it comes to anything resembling what "an average fan" thinks … LMAO Billions of people use social media. What's a better representation of what the average fan thinks? You don't think fans that attend games use social media? You don't think the average fan knows how to tweet? I'm lost.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 6, 2022 21:56:29 GMT -8
Do you want me to take a poll or something? Descriptive statistics? I post plenty. Do people think he's actually beloved in San Diego? Royals fans adore him. Big presence in Kansas City. Arguing about Eric Hosmer's popularity is peak hilarity. You have to actually scroll to find positive comments...but the fanbase isn't exactly known for their impartiality. It's no surprise that people don't like how he has not lived up to his contract. So, you're really not revealing anything new about it, and the fact that there would be WAY more negative comments aimed towards him due to his underachieving. Of course there's going to be WAY more negative comments about him, because of this. So you're arguing...what? Make sense.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 6, 2022 22:05:20 GMT -8
Do you want me to take a poll or something? Descriptive statistics? I post plenty. Do people think he's actually beloved in San Diego? Royals fans adore him. Big presence in Kansas City. Arguing about Eric Hosmer's popularity is peak hilarity. You have to actually scroll to find positive comments...but the fanbase isn't exactly known for their impartiality. Ryan, when you played basketball, did you have this same mentality/attitude towards a teammate of yours? Let's say you had a teammate that was underachieving, but had a great month of basketball. Did you hope he would get back on track? Or, did you take the stance that you have with Hosmer, and KNOW he isn't going to turn it around, so you ignored anything well he did and waited for what you thought was the inevitable? You display that you were probably not a good teammate. You can't even say that you hope he can have a good year like he's had in the past. I know what you're response will be, but whatever. This has nothing to do with me. And your judgmental (and idiotic) criticisms aside, I'll direct you back to the numbers. The numbers indicate that he will not turn it around. We have four years of data to work with that illustrate that, across the board. This is such a pathetic argument. Would it make you feel better if I cheered for him like we are playing kickball on the playground? You're an adult, man. Get a grip. This is sad. One more time - How someone "fans" is their choice. There is absolutely nothing wrong with valid, warranted criticism of an underachieving player that has made repeated, consistent statements in the public eye that he simply does...not....care. I played for sixteen years. All over the country. Against the best in the world. I had my fair share of s#!++y teammates, selfish teammates, poor influences, drunks, drug addicts, whatever you want to call it. Did I ever give up? No. Did I ever tell anyone I didn't care to get better? No. Did I come back from surgery and six months of rehab to get back on the court? Yep. Did I come back from burying my father to play in a tournament on the road 24 hours later? Yep. So, again, let's focus on the numbers and leave my personal situation out of this. This is about Eric Hosmer and nothing else. My criticism of Eric Hosmer is valid, thought out and backed by statistics. I don't feel the need to pacify him because he is what he is. He's about to be 33 and is past his prime as a player. He shows up to camp out of shape, doesn't put the work in and deserves what he brings on himself. That's all.
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Post by sdsuball on Jun 6, 2022 22:15:52 GMT -8
Search his name on any social media platform … Someone really doesn't understand descriptive statistics or sampling methodology, do they. SMFH Do you want me to take a poll or something? Descriptive statistics? I post plenty. Do people think he's actually beloved in San Diego? Royals fans adore him. Big presence in Kansas City. Arguing about Eric Hosmer's popularity is peak hilarity. You have to actually scroll to find positive comments...but the fanbase isn't exactly known for their impartiality. Eh do a poll on AztecMesa. I don't hate the guy. He's not my favorite Padre but he's still a Padre. I like him more then I liked ex-Padres Pham and Pagan
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 6, 2022 22:15:55 GMT -8
Ryan, when you played basketball, did you have this same mentality/attitude towards a teammate of yours? Let's say you had a teammate that was underachieving, but had a great month of basketball. Did you hope he would get back on track? Or, did you take the stance that you have with Hosmer, and KNOW he isn't going to turn it around, so you ignored anything well he did and waited for what you thought was the inevitable? You display that you were probably not a good teammate. You can't even say that you hope he can have a good year like he's had in the past. I know what you're response will be, but whatever. This has nothing to do with me. And your judgmental (and idiotic) criticisms aside, I'll direct you back to the numbers. The numbers indicate that he will not turn it around. We have four years of data to work with that illustrate that, across the board. This is such a pathetic argument. Would it make you feel better if I cheered for him like we are playing kickball on the playground? You're an adult, man. Get a grip. This is sad. One more time - How someone "fans" is their choice. There is absolutely nothing wrong with valid, warranted criticism of an underachieving player that has made repeated, consistent statements in the public eye that he simply does...not....care. I played for sixteen years. All over the country. Against the best in the world. I had my fair share of s#!++y teammates, selfish teammates, poor influences, drunks, drug addicts, whatever you want to call it. Did I ever give up? No. Did I ever tell anyone I didn't care to get better? No. Did I come back from surgery and six months of rehab to get back on the court? Yep. Did I come back from burying my father to play in a tournament on the road 24 hours later? Yep. So, again, let's focus on the numbers and leave my personal situation out of this. This is about Eric Hosmer and nothing else. My criticism of Eric Hosmer is valid, thought out and backed by statistics. I don't feel the need to pacify him because he is what he is. He's about to be 33 and is past his prime as a player. He shows up to camp out of shape, doesn't put the work in and deserves what he brings on himself. That's all. Actually, that's not all. Here's another club-centric issue. The team is up against the luxury tax. They can't really shed salary in a meaningful way at this point. Going into the tax AND staying into the tax into December means stiff penalties as a repeat offender. You can't really move a starting pitcher, strength of the team. #2 in the National League. So a position player it is. But... The two logical candidates are Myers and Hosmer. Myers is hurt (and looking at a scope of his knee) so that's out. So you're left with, oh, yeah. Hosmer. The same Hosmer who gets FULL no trade rights at the conclusion of the World Series. Full protections. So, now you have a first baseman, who is one of the worst in the game, under contract at $13M per season the next three years after 2022. And he's completely unmoveable. Meanwhile, you have Musgrove, Manaea and Clevinger heading to free agency. You have Darvish and Snell heading into free agency next year. And you have zero payroll flexibility right now because the biggest albatross on the roster is preventing offensive upgrades from taking place. It's a complex issue that has very little to do with how I FEEL about Eric Hosmer and has EVERYTHING to do with the roster construction of the team as currently situated.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 6, 2022 22:17:45 GMT -8
Do you want me to take a poll or something? Descriptive statistics? I post plenty. Do people think he's actually beloved in San Diego? Royals fans adore him. Big presence in Kansas City. Arguing about Eric Hosmer's popularity is peak hilarity. You have to actually scroll to find positive comments...but the fanbase isn't exactly known for their impartiality. Eh do a poll on AztecMesa. I don't hate the guy. He's not my favorite Padre but he's still a Padre. I like him more then I liked ex-Padres Pham and Pagan The half dozen people who actually post on this thread aren't an effective sample size. Interesting parallel with Pham. Never understood the Pagán hate.
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 7, 2022 0:07:04 GMT -8
This has nothing to do with me. And your judgmental (and idiotic) criticisms aside, I'll direct you back to the numbers. The numbers indicate that he will not turn it around. We have four years of data to work with that illustrate that, across the board. This is such a pathetic argument. Would it make you feel better if I cheered for him like we are playing kickball on the playground? You're an adult, man. Get a grip. This is sad. One more time - How someone "fans" is their choice. There is absolutely nothing wrong with valid, warranted criticism of an underachieving player that has made repeated, consistent statements in the public eye that he simply does...not....care. I played for sixteen years. All over the country. Against the best in the world. I had my fair share of s#!++y teammates, selfish teammates, poor influences, drunks, drug addicts, whatever you want to call it. Did I ever give up? No. Did I ever tell anyone I didn't care to get better? No. Did I come back from surgery and six months of rehab to get back on the court? Yep. Did I come back from burying my father to play in a tournament on the road 24 hours later? Yep. So, again, let's focus on the numbers and leave my personal situation out of this. This is about Eric Hosmer and nothing else. My criticism of Eric Hosmer is valid, thought out and backed by statistics. I don't feel the need to pacify him because he is what he is. He's about to be 33 and is past his prime as a player. He shows up to camp out of shape, doesn't put the work in and deserves what he brings on himself. That's all. Actually, that's not all. Here's another club-centric issue. The team is up against the luxury tax. They can't really shed salary in a meaningful way at this point. Going into the tax AND staying into the tax into December means stiff penalties as a repeat offender. You can't really move a starting pitcher, strength of the team. #2 in the National League. So a position player it is. But... The two logical candidates are Myers and Hosmer. Myers is hurt (and looking at a scope of his knee) so that's out. So you're left with, oh, yeah. Hosmer. The same Hosmer who gets FULL no trade rights at the conclusion of the World Series. Full protections. So, now you have a first baseman, who is one of the worst in the game, under contract at $13M per season the next three years after 2022. And he's completely unmoveable. Meanwhile, you have Musgrove, Manaea and Clevinger heading to free agency. You have Darvish and Snell heading into free agency next year. And you have zero payroll flexibility right now because the biggest albatross on the roster is preventing offensive upgrades from taking place. It's a complex issue that has very little to do with how I FEEL about Eric Hosmer and has EVERYTHING to do with the roster construction of the team as currently situated. Yep, you confirmed what I thought. I'm glad I was never a teammate of yours. I was sure you'd do your patented "be an adult" diatribe. Hilariously predictable. Your hate for him is so bad, that you actually think he's to blame for signing that contract, and tying up the Padres, not upper management/ownership. Incredible. You keep "fanning" the way you fan, though. That's what's sad. Also, you'll quickly post his months numbers when he's not doing well, so you can tell yourself how right you are about him, but there's no posting of his numbers when he had a great month in April. The reason? Besides the hate, it would actually not make you look good, since all you've done is bash him. You would have to admit that he had a good month. Instead, what you choose to do is say, well, just you wait and see. Forget what he's doing now, who cares. He's going to fail soon enough anyway. Just you wait and see. How pitiful. You're all in on the negative side. But, you fan how you want to fan. Ugh.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 7, 2022 8:11:00 GMT -8
Actually, that's not all. Here's another club-centric issue. The team is up against the luxury tax. They can't really shed salary in a meaningful way at this point. Going into the tax AND staying into the tax into December means stiff penalties as a repeat offender. You can't really move a starting pitcher, strength of the team. #2 in the National League. So a position player it is. But... The two logical candidates are Myers and Hosmer. Myers is hurt (and looking at a scope of his knee) so that's out. So you're left with, oh, yeah. Hosmer. The same Hosmer who gets FULL no trade rights at the conclusion of the World Series. Full protections. So, now you have a first baseman, who is one of the worst in the game, under contract at $13M per season the next three years after 2022. And he's completely unmoveable. Meanwhile, you have Musgrove, Manaea and Clevinger heading to free agency. You have Darvish and Snell heading into free agency next year. And you have zero payroll flexibility right now because the biggest albatross on the roster is preventing offensive upgrades from taking place. It's a complex issue that has very little to do with how I FEEL about Eric Hosmer and has EVERYTHING to do with the roster construction of the team as currently situated. Yep, you confirmed what I thought. I'm glad I was never a teammate of yours. I was sure you'd do your patented "be an adult" diatribe. Hilariously predictable. Your hate for him is so bad, that you actually think he's to blame for signing that contract, and tying up the Padres, not upper management/ownership. Incredible. You keep "fanning" the way you fan, though. That's what's sad. Also, you'll quickly post his months numbers when he's not doing well, so you can tell yourself how right you are about him, but there's no posting of his numbers when he had a great month in April. The reason? Besides the hate, it would actually not make you look good, since all you've done is bash him. You would have to admit that he had a good month. Instead, what you choose to do is say, well, just you wait and see. Forget what he's doing now, who cares. He's going to fail soon enough anyway. Just you wait and see. How pitiful. You're all in on the negative side. But, you fan how you want to fan. Ugh. I just can't help but laugh. I can't believe this is a real post someone took time to type out and thought it was a good idea. Despite repeatedly telling you this has nothing to do with me - You double down with some weird, fixated and unrelated analogy about me and my character. The reason why I said you're an adult (which I'm questioning) is that this silly notion of forcing yourself to root for someone like it has an impact on a person's morality is foolish, stupid and myopic. The next part is equally pathetic. Blaming him for signing the contract? No. He got a deal, when the club negotiated against itself. You have that backwards. Like, I cannot believe that you are serious. You must be grasping at straws mentally to post that, the reach is just....incredible. The contract is on the team. 100%. The ensuing results are on him, the lack of adjustments, the lack of desire to improve, the statements to the media, the articles in print....that's on him. Entirely. And LOL about "making me look bad." No, John. No. The reason why (for the sixth time, maybe?) is that his April numbers were an utter fluke. He did this LAST APRIL, too. And it was obvious and evident based on his BABIP figure that he was going to regress back to career norms (His career OPS is .768, currently at .760)...Your obsession with "negativity" like it has some bearing on his outcomes is equal parts disturbing, silly and false. One can simply stare at data and come to a realistic conclusion based on the last four years of information we have. It's not difficult, complicated or hard to understand. I'm not entirely sure you believe what you write - It comes off as desperate, uninformed and lacking critical analysis. But in case you somehow thought that the above post was a good idea, you shouldn't have. It's "not a good look" when you harp on the same exact wording, use the same exact argument again and again (falsely and illogically) to prove....what I'm still not sure? Here are actual facts, without the cheap editorializing: Since May 1st, Eric Hosmer is in the bottom five in baseball in total WAR and offensive production. He's been the worst first baseman in baseball since May 1st. His BABIP, which was once .462, is now .278, slightly under league average. He has 1 home run in his last 30 games. 1. Please, rationally explain to me why that deserves praise? Why that level of play, IN CONJUNCTION with statements like "Lifting the ball doesn't work for me" does not warrant criticism? I simply do not get the logic or the world you live in. I don't care about blind positivity. Half the roster is underperforming. The team NEEDS offensive upgrades - But they can't do it. And you know why.
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 7, 2022 10:36:07 GMT -8
Yep, you confirmed what I thought. I'm glad I was never a teammate of yours. I was sure you'd do your patented "be an adult" diatribe. Hilariously predictable. Your hate for him is so bad, that you actually think he's to blame for signing that contract, and tying up the Padres, not upper management/ownership. Incredible. You keep "fanning" the way you fan, though. That's what's sad. Also, you'll quickly post his months numbers when he's not doing well, so you can tell yourself how right you are about him, but there's no posting of his numbers when he had a great month in April. The reason? Besides the hate, it would actually not make you look good, since all you've done is bash him. You would have to admit that he had a good month. Instead, what you choose to do is say, well, just you wait and see. Forget what he's doing now, who cares. He's going to fail soon enough anyway. Just you wait and see. How pitiful. You're all in on the negative side. But, you fan how you want to fan. Ugh. I just can't help but laugh. I can't believe this is a real post someone took time to type out and thought it was a good idea. Despite repeatedly telling you this has nothing to do with me - You double down with some weird, fixated and unrelated analogy about me and my character. The reason why I said you're an adult (which I'm questioning) is that this silly notion of forcing yourself to root for someone like it has an impact on a person's morality is foolish, stupid and myopic. The next part is equally pathetic. Blaming him for signing the contract? No. He got a deal, when the club negotiated against itself. You have that backwards. Like, I cannot believe that you are serious. You must be grasping at straws mentally to post that, the reach is just....incredible. The contract is on the team. 100%. The ensuing results are on him, the lack of adjustments, the lack of desire to improve, the statements to the media, the articles in print....that's on him. Entirely. And LOL about "making me look bad." No, John. No. The reason why (for the sixth time, maybe?) is that his April numbers were an utter fluke. He did this LAST APRIL, too. And it was obvious and evident based on his BABIP figure that he was going to regress back to career norms (His career OPS is .768, currently at .760)...Your obsession with "negativity" like it has some bearing on his outcomes is equal parts disturbing, silly and false. One can simply stare at data and come to a realistic conclusion based on the last four years of information we have. It's not difficult, complicated or hard to understand. I'm not entirely sure you believe what you write - It comes off as desperate, uninformed and lacking critical analysis. But in case you somehow thought that the above post was a good idea, you shouldn't have. It's "not a good look" when you harp on the same exact wording, use the same exact argument again and again (falsely and illogically) to prove....what I'm still not sure? Here are actual facts, without the cheap editorializing: Since May 1st, Eric Hosmer is in the bottom five in baseball in total WAR and offensive production. He's been the worst first baseman in baseball since May 1st. His BABIP, which was once .462, is now .278, slightly under league average. He has 1 home run in his last 30 games. 1. Please, rationally explain to me why that deserves praise? Why that level of play, IN CONJUNCTION with statements like "Lifting the ball doesn't work for me" does not warrant criticism? I simply do not get the logic or the world you live in. I don't care about blind positivity. Half the roster is underperforming. The team NEEDS offensive upgrades - But they can't do it. And you know why. Here's the laughable part. You saying that it's not personal with Hosmer. You say it so much, that you actually THINK you believe it. Really, really, funny. Talk about thinking that's a good thing to post that it's not personal, over and over, that's something I would reconsider, since not only I, but multiple people have spoken up about your obvious behavior of hate towards him. That's what's not a good look on your part. I'd get it if someone would post the way you do about Hosmer, knowing they didn't like him personally as well, but I still wouldn't think it's fair. At least that individual would be up front about his feelings. You, on the other hand, continually TRY to persuade us here that it's nothing personal. An example would be, Pham. You vouch for him left and right, on and off the field, when he's obviously failed in both aspects recently multiple times. I get that, because you like him. With Hosmer, it's all negative, all the time, even when he had a really good April. You just sat back, and said, this isn't going to last and I don't like him so I'm not going to praise him. Machado and Hosmer carried the Padres in April offensively, and helped them get off to a good start. Remember that? You've stated in the past that you don't like his politics, he's not a big believer in the vaccine policies, etc.. Just say you don't like the guy and that's one of your motivating factors for bashing him, early and often. Your behavior towards him proves just that, and like I said, I'm not the only one here who sees that. You'd have to be blind not to.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 7, 2022 11:03:07 GMT -8
I just can't help but laugh. I can't believe this is a real post someone took time to type out and thought it was a good idea. Despite repeatedly telling you this has nothing to do with me - You double down with some weird, fixated and unrelated analogy about me and my character. The reason why I said you're an adult (which I'm questioning) is that this silly notion of forcing yourself to root for someone like it has an impact on a person's morality is foolish, stupid and myopic. The next part is equally pathetic. Blaming him for signing the contract? No. He got a deal, when the club negotiated against itself. You have that backwards. Like, I cannot believe that you are serious. You must be grasping at straws mentally to post that, the reach is just....incredible. The contract is on the team. 100%. The ensuing results are on him, the lack of adjustments, the lack of desire to improve, the statements to the media, the articles in print....that's on him. Entirely. And LOL about "making me look bad." No, John. No. The reason why (for the sixth time, maybe?) is that his April numbers were an utter fluke. He did this LAST APRIL, too. And it was obvious and evident based on his BABIP figure that he was going to regress back to career norms (His career OPS is .768, currently at .760)...Your obsession with "negativity" like it has some bearing on his outcomes is equal parts disturbing, silly and false. One can simply stare at data and come to a realistic conclusion based on the last four years of information we have. It's not difficult, complicated or hard to understand. I'm not entirely sure you believe what you write - It comes off as desperate, uninformed and lacking critical analysis. But in case you somehow thought that the above post was a good idea, you shouldn't have. It's "not a good look" when you harp on the same exact wording, use the same exact argument again and again (falsely and illogically) to prove....what I'm still not sure? Here are actual facts, without the cheap editorializing: Since May 1st, Eric Hosmer is in the bottom five in baseball in total WAR and offensive production. He's been the worst first baseman in baseball since May 1st. His BABIP, which was once .462, is now .278, slightly under league average. He has 1 home run in his last 30 games. 1. Please, rationally explain to me why that deserves praise? Why that level of play, IN CONJUNCTION with statements like "Lifting the ball doesn't work for me" does not warrant criticism? I simply do not get the logic or the world you live in. I don't care about blind positivity. Half the roster is underperforming. The team NEEDS offensive upgrades - But they can't do it. And you know why. Here's the laughable part. You saying that it's not personal with Hosmer. You say it so much, that you actually THINK you believe it. Really, really, funny. Talk about thinking that's a good thing to post that it's not personal, over and over, that's something I would reconsider, since not only I, but multiple people have spoken up about your obvious behavior of hate towards him. That's what's not a good look on your part. I'd get it if someone would post the way you do about Hosmer, knowing they didn't like him personally as well, but I still wouldn't think it's fair. At least that individual would be up front about his feelings. You, on the other hand, continually TRY to persuade us here that it's nothing personal. An example would be, Pham. You vouch for him left and right, on and off the field, when he's obviously failed in both aspects recently. I get that, because you like him. With Hosmer, it's all negative, all the time, even when he had a really good April. You just sat back, and said, this isn't going to last and I don't like him so I'm not going to praise him. Machado and Hosmer carried the Padres in April offensively, and helped them get off to a good start. Remember that? You've stated in the past that you don't like his politics, he's not a big believer in the vaccine policies, etc.. Just say you don't like the guy and that's one of your motivating factors for bashing him, early and often. Your behavior towards him proves just that, and like I said, I'm not the only one here who sees that. You'd have to be blind not to. I just can't deal with someone who can't see reality and parrots back the same talking points over and over like I haven't provided evidence/proof in statistical form...ten times? More? You're so obsessed with optics on a message board (LOL?) that mean nothing. Less than nothing. It clouds your ability to see reason and makes you look foolish for attempting to correlate things that don't exist. It's not personal. Never has been. Regarding the Pham example, which isn't relevant, but I'll humor you....it's extremely simple. Pham's a better baseball player. Period. He's forthright to the media. He's accountable for his struggles. When asked why the team collapsed last year, his answer was "I didn't play well enough." That's more honesty and integrity in one sound bite than we have gotten in four years with Hosmer. He shows an understanding of analytics (BIG) and realizes the importance of them in today's game. He came back from getting STABBED and nearly dying to play baseball, in shape, and worked hard to produce here. I don't agree with his politics, either...so there goes that narrative. What is your obsession with Hosmer? Genuinely curious. Since you won't address the numbers or any of the relevant arguments I made, I'm just trying to find out what your agenda is here. I asked for a rational explanation and you didn't even answer the question or attempt to. I'm guessing it's because it's easier to go after me than it is to argue facts.
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 7, 2022 13:50:29 GMT -8
Here's the laughable part. You saying that it's not personal with Hosmer. You say it so much, that you actually THINK you believe it. Really, really, funny. Talk about thinking that's a good thing to post that it's not personal, over and over, that's something I would reconsider, since not only I, but multiple people have spoken up about your obvious behavior of hate towards him. That's what's not a good look on your part. I'd get it if someone would post the way you do about Hosmer, knowing they didn't like him personally as well, but I still wouldn't think it's fair. At least that individual would be up front about his feelings. You, on the other hand, continually TRY to persuade us here that it's nothing personal. An example would be, Pham. You vouch for him left and right, on and off the field, when he's obviously failed in both aspects recently. I get that, because you like him. With Hosmer, it's all negative, all the time, even when he had a really good April. You just sat back, and said, this isn't going to last and I don't like him so I'm not going to praise him. Machado and Hosmer carried the Padres in April offensively, and helped them get off to a good start. Remember that? You've stated in the past that you don't like his politics, he's not a big believer in the vaccine policies, etc.. Just say you don't like the guy and that's one of your motivating factors for bashing him, early and often. Your behavior towards him proves just that, and like I said, I'm not the only one here who sees that. You'd have to be blind not to. I just can't deal with someone who can't see reality and parrots back the same talking points over and over like I haven't provided evidence/proof in statistical form...ten times? More? You're so obsessed with optics on a message board (LOL?) that mean nothing. Less than nothing. It clouds your ability to see reason and makes you look foolish for attempting to correlate things that don't exist. It's not personal. Never has been. Regarding the Pham example, which isn't relevant, but I'll humor you....it's extremely simple. Pham's a better baseball player. Period. He's forthright to the media. He's accountable for his struggles. When asked why the team collapsed last year, his answer was "I didn't play well enough." That's more honesty and integrity in one sound bite than we have gotten in four years with Hosmer. He shows an understanding of analytics (BIG) and realizes the importance of them in today's game. He came back from getting STABBED and nearly dying to play baseball, in shape, and worked hard to produce here. I don't agree with his politics, either...so there goes that narrative. What is your obsession with Hosmer? Genuinely curious. Since you won't address the numbers or any of the relevant arguments I made, I'm just trying to find out what your agenda is here. I asked for a rational explanation and you didn't even answer the question or attempt to. I'm guessing it's because it's easier to go after me than it is to argue facts. Why do you keep bringing up his stats? Give it a rest. I've told you over and over that I get the stat part, the fact that he hasn't lived up to his contract, and that I wish we had a better first baseman, but you keep parroting this same thing over and over about his stats. I'm simply talking about you and your extra ordinarily, obvious dislike for him, personally, that you TRY and deny, and won't admit. It's ridiculous. You simply won't admit it. Whatever. Love the glossing over the Pham situation, just like you do for the ones you like personally. I get it. Not a word about his bad behavior over and over, because you like him. Again, I get it. Just admit you don't like Hosmer, and that's why you're quick to post any and all bad things about him as quick as you can, and nothing good in April. You can't/won't.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 7, 2022 14:04:55 GMT -8
I just can't deal with someone who can't see reality and parrots back the same talking points over and over like I haven't provided evidence/proof in statistical form...ten times? More? You're so obsessed with optics on a message board (LOL?) that mean nothing. Less than nothing. It clouds your ability to see reason and makes you look foolish for attempting to correlate things that don't exist. It's not personal. Never has been. Regarding the Pham example, which isn't relevant, but I'll humor you....it's extremely simple. Pham's a better baseball player. Period. He's forthright to the media. He's accountable for his struggles. When asked why the team collapsed last year, his answer was "I didn't play well enough." That's more honesty and integrity in one sound bite than we have gotten in four years with Hosmer. He shows an understanding of analytics (BIG) and realizes the importance of them in today's game. He came back from getting STABBED and nearly dying to play baseball, in shape, and worked hard to produce here. I don't agree with his politics, either...so there goes that narrative. What is your obsession with Hosmer? Genuinely curious. Since you won't address the numbers or any of the relevant arguments I made, I'm just trying to find out what your agenda is here. I asked for a rational explanation and you didn't even answer the question or attempt to. I'm guessing it's because it's easier to go after me than it is to argue facts. Why do you keep bringing up his stats? Give it a rest. I've told you over and over that I get the stat part, the fact that he hasn't lived up to his contract, and that I wish we had a better first baseman, but you keep parroting this same thing over and over about his stats. I'm simply talking about you and your extra ordinarily, obvious dislike for him, personally, that you TRY and deny, and won't admit. It's ridiculous. You simply won't admit it. Whatever. Love the glossing over the Pham situation, just like you do for the ones you like personally. I get it. Not a word about his bad behavior over and over, because you like him. Again, I get it. Just admit you don't like Hosmer, and that's why you're quick to post any and all bad things about him as quick as you can, and nothing good in April. You can't/won't. I feel like I'm losing brain cells. Why am I bringing up his stats? Because THEY MATTER. They are the ONLY thing that matters in a results-driven business! He's one of the highest paid players on the team. You were celebrating proudly in April when he was having a "good month"....what happened to that pride? It disappeared, faster than his hot streak did. I'm not bringing up his off the field stuff....anywhere? What am I arguing? The numbers. The numbers. The numbers. Not his lifestyle choices, his marriage, his vaccination status....the numbers. At least you can finally admit he isn't good. Progress. Pham has nothing to do with it, I'm not glossing over anything. I don't make things up like "swearing at a teammate" or create fantasies about players because I disagree with their choices to go to clubs/bars/anywhere else. Stick to the truth. It helps.
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Post by aardvark on Jun 7, 2022 14:19:04 GMT -8
Anyone see the pop-up between 1st and 2nd that Hosmer caught last night? I don't know if they were both calling for it, but Cronenworth was just about in Hosmer's back pocket when it was caught. Hosmer looked at Cronenworth after that play, but Cronenworth (at least at that moment) wanted absolutely nothing to do with Hosmer, as Cro walked back towards his position. I wonder if anything was said between the two in the dugout after that half-inning.
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Post by sdsuball on Jun 7, 2022 15:18:05 GMT -8
Eh do a poll on AztecMesa. I don't hate the guy. He's not my favorite Padre but he's still a Padre. I like him more then I liked ex-Padres Pham and Pagan The half dozen people who actually post on this thread aren't an effective sample size. Interesting parallel with Pham. Never understood the Pagán hate. I don't hate Pagan, he's alright, but he definitely left a bad taste in my mouth with the number of leads he blew during the Padres slide last year. I very much dislike Pham, his antics and attitude, AND his s#!++y play for the Padres.
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 7, 2022 15:32:17 GMT -8
Why do you keep bringing up his stats? Give it a rest. I've told you over and over that I get the stat part, the fact that he hasn't lived up to his contract, and that I wish we had a better first baseman, but you keep parroting this same thing over and over about his stats. I'm simply talking about you and your extra ordinarily, obvious dislike for him, personally, that you TRY and deny, and won't admit. It's ridiculous. You simply won't admit it. Whatever. Love the glossing over the Pham situation, just like you do for the ones you like personally. I get it. Not a word about his bad behavior over and over, because you like him. Again, I get it. Just admit you don't like Hosmer, and that's why you're quick to post any and all bad things about him as quick as you can, and nothing good in April. You can't/won't. I feel like I'm losing brain cells. Why am I bringing up his stats? Because THEY MATTER. They are the ONLY thing that matters in a results-driven business! He's one of the highest paid players on the team. You were celebrating proudly in April when he was having a "good month"....what happened to that pride? It disappeared, faster than his hot streak did. I'm not bringing up his off the field stuff....anywhere? What am I arguing? The numbers. The numbers. The numbers. Not his lifestyle choices, his marriage, his vaccination status....the numbers. At least you can finally admit he isn't good. Progress. Pham has nothing to do with it, I'm not glossing over anything. I don't make things up like "swearing at a teammate" or create fantasies about players because I disagree with their choices to go to clubs/bars/anywhere else. Stick to the truth. It helps. You're losing brain cells?? I'm finally saying that he hasn't been good?? Are you kidding me?? Shoot, you still don't get the fact that I've always said he has underachieved and not played up to his contract. We agree on that. But, I'm pulling for him. My issue for the millionth time, is you say you have no hate for the guy, but you demonstrate that you REALLY do. You're quick to post any and all things bad Hosmer, ad nauseam, and you can't find yourself to ever say anything good about him, especially in April. You be you. You hope he doesn't do well, and you'd rather be right. I, on the other hand, hope he can have some production and help us win games, and have some consistency. That's the difference. Pride, no. I was simply happy that he was coming through in April, and helping us win ball games. I'm not currently happy that's he struggling, but I'm sure you're happy that you can say, I told you so, even though everyone knew he couldn't keep that April pace. Oh yeah, and Pham's a choir boy. Uh huh. What a joke.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 7, 2022 19:18:33 GMT -8
I feel like I'm losing brain cells. Why am I bringing up his stats? Because THEY MATTER. They are the ONLY thing that matters in a results-driven business! He's one of the highest paid players on the team. You were celebrating proudly in April when he was having a "good month"....what happened to that pride? It disappeared, faster than his hot streak did. I'm not bringing up his off the field stuff....anywhere? What am I arguing? The numbers. The numbers. The numbers. Not his lifestyle choices, his marriage, his vaccination status....the numbers. At least you can finally admit he isn't good. Progress. Pham has nothing to do with it, I'm not glossing over anything. I don't make things up like "swearing at a teammate" or create fantasies about players because I disagree with their choices to go to clubs/bars/anywhere else. Stick to the truth. It helps. You're losing brain cells?? I'm finally saying that he hasn't been good?? Are you kidding me?? Shoot, you still don't get the fact that I've always said he has underachieved and not played up to his contract. We agree on that. But, I'm pulling for him. My issue for the millionth time, is you say you have no hate for the guy, but you demonstrate that you REALLY do. You're quick to post any and all things bad Hosmer, ad nauseam, and you can't find yourself to ever say anything good about him, especially in April. You be you. You hope he doesn't do well, and you'd rather be right. I, on the other hand, hope he can have some production and help us win games, and have some consistency. That's the difference. Pride, no. I was simply happy that he was coming through in April, and helping us win ball games. I'm not currently happy that's he struggling, but I'm sure you're happy that you can say, I told you so, even though everyone knew he couldn't keep that April pace. Oh yeah, and Pham's a choir boy. Uh huh. What a joke. Whether I'm happy or not is irrelevant. The data tells me he can't sustain it...and his ego and statements to the media tells me he doesn't care enough to try. That's really all it boils down to.
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