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Post by aztecryan on Jan 30, 2022 9:40:54 GMT -8
Argue the facts, please. If you can think for yourself, please explain your position, whatever that actually is. An adult conversation involves the truth, actual facts, supported by concrete evidence. I've yet to see a rebuttal of actual substance, just more fodder. I can support my position, clearly and concisely. If Coronavirus didn't happen, Trump wins. That's just the reality. Not saying that would have been a good thing, but it would've been much better than Biden. And that's absurd, not based in reality. You're promoting ignorance here. COVID was not the problem, the *response* to COVID was. The infiltration and corruption of the CDC to manipulate data to make Trump look good is propaganda material, nothing more. This is yet another post from a person who has no perspective. www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54788636"Creeping authoritarianism." "Stoking of racial tensions." "Promotions of conspiracy theories." "Strange boasts about being a stable genius." "A telling moment for me during this campaign came in Pittsburgh, when I chatted with Chuck Howenstein on the stoop of his terraced home. A Trump supporter in 2016, he voted for Joe Biden. "People are tired," he told me. "They want to see normalcy back in this country. They want to see decency. They want to see this hatred stop. They want to see this country united. And that together is going to bring Joe Biden the presidency." Trump lost the presidency because he had the lowest approval rating ever tracked. His ability to trick and deceive gullible people who can't think for themselves was outweighed by his inability to govern, attacks on the press, women, governmental allies and alienating the intelligent people who saw through the mafioso bully act that he portrayed. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jan 30, 2022 10:54:35 GMT -8
If Coronavirus didn't happen, Trump wins. That's just the reality. Not saying that would have been a good thing, but it would've been much better than Biden. And that's absurd, not based in reality. You're promoting ignorance here. COVID was not the problem, the *response* to COVID was. The infiltration and corruption of the CDC to manipulate data to make Trump look good is propaganda material, nothing more. This is yet another post from a person who has no perspective. www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54788636"Creeping authoritarianism." "Stoking of racial tensions." "Promotions of conspiracy theories." "Strange boasts about being a stable genius." "A telling moment for me during this campaign came in Pittsburgh, when I chatted with Chuck Howenstein on the stoop of his terraced home. A Trump supporter in 2016, he voted for Joe Biden. "People are tired," he told me. "They want to see normalcy back in this country. They want to see decency. They want to see this hatred stop. They want to see this country united. And that together is going to bring Joe Biden the presidency." Trump lost the presidency because he had the lowest approval rating ever tracked. His ability to trick and deceive gullible people who can't think for themselves was outweighed by his inability to govern, attacks on the press, women, governmental allies and alienating the intelligent people who saw through the mafioso bully act that he portrayed. And, this is another post from someone who has blinders on and jumps on something without absorbing what someone says. I'm saying, and said, if there was not a Covid situation, he would most likely have been reelected. You even agreed to that, at some point in the past, when I asked you about it. You're soooo quick to spew vitriol, it's ridiculous. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 30, 2022 11:12:05 GMT -8
And that's absurd, not based in reality. You're promoting ignorance here. COVID was not the problem, the *response* to COVID was. The infiltration and corruption of the CDC to manipulate data to make Trump look good is propaganda material, nothing more. This is yet another post from a person who has no perspective. www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54788636"Creeping authoritarianism." "Stoking of racial tensions." "Promotions of conspiracy theories." "Strange boasts about being a stable genius." "A telling moment for me during this campaign came in Pittsburgh, when I chatted with Chuck Howenstein on the stoop of his terraced home. A Trump supporter in 2016, he voted for Joe Biden. "People are tired," he told me. "They want to see normalcy back in this country. They want to see decency. They want to see this hatred stop. They want to see this country united. And that together is going to bring Joe Biden the presidency." Trump lost the presidency because he had the lowest approval rating ever tracked. His ability to trick and deceive gullible people who can't think for themselves was outweighed by his inability to govern, attacks on the press, women, governmental allies and alienating the intelligent people who saw through the mafioso bully act that he portrayed. And, this is another post from someone who has blinders on and jumps on something without absorbing what someone says. I'm saying, and said, if there was not a Covid situation, he would most likely have been reelected. You even agreed to that, at some point in the past, when I asked you about it. You're soooo quick to spew vitriol, it's ridiculous. Because you're perpetuating garbage that really makes me angry, as it's deceptive and often times flatly false. You oversimplify and remove context on issues that matter. COVID was not *THE* reason Trump was not re-elected. Did his inadequate, unprofessional and lackadaisical approach to the response affect his chances? Surely. That's not the same thing, in any capacity. Nobody has blinders on here. I can back up every...single....point I make with multiple sources. Can you? No, because everything is opinion-based, not rooted in the truth. Lost the popular vote twice. Lowest approval rating ever. Two impeachments. Rampant attacks on the press. One orchestrated insurrection. Multiple instances of DOJ corruption. Exerting undue influence on government agencies to manipulate data and cover up failures. Violating the oath of office countless times, not least of which was to try and overturn the lawful election in Georgia to retain the presidency. All facts. That's what you're missing. You want to boil it down to one broad issue, which is just not the case. To borrow your oversimplified phrasing - Some people think he's a criminal, a deranged narcissist that represents an imminent threat to democracy. That has nothing to do with COVID. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jan 30, 2022 11:26:48 GMT -8
And, this is another post from someone who has blinders on and jumps on something without absorbing what someone says. I'm saying, and said, if there was not a Covid situation, he would most likely have been reelected. You even agreed to that, at some point in the past, when I asked you about it. You're soooo quick to spew vitriol, it's ridiculous. Because you're perpetuating garbage that really makes me angry, as it's deceptive and often times flatly false. You oversimplify and remove context on issues that matter. COVID was not *THE* reason Trump was not re-elected. Did his inadequate, unprofessional and lackadaisical approach to the response affect his chances? Surely. That's not the same thing, in any capacity. Nobody has blinders on here. I can back up every...single....point I make with multiple sources. Can you? No, because everything is opinion-based, not rooted in the truth. Lost the popular vote twice. Lowest approval rating ever. Two impeachments. Rampant attacks on the press. One orchestrated insurrection. Multiple instances of DOJ corruption. Exerting undue influence on government agencies to manipulate data and cover up failures. Violating the oath of office countless times, not least of which was to try and overturn the lawful election in Georgia to retain the presidency. All facts. That's what you're missing. You want to boil it down to one broad issue, which is just not the case. To borrow your oversimplified phrasing - Some people think he's a criminal, a deranged narcissist that represents an imminent threat to democracy. That has nothing to do with COVID. You had said that Trump would have been reelected if not for the Covid situation, when I asked you that in the past. I agree. That's all I'm alluding to here. I know about all the other issues. If you want to change your tune on it now, that's your prerogative. No biggie. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 30, 2022 11:57:10 GMT -8
Because you're perpetuating garbage that really makes me angry, as it's deceptive and often times flatly false. You oversimplify and remove context on issues that matter. COVID was not *THE* reason Trump was not re-elected. Did his inadequate, unprofessional and lackadaisical approach to the response affect his chances? Surely. That's not the same thing, in any capacity. Nobody has blinders on here. I can back up every...single....point I make with multiple sources. Can you? No, because everything is opinion-based, not rooted in the truth. Lost the popular vote twice. Lowest approval rating ever. Two impeachments. Rampant attacks on the press. One orchestrated insurrection. Multiple instances of DOJ corruption. Exerting undue influence on government agencies to manipulate data and cover up failures. Violating the oath of office countless times, not least of which was to try and overturn the lawful election in Georgia to retain the presidency. All facts. That's what you're missing. You want to boil it down to one broad issue, which is just not the case. To borrow your oversimplified phrasing - Some people think he's a criminal, a deranged narcissist that represents an imminent threat to democracy. That has nothing to do with COVID. You had said that Trump would have been reelected if not for the Covid situation, when I asked you that in the past. I agree. That's all I'm alluding to here. I know about all the other issues. If you want to change your tune on it now, that's your prerogative. No biggie. Not what was meant and if that's how it was interpreted, it's definitely not what my opinion is today, knowing what we know now in the wake of January 6th. Information changes, perspective changes. Saying he would have won is more of an indictment on his base and the incumbent factor, combined with Biden's ineffectiveness as a charismatic and unifying leader. An empty suit is still better than a reign of chaos. |
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Post by podpeople on Jan 30, 2022 12:51:26 GMT -8
Hannity's text to McEnnany day after January 6. "No more crazy people in the White House". Duh.. even these insiders knew this $#!+. Of course no surprise from the beginning to those capable of critical thought. Haha..preemptive strike ptsdthor.."but the Democrats". why is nobody talking about how the Murdochs have been running a shadow government through trump using haniity as the middleman? anybody else think it's weird that nothing is being done about that? |
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Post by podpeople on Jan 30, 2022 13:00:40 GMT -8
Argue the facts, please. If you can think for yourself, please explain your position, whatever that actually is. An adult conversation involves the truth, actual facts, supported by concrete evidence. I've yet to see a rebuttal of actual substance, just more fodder. I can support my position, clearly and concisely. If Coronavirus didn't happen, Trump wins. That's just the reality. Not saying that would have been a good thing, but it would've been much better than Biden. you're saying that a trump residency would be better than Biden? you cant be serious. your statement "if coronavirus didnt happen" trump is one of the reasons it did happen as horrifically as it did here. he played down the severity of the pandemic. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jan 30, 2022 13:46:29 GMT -8
If Coronavirus didn't happen, Trump wins. That's just the reality. Not saying that would have been a good thing, but it would've been much better than Biden. you're saying that a trump residency would be better than Biden? you cant be serious. your statement "if coronavirus didnt happen" trump is one of the reasons it did happen as horrifically as it did here. he played down the severity of the pandemic. What I said was that if there was no Coronavirus at all, many agree that Trump would have been reelected. Biden has been horrible, and most agree that he's simply a puppet. Our country is in complete dissaray. I thought our country would have more unity once Trump left office, but that ain't happening. I thought we'd at least have that. |
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Jan 30, 2022 14:13:29 GMT -8
Argue the facts, please. If you can think for yourself, please explain your position, whatever that actually is. An adult conversation involves the truth, actual facts, supported by concrete evidence. I've yet to see a rebuttal of actual substance, just more fodder. I can support my position, clearly and concisely. If Coronavirus didn't happen, Trump wins. That's just the reality. Not saying that would have been a good thing, but it would've been much better than Biden. If you are the U.S. environment Trump was never a good thing. JMO |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 30, 2022 14:49:47 GMT -8
you're saying that a trump residency would be better than Biden? you cant be serious. your statement "if coronavirus didnt happen" trump is one of the reasons it did happen as horrifically as it did here. he played down the severity of the pandemic. What I said was that if there was no Coronavirus at all, many agree that Trump would have been reelected. Biden has been horrible, and most agree that he's simply a puppet. Our country is in complete dissaray. I thought our country would have more unity once Trump left office, but that ain't happening. I thought we'd at least have that. Our country was in disarray well before Joe Biden came along. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jan 30, 2022 14:53:19 GMT -8
What I said was that if there was no Coronavirus at all, many agree that Trump would have been reelected. Biden has been horrible, and most agree that he's simply a puppet. Our country is in complete dissaray. I thought our country would have more unity once Trump left office, but that ain't happening. I thought we'd at least have that. Our country was in disarray well before Joe Biden came along. I agree it was, and it hasn't gotten any better like I thought it would. |
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Post by uwphoto on Jan 30, 2022 14:53:47 GMT -8
How any thinking person could think trump is good for America, I will never understand. His own people were freaking out during the Capitol riot, including family members. Does anybody pushing the right on here get that...or at least acknowledge? The guy is poison.
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 30, 2022 15:23:40 GMT -8
Our country was in disarray well before Joe Biden came along. I agree it was, and it hasn't gotten any better like I thought it would. And this lacks objective reality. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jan 30, 2022 15:50:33 GMT -8
I agree it was, and it hasn't gotten any better like I thought it would. And this lacks objective reality. Of course. It's the response expected from you. |
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Jan 30, 2022 16:39:59 GMT -8
Our country was in disarray well before Joe Biden came along. I agree it was, and it hasn't gotten any better like I thought it would. IMO, the GOPer's in the senate have no interest in progress. The McConnell obstructionists have no interest in anything but making Biden's term as bad as Obama's last 4 years. |
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Post by uwphoto on Jan 30, 2022 17:13:25 GMT -8
And this lacks objective reality. Of course. It's the response expected from you. Well..he did say in his recent rally that he would pardon the insurrectionists and that people going after his illegal business practices are "racists"..wow if thats not the biggest dog whistle ever...dude is poison. |
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Post by aardvark on Jan 30, 2022 17:45:55 GMT -8
Quite frankly, this country doesn't need a President starting a term at the age of 78. It doesn't matter what party wins the White House.
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Post by johneaztec on Jan 30, 2022 17:57:13 GMT -8
Quite frankly, this country doesn't need a President starting a term at the age of 78. It doesn't matter what party wins the White House. Yeah, where are the better choices?  ? |
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Post by uwphoto on Jan 30, 2022 18:12:05 GMT -8
Quite frankly, this country doesn't need a President starting a term at the age of 78. It doesn't matter what party wins the White House. Yeah, where are the better choices? ? It may be too late, the well has been poisoned. Think 70's 80's 90's. there were hippies and rednecks back then as well. But they might show up to some of the same events and party together. when you can make huge money from people hating each other...its over. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jan 30, 2022 18:18:15 GMT -8
Yeah, where are the better choices? ? It may be too late, the well has been poisoned. Think 70's 80's 90's. there were hippies and rednecks back then as well. But they might show up to some of the same events and party together. when you can make huge money from people hating each other...its over. I agree. Completely different times now |
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