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Luke Voit
Feb 22, 2023 19:05:16 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 22, 2023 19:05:16 GMT -8
The only stat that matters here is wRC+. Run creation, weighted for ballpark factors, gives you a straight and concise answer. The baseline is 100, so anything above is above average and anything below is below average. Voit was a 102 wRC+ last year and has cleared that number every year. Injuries have hurt his career. Glad he's out of Washington, but Milwaukee is a cultural dumpster fire right now. That's a VERY low bar. If that's the bar set, then that's nothing to brag about. His stats were horrible last year. The stat you're talking about is an overall MLB stat. There's some really bad offensive players in the MLB. On a 162 game pace, his "horrible stats" were tracking for 25 home runs and nearly 100 RBI, if you want surface stats to gleam over. You clearly don't understand the metric. 100 is a baseline average. It's a far cry from the ridiculous "dead weight" you claimed him to be. Dead weight hitters don't post .800+ OPS numbers, for what it's worth.
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Post by johneaztec on Feb 22, 2023 19:11:12 GMT -8
That's a VERY low bar. If that's the bar set, then that's nothing to brag about. His stats were horrible last year. The stat you're talking about is an overall MLB stat. There's some really bad offensive players in the MLB. On a 162 game pace, he was pacing for 25 home runs and nearly 100 RBI, if you want surface stats to gleam over. You clearly don't understand the metric. 100 is a baseline average. It's a far cry from the ridiculous "dead weight" you claimed. Dead weight hitters don't post .800+ OPS numbers, for what it's worth. Meh, he's a pinch hitter, spot starter, an at times DH, at best in this league. His Men LOB while striking out will absolutely not be missed, amongst other deficiencies of his, on the offensive end. It got really tiresome. By the way, if that's the baseline average then I wouldn't brag about it if I'm just over that. His stats were not good last year. You say he was on pace. Pace, is so overrated. Pitchers, tire out towards the end of the season, for example. People have hot starts and hit 25 homers in the first half, but only end up with 35, for another example. I don't want to hear the word PACE, when trying to evaluate one's season. It's laughable a lot of the times.
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Luke Voit
Feb 22, 2023 19:15:45 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 22, 2023 19:15:45 GMT -8
On a 162 game pace, he was pacing for 25 home runs and nearly 100 RBI, if you want surface stats to gleam over. You clearly don't understand the metric. 100 is a baseline average. It's a far cry from the ridiculous "dead weight" you claimed. Dead weight hitters don't post .800+ OPS numbers, for what it's worth. Meh, he's a pinch hitter, spot starter, an at times DH, at best in this league. His Men LOB while striking out will absolutely not be missed, amongst other deficiencies of his, on the offensive end. It got really tiresome. And that says all we need to know. Arbitrary numbers encompassed in larger stats, combined with a personal disdain for a player. Ballpark adjusted stats remove the bias, which makes it easy to use them and identify. The tiresome first baseman we got rid of in July wasn't named Luke Voit.
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Post by junior on Feb 22, 2023 19:21:58 GMT -8
Betcha I'm better than Tellez!
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Luke Voit
Feb 22, 2023 19:25:33 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on Feb 22, 2023 19:25:33 GMT -8
Meh, he's a pinch hitter, spot starter, an at times DH, at best in this league. His Men LOB while striking out will absolutely not be missed, amongst other deficiencies of his, on the offensive end. It got really tiresome. And that says all we need to know. Arbitrary numbers encompassed in larger stats, combined with a personal disdain for a player. Ballpark adjusted stats remove the bias, which makes it easy to use them and identify. The tiresome first baseman we got rid of in July wasn't named Luke Voit. Ahhh, I see. This is really about Hosmer for you. Not shocking that he's STILL in your head. I do not disdain players, unlike you, big time. Your only defense is what his pace was. That's extremely laughable. Look at my edited quote above to see what pace is all about.
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Post by johneaztec on Feb 22, 2023 19:27:04 GMT -8
Making sure he looked buffed with the open jersey before he got up there to only strikeout. Lol.
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Post by junior on Feb 22, 2023 19:30:54 GMT -8
Kind of nasty with all the sunflower seeds - (used)
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Luke Voit
Feb 22, 2023 19:32:15 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on Feb 22, 2023 19:32:15 GMT -8
Kind of nasty with all the sunflower seeds - (used) Yikes!!! Gross. It didn't matter. Whatever it took to look jacked. Lol.
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Luke Voit
Feb 22, 2023 19:36:40 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 22, 2023 19:36:40 GMT -8
Betcha I'm better than Tellez! I actually like Tellez, if they don't trade him when the place implodes. He's another guy who would benefit from a change of scenery.
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Luke Voit
Feb 22, 2023 19:41:02 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 22, 2023 19:41:02 GMT -8
And that says all we need to know. Arbitrary numbers encompassed in larger stats, combined with a personal disdain for a player. Ballpark adjusted stats remove the bias, which makes it easy to use them and identify. The tiresome first baseman we got rid of in July wasn't named Luke Voit. Ahhh, I see. This is really about Hosmer for you. Not shocking that he's STILL in your head. I do not disdain players, unlike you, big time. Your only defense is what his pace was. That's extremely laughable. Look at my edited quote above to see what pace is all about. Not about him at all, but the context is useful because their park adjusted numbers were virtually identical. Hosmer was a 104, Voit was a 102. You basically admitted he was "tiresome"...so, not sure what you're angling at. My only "defense" is the numbers are readily available and by any park adjusted metric (wRC+, OPS+, etc) Voit was above league average playing on a cheap salary. Your scenarios about leaving runners on and being "feast or famine" are baked into the run creation numbers.
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Post by junior on Feb 22, 2023 19:41:23 GMT -8
Betcha I'm better than Tellez! I actually like Tellez, if they don't trade him when the place implodes. He's another guy who would benefit from a change of scenery. Voit should give him a run for that 1B position… competition is good.
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Luke Voit
Feb 22, 2023 19:44:34 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 22, 2023 19:44:34 GMT -8
I actually like Tellez, if they don't trade him when the place implodes. He's another guy who would benefit from a change of scenery. Voit should give him a run for that 1B position… competition is good. They are pretty redundant assets, so no idea what Milwaukee wants to do there. I'm skeptical of their long-term plans; that place is a ship without a rudder. GM left, their franchise pitcher wants out, they traded Hader for peanuts because they were too cheap to pay him. A total mess.
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Luke Voit
Feb 22, 2023 19:55:01 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on Feb 22, 2023 19:55:01 GMT -8
Voit should give him a run for that 1B position… competition is good. They are pretty redundant assets, so no idea what Milwaukee wants to do there. I'm skeptical of their long-term plans; that place is a ship without a rudder. GM left, their franchise pitcher wants out, they traded Hader for peanuts because they were too cheap to pay him. A total mess. Milwaukee, of all places, offering Voit only a Minor League deal, says it all.
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Luke Voit
Feb 22, 2023 19:56:44 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on Feb 22, 2023 19:56:44 GMT -8
Ahhh, I see. This is really about Hosmer for you. Not shocking that he's STILL in your head. I do not disdain players, unlike you, big time. Your only defense is what his pace was. That's extremely laughable. Look at my edited quote above to see what pace is all about. Not about him at all, but the context is useful because their park adjusted numbers were virtually identical. Hosmer was a 104, Voit was a 102. You basically admitted he was "tiresome"...so, not sure what you're angling at. My only "defense" is the numbers are readily available and by any park adjusted metric (wRC+, OPS+, etc) Voit was above league average playing on a cheap salary. Your scenarios about leaving runners on and being "feast or famine" are baked into the run creation numbers. You're not fooling anybody when you say you only brought up Hosmer only because it's comparable. That's seriously laughable.
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Luke Voit
Feb 22, 2023 20:18:56 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 22, 2023 20:18:56 GMT -8
They are pretty redundant assets, so no idea what Milwaukee wants to do there. I'm skeptical of their long-term plans; that place is a ship without a rudder. GM left, their franchise pitcher wants out, they traded Hader for peanuts because they were too cheap to pay him. A total mess. Milwaukee, of all places, offering Voit only a Minor League deal, says it all. Dozens and dozens of guys receive minor league deals with invites to spring. Jurickson Profar doesn't have a contract anywhere. Ditto Gary Sanchez. It's not a scathing indictment, it's indicative of not having a huge market for corner infield/DH guys. Nelson Cruz signed for a million dollars. Corner guys get undervalued.
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Luke Voit
Feb 22, 2023 20:21:18 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 22, 2023 20:21:18 GMT -8
Not about him at all, but the context is useful because their park adjusted numbers were virtually identical. Hosmer was a 104, Voit was a 102. You basically admitted he was "tiresome"...so, not sure what you're angling at. My only "defense" is the numbers are readily available and by any park adjusted metric (wRC+, OPS+, etc) Voit was above league average playing on a cheap salary. Your scenarios about leaving runners on and being "feast or famine" are baked into the run creation numbers. You're not fooling anybody when you say you only brought up Hosmer only because it's comparable. That's seriously laughable. I only brought him up because it's relevant to compare the two. Wildly different profiles that reach the same end number. Voit's a power over hit tool guy who elevates the ball, Hosmer is the exact opposite. Yet their park adjusted numbers end up virtually in the same spot. Voit was actually at a 110 wRC+ prior to the trade. Both players struggled after the deadline.
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Luke Voit
Feb 22, 2023 21:58:54 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on Feb 22, 2023 21:58:54 GMT -8
You're not fooling anybody when you say you only brought up Hosmer only because it's comparable. That's seriously laughable. I only brought him up because it's relevant to compare the two. Wildly different profiles that reach the same end number. Voit's a power over hit tool guy who elevates the ball, Hosmer is the exact opposite. Yet their park adjusted numbers end up virtually in the same spot. Voit was actually at a 110 wRC+ prior to the trade. Both players struggled after the deadline. Yeah, ok. Whatever. What I can tell you is that I'm glad we've upgraded the team from these two, and I'm done talking about a not so very good ball player like Voit, who isn't even on the Padres anymore.
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Post by sdsuball on Feb 22, 2023 23:14:00 GMT -8
Milwaukee, of all places, offering Voit only a Minor League deal, says it all. Dozens and dozens of guys receive minor league deals with invites to spring. Jurickson Profar doesn't have a contract anywhere. Ditto Gary Sanchez. It's not a scathing indictment, it's indicative of not having a huge market for corner infield/DH guys. Nelson Cruz signed for a million dollars. Corner guys get undervalued. ***Corner guys aren't that valuable when they are league average hitters. Fixed
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Luke Voit
Feb 23, 2023 0:01:22 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on Feb 23, 2023 0:01:22 GMT -8
Dozens and dozens of guys receive minor league deals with invites to spring. Jurickson Profar doesn't have a contract anywhere. Ditto Gary Sanchez. It's not a scathing indictment, it's indicative of not having a huge market for corner infield/DH guys. Nelson Cruz signed for a million dollars. Corner guys get undervalued. ***Corner guys aren't that valuable when they are league average hitters. Fixed That's right. Just because Voit is pronounced an average hitter under that one metric, doesn't mean one needs to boast about him. I'll remember him more for striking out A LOT at the most inopportune times, than I will for some kind of a so called pace he was on. That's for sure.
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Luke Voit
Feb 23, 2023 8:28:30 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 23, 2023 8:28:30 GMT -8
Dozens and dozens of guys receive minor league deals with invites to spring. Jurickson Profar doesn't have a contract anywhere. Ditto Gary Sanchez. It's not a scathing indictment, it's indicative of not having a huge market for corner infield/DH guys. Nelson Cruz signed for a million dollars. Corner guys get undervalued. ***Corner guys aren't that valuable when they are league average hitters. Fixed Not exactly true. Left field is an extremely top heavy position, for example. Yordan Alvarez and then pretty much everyone else. Usually it comes down to defensive value and being able to play multiple spots. Probably better to characterize as first base/DH guys don't have a ton of market options, you have to be an elite hitter to really stand out or provide something else, mainly power.
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