|
Post by FULL_MONTY on Jan 4, 2022 17:47:23 GMT -8
I find the COVID debate interesting. Current data indicates - receiving the initial vaccine and boosters does not eliminate the possibility that you can contract COVID. covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#rates-by-vaccine-statusCurrent data indicates - COVID may be transmitted regardless of your vaccination status. www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-risk-of-vaccinated-covid-transmission-is-not-low/www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.htmlCurrent data indicates that masks are largely ineffective, this is based on the fact that most people are using simple cloth face coverings which only can minimize large droplet transfer. Even n95 and medical quality masks are ineffective as most people do not use the mask correctly (tightly fitting to the face) or reuse these masks (sometimes between people). Current data indicates - Unvaccinated people have higher incidences of death and hospitalization www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7046a4.htmCurrent data indicates - If you are over 65 and or have a comorbidity, you are at the greatest risk of hospitalization and death. www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7034e1.htmIn my opinion, the strategy from the offset has been entirely wrong. We should have been encouraging everyone who either has a comorbidity (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/clinical-care/underlyingconditions.html) or is over 65 to get and stay (boosted) vaccinated. Shutting down the economy, masking kids, and implementing big mandates has not helped the situation. IMHO, we need to accept the basic fact that life is risky. When I see that 43% of people between 0-49 are not vaccinated, I understand the tradeoff they are making. I don't understand how someone over 50 or someone with a comorbidity does not get vaccinated. It would seem the risk benefit is a no brainer to get the vaccine. Like I said earlier, life is risky. At this point, if someone is in the high-risk categories and they aren't vaccinated they most likely will not get vaccinated. Locking up the economy or requiring these measures will not change the facts on the ground. Everyone knows the risks; everyone now needs to accept the risks.
|
|
|
Post by AzTex on Jan 4, 2022 18:00:06 GMT -8
My apologies because I posted my question in another thread. Maybe someone can help me since we are all in such great moods. I am a little annoyed that I just paid $70 additional dollars for two rapid test because my wife and I haven't gotten the last booster. Anyways, can someone please provide some information on where you get the rapid test? Is the test easy and quick? Are the results right away? It sure seems crazy to require me to have this last booster to attend the game. This has gotten so political at this point. I am a bit baffled by all of this but I will play by the rules. I may not agree with everything but I want to do my part to ensure we are reducing the chances of spreading this virus to one another. You can get the test in Peterson Gym before the game. Here is what the latest email from the ticket office says about the availability of that testing:
"SDSU is now offering game day antigen testing for basketball guests via Phamatech. Tests will cost $35, paid online when signing up. No cash or credit cards will be accepted on site. No insurance will be accepted. Appointments can be made in advance here. Tests will be administered in the Peterson Gym Hallway (PG152, enter from 55th street.) beginning 1.5 hours prior to men's basketball games and 1 hour prior to women's basketball games. Test results can take up to 30 minutes and will be delivered via email in PDF format."
|
|
|
Post by azteccc on Jan 4, 2022 18:20:17 GMT -8
I will no longer be welcome in Viejas Arena. Wow, I wonder if they will provide free testing for season ticket holders that are getting screwed. What a fcking joke. Literally as we are finding out in real time these vaccines don’t work, regulations are saying people have to go take more?? JOKE. Man, I rarely get upset lately but this is asinine. If you agree with this you are not morally superior or care more about the virus or the elderly or whatever, you just can’t read data. Think of it this way bro…if you don’t want to do it for yourself and your fellow fans then do it (get boosted) for the players that could potentially lose their season if they have major outbreaks. The fewer potential fans with COVID in the arena is just a lesser chance something will happen to our players that would put our program on pause. I posted annoyed and in disbelief and most likely did not initially express myself very well, but as I said above I am almost completely out of patience with the heavy enforcement and doubling down of failed strategies people. Your last sentence exactly illustrates one of many issues with this most recent policy change - those vaccinated (and boosted) can, and are (at alarmingly high rates) still contracting Omarion/covid. I am vaccinated and just got done with quarantining due to a breakthrough infection, which the scientists say gives me the best protection of anyone on the planet. I am not going to go get another shot for no reason, and regardless of how well protected I am, policies fail to accept the science behind my current condition. If you want to say "everyone needs a negative test", that almost makes a lot of sense. If you are requiring a new $35 fee to enter a game, I'd like the option to get my money back. If you are saying three shots and you're in, regardless of whether you have covid, that is a risk reduction strategy that has failed and provides low and decreasing risk reduction.
|
|
|
Post by sdcoug on Jan 4, 2022 18:20:58 GMT -8
I don't see the big deal. Those against the vax have needed & will continue to need a negative test after Jan 18th. The majority of those who bothered to get 2 sets of Vax in the past will most likely not have a problem getting the booster. So again, what's really changed? And agree, this is state mandated, not something SDSU made up. Wait, that sounds like full set of vaccinations (two doses and a booster) means no testing is required. Is that right? Correct. It's been if you've had 2 does no testing is required; now it's 2 doses + booster.
|
|
|
Post by longtimebooster on Jan 4, 2022 18:24:54 GMT -8
Geezus. When did Americans become such whiney little wimps?
And, gaslight much?
Wear a mask when among others.
Get vaxxed.
Keep your distance.
Yes, annoying, but simple.
It’s not like you’re charging the beaches at Iowo Jima. So quit pretending you are.
|
|
|
Post by azteccc on Jan 4, 2022 18:29:02 GMT -8
Geezus. When did Americans become such whiney little wimps? And, gaslight much? Wear a mask when among others. Get vaxxed. Keep your distance. Yes, annoying, but simple. It’s not like you’re charging the beaches at Iowo Jima. So quit pretending you are. Critical thinking: No longer allowed. Just do as your told. Sorry, I grew up listening to too much RATM and am one of those old school liberals that doesn't just believe everything the pharmaceutical industry sells. I also can read data, which makes blind acceptance tough.
|
|
|
Post by longtimebooster on Jan 4, 2022 18:39:27 GMT -8
Geezus. When did Americans become such whiney little wimps? And, gaslight much? Wear a mask when among others. Get vaxxed. Keep your distance. Yes, annoying, but simple. It’s not like you’re charging the beaches at Iowo Jima. So quit pretending you are. Critical thinking: No longer allowed. Just do as your told. Sorry, I grew up listening to too much RATM and am one of those old school liberals that doesn't just believe everything the pharmaceutical industry sells. I also can read data, which makes blind acceptance tough. Oh, please. I read data, too. In fact, I've taken a number of graduate-level statistics courses. Have you? What you spout is nonsense. And you lost the plot and all credibility way back when you were ballyhooing the notion that deaths would cap at 5,000 ... oops, 50,000. Missed it by that much.
|
|
|
Post by aztecking on Jan 4, 2022 18:43:06 GMT -8
Think of it this way bro…if you don’t want to do it for yourself and your fellow fans then do it (get boosted) for the players that could potentially lose their season if they have major outbreaks. The fewer potential fans with COVID in the arena is just a lesser chance something will happen to our players that would put our program on pause. I posted annoyed and in disbelief and most likely did not initially express myself very well, but as I said above I am almost completely out of patience with the heavy enforcement and doubling down of failed strategies people. Your last sentence exactly illustrates one of many issues with this most recent policy change - those vaccinated (and boosted) can, and are (at alarmingly high rates) still contracting Omarion/covid. I am vaccinated and just got done with quarantining due to a breakthrough infection, which the scientists say gives me the best protection of anyone on the planet. I am not going to go get another shot for no reason, and regardless of how well protected I am, policies fail to accept the science behind my current condition. If you want to say "everyone needs a negative test", that almost makes a lot of sense. If you are requiring a new $35 fee to enter a game, I'd like the option to get my money back. If you are saying three shots and you're in, regardless of whether you have covid, that is a risk reduction strategy that has failed and provides low and decreasing risk reduction. You don’t have to pay their $35 fee. That’s just for the same day arena testing. Regular COVID testing is still free in this country.
|
|
|
Post by aztecking on Jan 4, 2022 18:46:18 GMT -8
Critical thinking: No longer allowed. Just do as your told. Sorry, I grew up listening to too much RATM and am one of those old school liberals that doesn't just believe everything the pharmaceutical industry sells. I also can read data, which makes blind acceptance tough. Oh, please. I read data, too. In fact, I've taken a number of graduate-level statistics courses. Have you? What you spout is nonsense. And you lost the plot and all credibility way back when you were ballyhooing the notion that deaths would cap at 5,000 ... oops, 50,000. Missed it by that much. I have a Master’s in Statistics, have worked in the field for a dozen years and published multiple papers. Trust me…I’m as frustrated as you with people who probably got a C in high school statistics telling me that I don’t know how to interpret the data.
|
|
|
Post by azteccc on Jan 4, 2022 19:02:58 GMT -8
Critical thinking: No longer allowed. Just do as your told. Sorry, I grew up listening to too much RATM and am one of those old school liberals that doesn't just believe everything the pharmaceutical industry sells. I also can read data, which makes blind acceptance tough. Oh, please. I read data, too. In fact, I've taken a number of graduate-level statistics courses. Have you? What you spout is nonsense. And you lost the plot and all credibility way back when you were ballyhooing the notion that deaths would cap at 5,000 ... oops, 50,000. Missed it by that much. First of all, find where I said 5,000/50,000. I didn't, you're making things up. So you probably shouldn't do that, you lose all credibility. And then you want to appeal to educational background?! That's your play? Sorry, my BA is from State, so it might not be up to your lofty standards, but an emphasis on Quantitative Analysis within the Economics Department is the best I can do there (in your defense, grad level Econometrics was hard). We can also compare my Masters curriculum to yours if you want, it was probably a better school than yours but I only had to take three Quant Methods for Policy Analysis courses in my 4 semesters, guess I slacked off after my nonlinear regression analysis was only published in the school paper and nothing too widespread.
|
|
|
Post by azman on Jan 4, 2022 19:04:39 GMT -8
California Deputy DA Who Fought Vaccine Mandate Dies Abruptly After Falling Ill With COVID at Age 46"According to the Los Angeles Times, she fell ill shortly after speaking out against vaccine mandates at a rally organized by Turning Point USA on Dec. 4." “There’s nothing that matters more than our freedoms right now,” she was quoted telling the crowd during the rally at Irvine City Hall." "Ernby’s husband, Mattias Ernby, appeared to confirm his wife had not been vaccinated in response to a Facebook user who claimed she had died of blood clots after getting vaccinated. “She was NOT vaccinated. That was the problem,” Mattias Ernby wrote."www.thedailybeast.com/kelly-ernby-orange-county-california-deputy-da-dies-abruptly-after-falling-ill-with-covid-at-age-46She was morally superior...she didn't care about the virus...she wasn't elderly or whatever...and she didn't believe what she read from credible sources...but is free now...free from this life...and she could've been in Viejas breathing her death breath all over everyone...the vaccine doesn't prevent you from getting Covid...no one ever claimed this...it prevents you and everyone around you from dying or getting really sick...but...DON'T LOOK UP!!! I deleted my response to the dude who psotted above you because I just don’t have the patience at the moment… but yes me wondering why my breakthrough infection after vaccination that produced antibodies 1,000% more effective than a vaccination/booster (American Medical Association) and provided me “super immunity” (Oregon Health & Science University) doesn’t matter and I still have to be on the Pfizer subscription plan is exactly the same as some idiot anti-vaxxer who died. Totally the same and I’m low IQ and y’all are doing a great job listening to the politicians you support. 1. Correct me if Im wrong, but didnt you say before that you just had one J&J shot several months ago? 2. You can always produce a negative test to get in, if you want to. Yes, I realize this may cost extra money and is annoying
|
|
|
Post by chris92065 on Jan 4, 2022 19:13:49 GMT -8
Geezus. When did Americans become such whiney little wimps? And, gaslight much? Wear a mask when among others. Get vaxxed. Keep your distance. Yes, annoying, but simple. It’s not like you’re charging the beaches at Iowo Jima. So quit pretending you are. I use to work with highly contagious patients in the medical field. Only n95 masks truly protect people from transmission. I learned this when dealing with people with tb. The policy was n95 masks were required and nothing else was allowed. Also glove up. So if you are not wearing a n95, you are not fully protected. I agree with you about vax, but the effectiveness of wearing masks has been exaggerated by the cdc.
|
|
|
Post by darksidereturns on Jan 4, 2022 19:17:20 GMT -8
Critical thinking: No longer allowed. Just do as your told. Sorry, I grew up listening to too much RATM and am one of those old school liberals that doesn't just believe everything the pharmaceutical industry sells. I also can read data, which makes blind acceptance tough. Trying to understand your opinion. So using your critical thinking, you got vaccinated last year. You didn't just believe the government or the Pharm industry, you came to the conclusion that vaccination was the best course of action for you. You had a breakthrough case of covid. You didn't die or get seriously harmed. Perhaps your vaccination helped your body heal. Yay science. And now when it is recommended to get a booster or not come to games, your reply is F that, I will not just do as I am told. I don't believe everything the pharm industry sells. So you have had a change of heart. Today you think the vaccination/booster is bad...why? what changed? Because you think the vaccines don't work? The vaccine may well have saved your life. The data shows vaccinated people are less likely to suffer severe responses. Nobody is saying there will be no breakthrough cases. Everyone is saying the reaction will be mitigated. You had no ill effect from the vaccine so why not take the booster and enjoy what you enjoy. Seems odd to draw the line in the sand at vaccination is fine but I will not booster.
|
|
|
Post by AzTex on Jan 4, 2022 19:18:17 GMT -8
Think of it this way bro…if you don’t want to do it for yourself and your fellow fans then do it (get boosted) for the players that could potentially lose their season if they have major outbreaks. The fewer potential fans with COVID in the arena is just a lesser chance something will happen to our players that would put our program on pause. I posted annoyed and in disbelief and most likely did not initially express myself very well, but as I said above I am almost completely out of patience with the heavy enforcement and doubling down of failed strategies people. Your last sentence exactly illustrates one of many issues with this most recent policy change - those vaccinated (and boosted) can, and are (at alarmingly high rates) still contracting Omarion/covid. I am vaccinated and just got done with quarantining due to a breakthrough infection, which the scientists say gives me the best protection of anyone on the planet. I am not going to go get another shot for no reason, and regardless of how well protected I am, policies fail to accept the science behind my current condition. If you want to say "everyone needs a negative test", that almost makes a lot of sense. If you are requiring a new $35 fee to enter a game, I'd like the option to get my money back. If you are saying three shots and you're in, regardless of whether you have covid, that is a risk reduction strategy that has failed and provides low and decreasing risk reduction. Have you contacted the ticket office to see if this is an option? Don't complain about it here, none of us can do anything to help.
|
|
|
Post by azteccc on Jan 4, 2022 19:25:48 GMT -8
Have you contacted the ticket office to see if this is an option? Yes Trying to understand your opinion. Today you think the vaccination/booster is bad...why? what changed? Because you think the vaccines don't work? Everything but the bolded is a fairly accurate representation of my opinion. the effectiveness of wearing masks has been exaggerated by the cdc. Any thoughts about the effectiveness of an arbitrary six three feet? 1. you just had one J&J shot several months ago? 2. You can always produce a negative test to get in, Yes, which I realize the studies on breakthrough antibodies are based on Pfizer, and yes, you can. Like I stated above, it would make a lot more sense for everyone to have to produce that test if your goal is risk/harm reduction. You don’t have to pay their $35 fee. That’s just for the same day arena testing. Regular COVID testing is still free in this country. When was the last time you tried to get tested? When was the last time you tried to get a free test turned around in less than 24 hours?
|
|
|
Post by longtimebooster on Jan 4, 2022 19:34:59 GMT -8
Geezus. When did Americans become such whiney little wimps? And, gaslight much? Wear a mask when among others. Get vaxxed. Keep your distance. Yes, annoying, but simple. It’s not like you’re charging the beaches at Iowo Jima. So quit pretending you are. I use to work with highly contagious patients in the medical field. Only n95 masks truly protect people from transmission. I learned this when dealing with people with tb. The policy was n95 masks were required and nothing else was allowed. Also glove up. So if you are not wearing a n95, you are not fully protected. I agree with you about vax, but the effectiveness of wearing masks has been exaggerated by the cdc. Yes, which is why most European countries require N95 masks to enter public places and on air travel. The U.S., meanwhile remains a cluster*** when it comes to masks.
|
|
|
Post by darksidereturns on Jan 4, 2022 19:41:10 GMT -8
Trying to understand your opinion. Today you think the vaccination/booster is bad...why? what changed? Because you think the vaccines don't work? Everything but the bolded is a fairly accurate representation of my opinion. Are you denying vaccinated people have less severe outcomes when recovering covid compared to the unvaccinated?
|
|
|
Post by longtimebooster on Jan 4, 2022 19:41:12 GMT -8
Oh, please. I read data, too. In fact, I've taken a number of graduate-level statistics courses. Have you? What you spout is nonsense. And you lost the plot and all credibility way back when you were ballyhooing the notion that deaths would cap at 5,000 ... oops, 50,000. Missed it by that much. First of all, find where I said 5,000/50,000. I didn't, you're making things up. So you probably shouldn't do that, you lose all credibility. And then you want to appeal to educational background?! That's your play? Sorry, my BA is from State, so it might not be up to your lofty standards, but an emphasis on Quantitative Analysis within the Economics Department is the best I can do there (in your defense, grad level Econometrics was hard). We can also compare my Masters curriculum to yours if you want, it was probably a better school than yours but I only had to take three Quant Methods for Policy Analysis courses in my 4 semesters, guess I slacked off after my nonlinear regression analysis was only published in the school paper and nothing too widespread. Yes, we both have big swinging d**ks when it comes to academics. I won't regal you with my GPA or SAT/GMAT scores. Big Whoop. Which makes it all the more perplexing why you spend all this time and effort on right-wing, nonsensical, anti-vax-footsie gaslighting.
|
|
|
Post by myownwords on Jan 4, 2022 19:53:02 GMT -8
Think of it this way bro…if you don’t want to do it for yourself and your fellow fans then do it (get boosted) for the players that could potentially lose their season if they have major outbreaks. The fewer potential fans with COVID in the arena is just a lesser chance something will happen to our players that would put our program on pause. I posted annoyed and in disbelief and most likely did not initially express myself very well, but as I said above I am almost completely out of patience with the heavy enforcement and doubling down of failed strategies people. Your last sentence exactly illustrates one of many issues with this most recent policy change - those vaccinated (and boosted) can, and are (at alarmingly high rates) still contracting Omarion/Covid. I am vaccinated and just got done with quarantining due to a breakthrough infection, which the scientists say gives me the best protection of anyone on the planet. I am not going to go get another shot for no reason, and regardless of how well protected I am, policies fail to accept the science behind my current condition. If you want to say "everyone needs a negative test", that almost makes a lot of sense. If you are requiring a new $35 fee to enter a game, I'd like the option to get my money back. If you are saying three shots and you're in, regardless of whether you have Covid, that is a risk reduction strategy that has failed and provides low and decreasing risk reduction. As with the old movie title, "Stop Making Sense", Azteccc. I've had Covid twice---December 2020 and January 1, 2022. The first was a 7 on a 10-scale of discomfort. This one, a 2. The only place I could get tested was at a hospital ER. Fascinating observation was that all of the doctors, nurses and other staff, were outfitted with N-95's, but also had these masks "sealed" to their faces with adhesive tape. Hardcore. The doctor told me the tape was to create better filtering, AND prevent wearers from removing or creating invasion gaps. He also said, that MOST of the new incoming patients to the ER were FULLY vaccinated.
|
|
|
Post by azman on Jan 4, 2022 19:53:07 GMT -8
1. you just had one J&J shot several months ago? 2. You can always produce a negative test to get in, Yes, which I realize the studies on breakthrough antibodies are based on Pfizer, and yes, you can. Like I stated above, it would make a lot more sense for everyone to have to produce that test if your goal is risk/harm reduction. The one shot J&J has been known to the be the least effective vaccination for several months, and gives hardly any protection against Omicron. An mRNA booster shot has increased efficacy of the J&J vaccine by quite a lot, The data has shown this for months. Had you gotten a booster, you would still be eligible to go the games, and maybe you would not have had a breakthrough case either, or passed it along (if you did). If you were responsible enough to get the initial shot months ago, Im not sure why you wouldnt have followed up on it? Not trying to lecture you, but this is a new virus and the science changes as more data comes out. It helps to stay up to date on vax info
|
|