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Post by mySTRAS on Sept 21, 2021 22:44:17 GMT -8
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Post by onions on Sept 22, 2021 5:39:46 GMT -8
So instead of winning 3 games they’ll only win 2?
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Post by longtimebooster on Sept 22, 2021 6:01:41 GMT -8
He's appealing. Sounds like he may have a case. SJSU fired their coach and had no NCAA compliance counselors in their program. Washington violated some regulations on the NBA draft process, whose waters he tested before opting to return to school, along with playing in a 3-on-3 tournament. Sounds like an awful guy who should be sent to a gulag for his transgressions. I'm guessing the NCAA paper pushers may see the light.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2021 7:28:09 GMT -8
...and then you have coaches who pay players 100k to sign with them and they get a slap on the wrist. NCAA is a sick joke!
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Post by panammaniac on Sept 22, 2021 7:29:17 GMT -8
SJSU is the epitome of why you don’t use supposed TV markets as the sole justification for adding schools to a conference. They contribute absolutely nothing to MWC in basketball, and next to nothing in football or any other sport. Their facilities are crap. Their football stadium is an old rust bucket not even worthy of some of the better high school games. Their attendance is crap. Last time I went to a game there I was walking from the parking lot to the box office to buy my tickets and someone just handed me free tickets, and at least 8 other people offered me free tickets on the way in. You can’t even give away tickets to their games. They play their basketball games in a civic center. They are at best the third most followed college football team in their market. For hoops they’re probably more like 6th behind Cal, Stanford, and the WCC schools in the area. They travel poorly and have few fans outside of San Jose. Yet someone thought they were a no-brainer addition to the conference. NMSU would have been a far better addition. Better facilities and competitive programs outside of football, and at the time SJSU was added we were beating them in football too. But everyone’s hung up on the TV market thing. I know, money talks. But I also think people will watch exciting, competitive games regardless of market, so you can make the argument that adding a program that brings some additional competitiveness to a conference is as good as adding a bad school in a big market.
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Post by jp92grad on Sept 22, 2021 8:18:51 GMT -8
SJSU is the epitome of why you don’t use supposed TV markets as the sole justification for adding schools to a conference. They contribute absolutely nothing to MWC in basketball, and next to nothing in football or any other sport. Their facilities are crap. Their football stadium is an old rust bucket not even worthy of some of the better high school games. Their attendance is crap. Last time I went to a game there I was walking from the parking lot to the box office to buy my tickets and someone just handed me free tickets, and at least 8 other people offered me free tickets on the way in. You can’t even give away tickets to their games. They play their basketball games in a civic center. They are at best the third most followed college football team in their market. For hoops they’re probably more like 6th behind Cal, Stanford, and the WCC schools in the area. They travel poorly and have few fans outside of San Jose. Yet someone thought they were a no-brainer addition to the conference. NMSU would have been a far better addition. Better facilities and competitive programs outside of football, and at the time SJSU was added we were beating them in football too. But everyone’s hung up on the TV market thing. I know, money talks. But I also think people will watch exciting, competitive games regardless of market, so you can make the argument that adding a program that brings some additional competitiveness to a conference is as good as adding a bad school in a big market. Sounds like SDSU just as our new arena opened up (maybe it was the basketball coach that gave u the tickets)
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Post by panammaniac on Sept 22, 2021 8:32:25 GMT -8
SJSU is the epitome of why you don’t use supposed TV markets as the sole justification for adding schools to a conference. They contribute absolutely nothing to MWC in basketball, and next to nothing in football or any other sport. Their facilities are crap. Their football stadium is an old rust bucket not even worthy of some of the better high school games. Their attendance is crap. Last time I went to a game there I was walking from the parking lot to the box office to buy my tickets and someone just handed me free tickets, and at least 8 other people offered me free tickets on the way in. You can’t even give away tickets to their games. They play their basketball games in a civic center. They are at best the third most followed college football team in their market. For hoops they’re probably more like 6th behind Cal, Stanford, and the WCC schools in the area. They travel poorly and have few fans outside of San Jose. Yet someone thought they were a no-brainer addition to the conference. NMSU would have been a far better addition. Better facilities and competitive programs outside of football, and at the time SJSU was added we were beating them in football too. But everyone’s hung up on the TV market thing. I know, money talks. But I also think people will watch exciting, competitive games regardless of market, so you can make the argument that adding a program that brings some additional competitiveness to a conference is as good as adding a bad school in a big market. Sounds like SDSU just as our new arena opened up (maybe it was the basketball coach that gave u the tickets) Except you guys actually were contributing to the conference back then. Not in hoops, but in everything else. Even in hoops, I remember the Smokey Gaines days of playing at the Sports Arena, sometimes in front of a few packed houses. In those days it was an "NBA Arena" with the Clippers still in town. Before the Clippers arrived your hoops team would play at the Sports Arena but with half the arena curtained off.
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Post by sdcoug on Sept 22, 2021 9:17:24 GMT -8
He's appealing. Sounds like he may have a case. SJSU fired their coach and had no NCAA compliance counselors in their program. Washington violated some regulations on the NBA draft process, whose waters he tested before opting to return to school, along with playing in a 3-on-3 tournament. Sounds like an awful guy who should be sent to a gulag for his transgressions. I'm guessing the NCAA paper pushers may see the light. No doubt. I have a feeling this turns into a 10-game suspension, or something along those lines. He's a terrific talent & it would be good for the conference if he's able to play.
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Post by sdcoug on Sept 22, 2021 9:22:13 GMT -8
SJSU is the epitome of why you don’t use supposed TV markets as the sole justification for adding schools to a conference. They contribute absolutely nothing to MWC in basketball, and next to nothing in football or any other sport. Their facilities are crap. Their football stadium is an old rust bucket not even worthy of some of the better high school games. Their attendance is crap. Last time I went to a game there I was walking from the parking lot to the box office to buy my tickets and someone just handed me free tickets, and at least 8 other people offered me free tickets on the way in. You can’t even give away tickets to their games. They play their basketball games in a civic center. They are at best the third most followed college football team in their market. For hoops they’re probably more like 6th behind Cal, Stanford, and the WCC schools in the area. They travel poorly and have few fans outside of San Jose. Yet someone thought they were a no-brainer addition to the conference. NMSU would have been a far better addition. Better facilities and competitive programs outside of football, and at the time SJSU was added we were beating them in football too. But everyone’s hung up on the TV market thing. I know, money talks. But I also think people will watch exciting, competitive games regardless of market, so you can make the argument that adding a program that brings some additional competitiveness to a conference is as good as adding a bad school in a big market. Seriously? They won the conference last year, and have a terrific coach. Plus, the school is sinking money into athletics, as seen with the new football building & stadium remodel, and have a bevy of donors available to them. They were on the brink of being a good basketball program until Wojcik f'd up & got canned and Miles is a terrific hire so it's obvious they're now taking that seriously. SJSU is very much like SDSU 12-13 years ago. PS. Not too long ago the 2 teams CBSSN would pick to broadcast their games most often were SDSU & SJSU. It used to cost us ESPN "bonus money", but when that was a thing. Why do you think they picked SJSU so often? (hint: it wasn't due to their team at the time)
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Post by missiontrails on Sept 22, 2021 10:42:13 GMT -8
SJSU is the epitome of why you don’t use supposed TV markets as the sole justification for adding schools to a conference. They contribute absolutely nothing to MWC in basketball, and next to nothing in football or any other sport. Their facilities are crap. Their football stadium is an old rust bucket not even worthy of some of the better high school games. Their attendance is crap. Last time I went to a game there I was walking from the parking lot to the box office to buy my tickets and someone just handed me free tickets, and at least 8 other people offered me free tickets on the way in. You can’t even give away tickets to their games. They play their basketball games in a civic center. They are at best the third most followed college football team in their market. For hoops they’re probably more like 6th behind Cal, Stanford, and the WCC schools in the area. They travel poorly and have few fans outside of San Jose. Yet someone thought they were a no-brainer addition to the conference. NMSU would have been a far better addition. Better facilities and competitive programs outside of football, and at the time SJSU was added we were beating them in football too. But everyone’s hung up on the TV market thing. I know, money talks. But I also think people will watch exciting, competitive games regardless of market, so you can make the argument that adding a program that brings some additional competitiveness to a conference is as good as adding a bad school in a big market. Keep on trying....we're STILL not going going to replace SJSU with NMSU!
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Post by panammaniac on Sept 22, 2021 13:50:39 GMT -8
SJSU is the epitome of why you don’t use supposed TV markets as the sole justification for adding schools to a conference. They contribute absolutely nothing to MWC in basketball, and next to nothing in football or any other sport. Their facilities are crap. Their football stadium is an old rust bucket not even worthy of some of the better high school games. Their attendance is crap. Last time I went to a game there I was walking from the parking lot to the box office to buy my tickets and someone just handed me free tickets, and at least 8 other people offered me free tickets on the way in. You can’t even give away tickets to their games. They play their basketball games in a civic center. They are at best the third most followed college football team in their market. For hoops they’re probably more like 6th behind Cal, Stanford, and the WCC schools in the area. They travel poorly and have few fans outside of San Jose. Yet someone thought they were a no-brainer addition to the conference. NMSU would have been a far better addition. Better facilities and competitive programs outside of football, and at the time SJSU was added we were beating them in football too. But everyone’s hung up on the TV market thing. I know, money talks. But I also think people will watch exciting, competitive games regardless of market, so you can make the argument that adding a program that brings some additional competitiveness to a conference is as good as adding a bad school in a big market. Keep on trying....we're STILL not going going to replace SJSU with NMSU! Keep on trying....you still won't get into the PAC-12. Sorry, not trying to be an ass. Just had to get a little jab in. It's all in fun. Seriously though, how excited do people in San Diego really get to see SJSU play? I know the answer to that. Remember, I was a SDSU season ticket holder for years. I know they have some big donors. They've been touting "potential" for as long as I can remember. TV market, yeah, outside of San Diego and San Jose there isn't much in the way of TV market in the MWC. Colorado State and Air Force supposedly have the Denver market, except they really don't. Saying CSU has the Denver market is like saying San Diego has the LA Market. So out of all of the MWC members, SDSU and SJSU are the ones that CBS is going to want to carry the most because they have the most TV sets. I give them that, but would still argue that they haven't contributed a heck of a lot to the conference and probably won't in the foreseeable future. They have the worst football attendance in the conference by quite a bit. Last I checked their home attendance average is around 14k, and that's with a home game with their archrival Fresno who they sell out for. You can't even give away tickets to most of their home football games. I'd also argue that SDSU basketball in the past was light years ahead of where SJSU is today. You had your rough patch in hoops, but before that you also had the glory years playing in front of a lot of large crowds at the Sports Arena. An eastern division of the MWC that contained NMSU, UNM, UTEP, Utah State, and the Colorado schools would be exciting as hell. There's years of history and some bitter, nasty rivalries built into most of that group. A lot of people would have fun watching all of those schools beat the crap out of each other on TV. It would be intense. The problem of course is that those schools aren't attached to a whole lot of TV sets, and that's literally the only reason SJSU was selected to join the MWC.
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Post by darksidereturns on Sept 22, 2021 14:15:28 GMT -8
SJSU stinks on ice. They have what 4 winning seasons this century. Horrible.
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Post by uwphoto on Sept 22, 2021 14:48:38 GMT -8
SJSU stinks on ice. They have what 4 winning seasons this century. Horrible. You better hope they stink on October 15! We probably go in 5-0. That game is gonna be tough..
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Post by missiontrails on Sept 23, 2021 7:12:37 GMT -8
Keep on trying....we're STILL not going going to replace SJSU with NMSU! Keep on trying....you still won't get into the PAC-12. Sorry, not trying to be an ass. Just had to get a little jab in. It's all in fun. Seriously though, how excited do people in San Diego really get to see SJSU play? I know the answer to that. Remember, I was a SDSU season ticket holder for years. I know they have some big donors. They've been touting "potential" for as long as I can remember. TV market, yeah, outside of San Diego and San Jose there isn't much in the way of TV market in the MWC. Colorado State and Air Force supposedly have the Denver market, except they really don't. Saying CSU has the Denver market is like saying San Diego has the LA Market. So out of all of the MWC members, SDSU and SJSU are the ones that CBS is going to want to carry the most because they have the most TV sets. I give them that, but would still argue that they haven't contributed a heck of a lot to the conference and probably won't in the foreseeable future. They have the worst football attendance in the conference by quite a bit. Last I checked their home attendance average is around 14k, and that's with a home game with their archrival Fresno who they sell out for. You can't even give away tickets to most of their home football games. I'd also argue that SDSU basketball in the past was light years ahead of where SJSU is today. You had your rough patch in hoops, but before that you also had the glory years playing in front of a lot of large crowds at the Sports Arena. An eastern division of the MWC that contained NMSU, UNM, UTEP, Utah State, and the Colorado schools would be exciting as hell. There's years of history and some bitter, nasty rivalries built into most of that group. A lot of people would have fun watching all of those schools beat the crap out of each other on TV. It would be intense. The problem of course is that those schools aren't attached to a whole lot of TV sets, and that's literally the only reason SJSU was selected to join the MWC. *For you - not us
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Post by panammaniac on Sept 23, 2021 8:43:18 GMT -8
Keep on trying....you still won't get into the PAC-12. Sorry, not trying to be an ass. Just had to get a little jab in. It's all in fun. Seriously though, how excited do people in San Diego really get to see SJSU play? I know the answer to that. Remember, I was a SDSU season ticket holder for years. I know they have some big donors. They've been touting "potential" for as long as I can remember. TV market, yeah, outside of San Diego and San Jose there isn't much in the way of TV market in the MWC. Colorado State and Air Force supposedly have the Denver market, except they really don't. Saying CSU has the Denver market is like saying San Diego has the LA Market. So out of all of the MWC members, SDSU and SJSU are the ones that CBS is going to want to carry the most because they have the most TV sets. I give them that, but would still argue that they haven't contributed a heck of a lot to the conference and probably won't in the foreseeable future. They have the worst football attendance in the conference by quite a bit. Last I checked their home attendance average is around 14k, and that's with a home game with their archrival Fresno who they sell out for. You can't even give away tickets to most of their home football games. I'd also argue that SDSU basketball in the past was light years ahead of where SJSU is today. You had your rough patch in hoops, but before that you also had the glory years playing in front of a lot of large crowds at the Sports Arena. An eastern division of the MWC that contained NMSU, UNM, UTEP, Utah State, and the Colorado schools would be exciting as hell. There's years of history and some bitter, nasty rivalries built into most of that group. A lot of people would have fun watching all of those schools beat the crap out of each other on TV. It would be intense. The problem of course is that those schools aren't attached to a whole lot of TV sets, and that's literally the only reason SJSU was selected to join the MWC. *For you - not us About as exciting, and with about as much national appeal, as SDSU vs. Wyoming, or Boise (in hoops), or most of the other MWC opponents. Seriously though, does anyone remember ESPN's Big Mondays back in the day? If I recall it was Big East, Big XII, and Big West telecast, in that order, with the Big West game usually tipping off around 10 PM west coast time. It was often a CSULB vs UCSB, or UCI vs CSUF, or Utah State vs NMSU type game. Back in the day, UNLV and NMSU were still in the Big West and it was a pretty solid hoops conference. The schools actually didn't mind the late starts - the students loved the late games and the arenas still sold out. The TV contract brought in good money for the conference, and the games were all fun and exciting. People watched because it was good, fun college basketball. The only school in that group with big national appeal was UNLV and they would only appear on Big Monday maybe 3 times over the course of the season. Those games were intriguing because they were hard fought matchups between a lot of schools that had a lot of years of history playing each other. That's what's missing today. Everybody's eyes are on ESPN's wallet and making conference alignments based on that instead of on schools that fans want to see their local team playing. And the wallets mostly empty based on football, but there are a lot of schools out there that have bad football teams but play very good basketball. This is why I say let the P5 be the P5. The rest, in my opinion, would be far better off reorganizing back into regional conferences that bring back more traditional rivalries and reduce travel costs. Let the MWC, AAC, CUSA, WAC, and Sun Belt shuffle the deck and create an alignment that makes sense and creates regional matchups that the fans really want to see. Unfortunately the chances of it happening in this day and age are slim to none. ESPN would rather have LSU and Alabama be on national TV every week. But it's really unfortunate times in the college sports world. A lot of great college basketball has been destroyed by the greed.
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Post by HollywoodAztec on Sept 23, 2021 17:08:29 GMT -8
Keep on trying....we're STILL not going going to replace SJSU with NMSU! Keep on trying....you still won't get into the PAC-12. Sorry, not trying to be an ass. Just had to get a little jab in. It's all in fun. Seriously though, how excited do people in San Diego really get to see SJSU play? I know the answer to that. Remember, I was a SDSU season ticket holder for years. I know they have some big donors. They've been touting "potential" for as long as I can remember. TV market, yeah, outside of San Diego and San Jose there isn't much in the way of TV market in the MWC. Colorado State and Air Force supposedly have the Denver market, except they really don't. Saying CSU has the Denver market is like saying San Diego has the LA Market. So out of all of the MWC members, SDSU and SJSU are the ones that CBS is going to want to carry the most because they have the most TV sets. I give them that, but would still argue that they haven't contributed a heck of a lot to the conference and probably won't in the foreseeable future. They have the worst football attendance in the conference by quite a bit. Last I checked their home attendance average is around 14k, and that's with a home game with their archrival Fresno who they sell out for. You can't even give away tickets to most of their home football games. I'd also argue that SDSU basketball in the past was light years ahead of where SJSU is today. You had your rough patch in hoops, but before that you also had the glory years playing in front of a lot of large crowds at the Sports Arena. An eastern division of the MWC that contained NMSU, UNM, UTEP, Utah State, and the Colorado schools would be exciting as hell. There's years of history and some bitter, nasty rivalries built into most of that group. A lot of people would have fun watching all of those schools beat the crap out of each other on TV. It would be intense. The problem of course is that those schools aren't attached to a whole lot of TV sets, and that's literally the only reason SJSU was selected to join the MWC. Please correct me if I'm mistaken but has UNM and NMSU ever been in the same conference? I don't recall NMSU being in the WAC16 either. In short, NMSU is in the bottom of the pecking order if MWC decides to expand. I would think that UTEP would be in line before you because at least UTEP has history with some MWC members.
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Post by panammaniac on Sept 23, 2021 19:21:07 GMT -8
Keep on trying....you still won't get into the PAC-12. Sorry, not trying to be an ass. Just had to get a little jab in. It's all in fun. Seriously though, how excited do people in San Diego really get to see SJSU play? I know the answer to that. Remember, I was a SDSU season ticket holder for years. I know they have some big donors. They've been touting "potential" for as long as I can remember. TV market, yeah, outside of San Diego and San Jose there isn't much in the way of TV market in the MWC. Colorado State and Air Force supposedly have the Denver market, except they really don't. Saying CSU has the Denver market is like saying San Diego has the LA Market. So out of all of the MWC members, SDSU and SJSU are the ones that CBS is going to want to carry the most because they have the most TV sets. I give them that, but would still argue that they haven't contributed a heck of a lot to the conference and probably won't in the foreseeable future. They have the worst football attendance in the conference by quite a bit. Last I checked their home attendance average is around 14k, and that's with a home game with their archrival Fresno who they sell out for. You can't even give away tickets to most of their home football games. I'd also argue that SDSU basketball in the past was light years ahead of where SJSU is today. You had your rough patch in hoops, but before that you also had the glory years playing in front of a lot of large crowds at the Sports Arena. An eastern division of the MWC that contained NMSU, UNM, UTEP, Utah State, and the Colorado schools would be exciting as hell. There's years of history and some bitter, nasty rivalries built into most of that group. A lot of people would have fun watching all of those schools beat the crap out of each other on TV. It would be intense. The problem of course is that those schools aren't attached to a whole lot of TV sets, and that's literally the only reason SJSU was selected to join the MWC. Please correct me if I'm mistaken but has UNM and NMSU ever been in the same conference? I don't recall NMSU being in the WAC16 either. In short, NMSU is in the bottom of the pecking order if MWC decides to expand. I would think that UTEP would be in line before you because at least UTEP has history with some MWC members. No, we have never been in the same conference. There’s a good chance hat we would go in at the same time as UTEP. Natural rivals and perfect travel pair. The schools are only 45 minutes apart. There’s actually quite a bit of history between NMSU and a lot of the MWC schools - more so than UTEP actually. We were conference mates with Fresno, SJSU, Utah State, UNLV, UNR, Boise, and Hawaii for quite a few years. With some of those we were in the Big West together, then the WAC together after that.
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