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Post by aardvark on Sept 23, 2021 14:32:33 GMT -8
Do people think this is rare? It's not limited to the Padres at all. Frankly, I don't give a crap about the other teams. I'm concerned about the team that has gone 27-42 since July 1st.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2021 14:44:26 GMT -8
Ryan is right. To the point of GMs and their analytics guys crafting daily lineups based on advanced stats & analytics for the best matchups.
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 23, 2021 14:52:00 GMT -8
Do people think this is rare? It's not limited to the Padres at all. Frankly, I don't give a crap about the other teams. I'm concerned about the team that has gone 27-42 since July 1st. That's fine, but context is valuable here. Do you think Gabe Kapler figured out how to manage going to San Francisco?
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Post by aardvark on Sept 23, 2021 15:28:20 GMT -8
Frankly, I don't give a crap about the other teams. I'm concerned about the team that has gone 27-42 since July 1st. That's fine, but context is valuable here. Do you think Gabe Kapler figured out how to manage going to San Francisco? The one thing I do know is what's happening in San Diego with the Padres is not working.
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 23, 2021 15:44:41 GMT -8
That's fine, but context is valuable here. Do you think Gabe Kapler figured out how to manage going to San Francisco? The one thing I do know is what's happening in San Diego with the Padres is not working. Because it's literally never been done before, at least to my knowledge.
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Post by aardvark on Sept 23, 2021 16:34:43 GMT -8
The one thing I do know is what's happening in San Diego with the Padres is not working. Because it's literally never been done before, at least to my knowledge. Great reason for change then.
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 23, 2021 17:32:15 GMT -8
Because it's literally never been done before, at least to my knowledge. Great reason for change then. Easier said than done to implement on the scale of what the Giants did.
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Post by johneaztec on Sept 23, 2021 19:33:08 GMT -8
Frankly, I don't give a crap about the other teams. I'm concerned about the team that has gone 27-42 since July 1st. That's fine, but context is valuable here. Do you think Gabe Kapler figured out how to manage going to San Francisco? Sure, he could have always known how to manage. His system, and hitting coach hires, etc, are working in SF. Sometimes it's about a fit, and it's working there.
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Post by aardvark on Sept 23, 2021 21:01:30 GMT -8
Great reason for change then. Easier said than done to implement on the scale of what the Giants did. No one thought the Giants were going to do anything this season, but many prognosticators had the Padres in the playoffs, with some predicting the Padres going deep into said playoffs. I would still like to think the Padres have more talent than the Giants (this season's results not withstanding), so I would think an experienced manager should have been able to lead this team at least to the post-season, and not struggle to stay above .500, or even finishing ahead of Colorado.
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Post by sdsuball on Sept 23, 2021 23:42:59 GMT -8
Ryan is right. To the point of GMs and their analytics guys crafting daily lineups based on advanced stats & analytics for the best matchups. Yeah except this front office is not crafting lineups based on analytics
Sure, maybe they are looking at lefty/rights splits, but they are overvaluing OWAR and undervaluing DWAR Hosmer should be getting less playing time, Kim more - Hosmer is a better pinch hitter and Kim is a better defender (and we reversed how we used them this season). Tingler rarely used Kim as a defensive replacement too. We should have seen more of Kim in the infield and Frazier in the outfield with how poorly our corner infielders are playing Tatis should never be batting first - and Ryan look at the analytics on that and get back to me - find me another manager/GM (not sure if Preller or Tingler is responsible for that one) who would bat Tatis first. Oh and the middle of a pennant race move of Tatis from SS to CF was idiotic. Kim more playing time/Hosmer less is 1-2 more WAR Lineup optimization is 1-2 WAR Honestly, if we made those two changes we might still be in playoff contention. Tingler's lack of leadership also arguable lead to underperformance No, I would argue that with Bochy as the manager we would be tied with the Cardinals right now.
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Post by sdsuball on Sept 23, 2021 23:47:54 GMT -8
Weren't some people here talking about Preller getting a statue out front one day? Lol. Lol - Yeah, dude. A general manager constructs a roster given the resources to them by ownership. In the span of a couple weeks, AJ traded for Yu Darvish, former Cy Young Award winner Blake Snell and massively underrated Joe Musgrove to reinforce the starting rotation. The question that needs to be asked is why players that come here underperform dramatically to expectations? Is Yu Darvish suddenly not good anymore? They traded for three top 30 arms. Three. Only Musgrove really pitched to his potential. They probably need 12+ WAR out of that trio...they didn't even get 10. If you would have told me before this season that this roster would have a 22-year-old shortstop hit 40 home runs and steal 25 bases, Joe Musgrove would throw a no-hitter, Mark Melancon would have a stellar year as a closer and Jake Cronenworth would take another step towards being a star, I would have assumed the team would win 95 games. Unfortunately, that didn't happen. That doesn't mean the pieces weren't in place to do so, though. They had a deal in place to acquire Max Scherzer at the deadline before the Nationals and Scott Boras did what they did. AJ of course gets no credit for that because it didn't come to fruition. How different would this rotation be with Scherzer getting starts instead of Vince Velasquez? Just a bit different, right? There's a solid core in place, as constructed by AJ Preller. The only notable free agent is Tommy Pham on the position player side. Everyone else is under control through at least next season. Preller isn't going to be fired - He's under contract through 2026 and was promoted just a few months ago. Strengthen the group around him and add some reinforcements to the roster (again) while cutting bait with the albatross on the roster. Darvish's regression was predictable 100% due to his age - but so was Davies's regression when you look at how lucky Davies was last year on BABIP Snell's regression was not. All of the injuries were not predictable. It might be worth taking a closer look at our training staff and team doctors.
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Post by johneaztec on Sept 24, 2021 0:20:09 GMT -8
Lol - Yeah, dude. A general manager constructs a roster given the resources to them by ownership. In the span of a couple weeks, AJ traded for Yu Darvish, former Cy Young Award winner Blake Snell and massively underrated Joe Musgrove to reinforce the starting rotation. The question that needs to be asked is why players that come here underperform dramatically to expectations? Is Yu Darvish suddenly not good anymore? They traded for three top 30 arms. Three. Only Musgrove really pitched to his potential. They probably need 12+ WAR out of that trio...they didn't even get 10. If you would have told me before this season that this roster would have a 22-year-old shortstop hit 40 home runs and steal 25 bases, Joe Musgrove would throw a no-hitter, Mark Melancon would have a stellar year as a closer and Jake Cronenworth would take another step towards being a star, I would have assumed the team would win 95 games. Unfortunately, that didn't happen. That doesn't mean the pieces weren't in place to do so, though. They had a deal in place to acquire Max Scherzer at the deadline before the Nationals and Scott Boras did what they did. AJ of course gets no credit for that because it didn't come to fruition. How different would this rotation be with Scherzer getting starts instead of Vince Velasquez? Just a bit different, right? There's a solid core in place, as constructed by AJ Preller. The only notable free agent is Tommy Pham on the position player side. Everyone else is under control through at least next season. Preller isn't going to be fired - He's under contract through 2026 and was promoted just a few months ago. Strengthen the group around him and add some reinforcements to the roster (again) while cutting bait with the albatross on the roster. Darvish's regression was predictable 100% due to his age - but so was Davies's regression when you look at how lucky Davies was last year on BABIP Snell's regression was not. All of the injuries were not predictable. It might be worth taking a closer look at our training staff and team doctors. It also didn't help Darvish when they took away the sticky stuff.
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 24, 2021 8:26:16 GMT -8
Darvish's regression was predictable 100% due to his age - but so was Davies's regression when you look at how lucky Davies was last year on BABIP Snell's regression was not. All of the injuries were not predictable. It might be worth taking a closer look at our training staff and team doctors. It also didn't help Darvish when they took away the sticky stuff. Has nothing to do with it. His spin rates went up in several starts post-ban. He was extremely unlucky with home runs, especially in the Miami outing and he's never been healthy in the second half of the year. The back has been an issue for a while and he's basically pitched through it.
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 24, 2021 13:13:51 GMT -8
An interesting development today - It sounds like there may be a possibility that the Padres promote a GM from within so that Preller can focus more specifically on scouting/development. I would assume that would be Josh Stein, but not 100% sure. Overhaul continues today as more scouts were let go from the organization.
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Post by survalli on Sept 24, 2021 14:52:00 GMT -8
An interesting development today - It sounds like there may be a possibility that the Padres promote a GM from within so that Preller can focus more specifically on scouting/development. I would assume that would be Josh Stein, but not 100% sure. Overhaul continues today as more scouts were let go from the organization. im not going to lay it all at the feet of Preller. Id give him another year. same with Tingler. Advance Scouting needs work. Padres looked unprepared going into matchups.
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 24, 2021 15:04:00 GMT -8
An interesting development today - It sounds like there may be a possibility that the Padres promote a GM from within so that Preller can focus more specifically on scouting/development. I would assume that would be Josh Stein, but not 100% sure. Overhaul continues today as more scouts were let go from the organization. im not going to lay it all at the feet of Preller. Id give him another year. same with Tingler. Advance Scouting needs work. Padres looked unprepared going into matchups. Preller's not going anywhere. Tingler likely isn't going to survive.
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Post by junior on Sept 24, 2021 17:34:05 GMT -8
An interesting development today - It sounds like there may be a possibility that the Padres promote a GM from within so that Preller can focus more specifically on scouting/development. I would assume that would be Josh Stein, but not 100% sure. Overhaul continues today as more scouts were let go from the organization. You were insistent that Preller would not be dethroned as GM. … this would be a large sized demotion.
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Post by johneaztec on Sept 24, 2021 19:06:53 GMT -8
It also didn't help Darvish when they took away the sticky stuff. Has nothing to do with it. His spin rates went up in several starts post-ban. He was extremely unlucky with home runs, especially in the Miami outing and he's never been healthy in the second half of the year. The back has been an issue for a while and he's basically pitched through it. What do you mean when you say he was unlucky with home runs?
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 24, 2021 19:06:53 GMT -8
An interesting development today - It sounds like there may be a possibility that the Padres promote a GM from within so that Preller can focus more specifically on scouting/development. I would assume that would be Josh Stein, but not 100% sure. Overhaul continues today as more scouts were let go from the organization. You were insistent that Preller would not be dethroned as GM. … this would be a large sized demotion. Really wouldn't be...and I've said from the get go that he wouldn't be fired.
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Post by junior on Sept 24, 2021 19:26:19 GMT -8
OK, whatever.
He would have very little control over the day-to-day of the team as director of scouting and PD. If that isn't a demotion, it would sure feel like one - whether it would feel that way to him is another story.
Still, it's all just speculation until there's something more official. It's clear that they're doing some housecleaning at the scouting/player development level.
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