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Post by fatfreddy on Sept 19, 2021 13:00:37 GMT -8
I had the mumps measles and chickenpox so I have natural immunity. I cannot spread those to you or anyone else. A couple of years ago I decided to take the shingles vaccine, I am not anti-vax. It wasn't forced on me, thought it was a good idea after talking to my doctor AND MAKING MY OWN DECISION TO DO SO. Americans should have the right to make the same decision as to whether they want to take these COVID vaccines, all of which are genetically based vaccines that have no previous history of widespread use. As I have said, you get the jab you can still get and spread the virus. Plenty of studies showing that. Your personal vaccination status has no effect on anyone else. For the record, these current vaccines are not working as advertised. The length of their protection is much less that what we were promised and their protection for those at the highest risk of serious issues is questionable. But, Pfizer and the rest are making billions off the jabs. Hell, let's make this simple: 1. If you have your first shot and develop anaphylaxis or any other serious adverse reaction, should the government be able to force you to get a second shot of the COVID vaccine? 2. If you have a history of adverse reactions to vaccines, such as Guillain-Barre syndrome, due to vaccinations should the government be able to force you to get a COVID vaccine? 3. If you have any blood clotting actions after your first or second shot with any of the COVID vaccines, should the government be able to force you to continue to be vaccinated? 4. If you are healthy and pregnant should the government be able to force you to get the COVID vaccine? 5 If you are healthy and young (such as those under 30) where the odds are you are at greater risk of having a severe reaction to the COVID vaccines rather than being hospitalized for COVID, should the government be able to force you to take the vaccine? 6. If you are healthy at any age, with none of the comorbidities associated with serious complications with COVID should the government be able to force you to take the vaccine? 7. Even if you have health issues that make you at risk of serious issues from a COVID infection should the government be able to force you to take the vaccine? You can just quote this and post your answers in bold. I had GBS GUILLAIN BARRE & I was told to NOT take the vaccine!
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Post by tmy49 on Sept 19, 2021 13:23:02 GMT -8
We need to limit these gas lighting threads or put it somewhere OTHER than here.
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Post by standiego on Sept 19, 2021 13:28:25 GMT -8
The Vaccines are doing their job - they prevent people from getting the serious conditions of Covid so for the most part If People were getting the Vaccines then hospitals would not be over crowded and health care workers would not be on the brink of exhaustion . We would very likely being closer to getting this under control .
People have said If you have a Reputable Dr that Advises you to not get a Vaccination then do not . But also realize that we do not live in a bubble . COVID does spread even from people who have been vaccinated . But also realize that if unvaccinated then your chances are greater to spread COVID and very likely you will get COVID . Please remain in your Bubble - you can get groceries and medications delivered .
You also should realize that IF the Government decides it no longer has the money to cover hospital stays and treatments then you could be on the hook for paying for the stay in the Hospital and Treatment and possibly after care or funerals . My guess Insurance Companies could also refrain from covering certain parts of treatment especially for those who refuse to get vaccinated . We will see
It is very worth noting the The _ ox Network has maybe 85 -90 % of its employees or at least those on the air vaccinated yet continues to say People should not feel they have to get vaccinated . Why ? Go back and look at the thoughts of their strategy and by those preaching the same thing here - Take the Strategy of the NRA and Never agree to anything your opponent will say - even if it helpful to most Americans and could save lives . Their thoughts and we see it here Do Not let Biden and our country get COVID under control.... because Biden will use it to better his position . So it is not a Medical Decision for them it is primarily a Political One . All they care about is if their team wins .
When we get the vaccination administered by a professional - what do they LABEL it " A Jab " why because it is a way to slam a medical procedure in a very negative way fire up the base . Believe a "Jab ' is a punch - They choose their words very closely and in a way to put things or people down and so their followers can make fun of those medical people or those getting the Vaccine . Is that what they tell their children when they get Vaccinations that they need to get to go to school or what we get when we travel ? So do they make a call to get their" JAB " and do they call the Nurse a "JABBER"
If you also Notice they purposely select information or as it is known Dis or Mis Information from sources X , Y or Z and then repeat it out of context or as DEN readily admitted - He even selects Rumors - that he knows can not be proven accurate but still repeats them . Last week it was that SDSU had chosen to NIX the deal to get into the BIG 12 . Den is a very intelligent individual person, but has selective thoughts he puts out there and seeks to get people to argue with him on his pet topics . He brought up Israel was more progressive on dealing with Covid so we should follow them - but then Missed that they are even wanting to Vaccinate (or should he have said Jab ) people on their booster
When you look at his repeating of the RUMOR - that he acknowledged had no way of knowing if it could even be considered accurate - he did not start but only repeated multiple times . Do we look at what it means - Some One from SDSU Nixed the AZTECS getting into the Big 12 . Why put that rumor out there . There is a purpose when we put things out there . We are and should be accountable for our words . Who had the Power to make that decision . Think it is the President of SDSU . Den as I have said is an intelligent person and knows what he is putting out there and why . He has also comments out there about the State of CA . Then he usually adds personal comments about me , my grammar ( which I admit are not the best ) ....
It does make one wonder are certain people even Credible when they basically trying to provide DIS and Or MIS information , deflect what is a medical issue to one of politics . So it becomes the first amendment right instead of a medical one . Do some just want to take their slams so they can spout their political thoughts .
Thought the Idea was what can be done to slow or prevent Covid's spread . Get people back to work , get students back to class , fans back to games . Yes there will be some modifications that will be made .
So if you really care about stopping the Spread of Covid - WHAT ARE YOUR SOLUTIONS. Is easy and convenient to slam others but please provide your answers n ..........................
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Post by tmy49 on Sept 19, 2021 13:32:41 GMT -8
Couldn't agree more. Used to come to Aztec Mesa to get news and discussion on Aztec sports not this crap Personally not interested what all the Aztec Mesa experts have to say. If I want medical advise I think I will get it from my personal physician
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Post by standiego on Sept 19, 2021 14:46:11 GMT -8
Correct there are some that jump at the opportunity to deflect posts so they can make their comments known - happened here
also with the Post about Big 12 adding 4 schools ..... adding Rumor how SDSU NIXED the Aztecs joining the BIG 12 -
and others -
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Post by aztecnails on Sept 19, 2021 15:01:06 GMT -8
Solutions are 1) Doctors need to be allowed to use the treatment drugs like Ivermectin, HCQ, Regeneron and others against Covid to be given out to anyone. 2) Allow people to decide if they want to take or not take any vaccines without consequences like attending sporting events in person, ability to work without being fired for this choice and ability to live anywhere without being evicted for being unvaccinated as is being planned for some Florida apartment complexes. 3) Everyone should know about the 10 Nuremburg Code rules about not being coerced to take any vaccines when it applies to medical choice and when vaccine deaths happen exceeding a certain number (25 deaths got the swine flu vaccines pulled and Covid vaccine deaths have exceeded 25) that the vaccines are pulled and not be given out. Thank you to those who seek out information to make an educated informed consent decision about the ingredients in any vaccine.
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Post by Den60 on Sept 19, 2021 16:30:25 GMT -8
And yet, being vaccinated doesn't keep you from either catching or spreading COVID. That is known. So, tell me this, if the vaccine doesn't protect the vaccinated then why do the vaccinated want to demand others to be vaccinated? Our dementia addled mumbler-in-chief said recently, "we need to protect the vaccinated from the unvaccinated (paraphrased, the actual link to the speech is linked below). So tell me, why do the vaccinated need to be protected if the vaccine is effective? And if the vaccine isn't effective, why demand other people to get it? www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2021/09/09/remarks-by-president-biden-on-fighting-the-covid-19-pandemic-3/Do you know what a percentage is? If so, that’s your answer. If not, that’s fine too, but good luck You dodged the question. It was a very simple one by the way. I do understand why you did, though. As to yours, you can look at data from highly vaccinated places like Israel and the UK should you want to educate yourself. Israel is now calling for a 4th shot. No, I expect you won't, some people find comfort in being ignorant. Let me ask my very simple question once again:
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Post by Den60 on Sept 19, 2021 16:34:22 GMT -8
Hell, let's make this simple: 1. If you have your first shot and develop anaphylaxis or any other serious adverse reaction, should the government be able to force you to get a second shot of the COVID vaccine? 2. If you have a history of adverse reactions to vaccines, such as Guillain-Barre syndrome, due to vaccinations should the government be able to force you to get a COVID vaccine? 3. If you have any blood clotting actions after your first or second shot with any of the COVID vaccines, should the government be able to force you to continue to be vaccinated? 4. If you are healthy and pregnant should the government be able to force you to get the COVID vaccine? 5 If you are healthy and young (such as those under 30) where the odds are you are at greater risk of having a severe reaction to the COVID vaccines rather than being hospitalized for COVID, should the government be able to force you to take the vaccine? 6. If you are healthy at any age, with none of the comorbidities associated with serious complications with COVID should the government be able to force you to take the vaccine? 7. Even if you have health issues that make you at risk of serious issues from a COVID infection should the government be able to force you to take the vaccine? You can just quote this and post your answers in bold. I had GBS GUILLAIN BARRE & I was told to NOT take the vaccine! You, sir, are selfish for putting others at risk because you won't get a vaccine that will likely cause you great harm but will do nothing to protect anyone else hould you survive the hab.
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Post by azman on Sept 19, 2021 17:35:45 GMT -8
Hell, let's make this simple: 1. If you have your first shot and develop anaphylaxis or any other serious adverse reaction, should the government be able to force you to get a second shot of the COVID vaccine? 2. If you have a history of adverse reactions to vaccines, such as Guillain-Barre syndrome, due to vaccinations should the government be able to force you to get a COVID vaccine? 3. If you have any blood clotting actions after your first or second shot with any of the COVID vaccines, should the government be able to force you to continue to be vaccinated? 4. If you are healthy and pregnant should the government be able to force you to get the COVID vaccine? 5 If you are healthy and young (such as those under 30) where the odds are you are at greater risk of having a severe reaction to the COVID vaccines rather than being hospitalized for COVID, should the government be able to force you to take the vaccine? 6. If you are healthy at any age, with none of the comorbidities associated with serious complications with COVID should the government be able to force you to take the vaccine? 7. Even if you have health issues that make you at risk of serious issues from a COVID infection should the government be able to force you to take the vaccine? You can just quote this and post your answers in bold. I had GBS GUILLAIN BARRE & I was told to NOT take the vaccine! Ok, that is a valid reason to not get vaccinated. However, maybe 1% of the population has a valid reason not to. Anyone in the 99% not getting vaccinated is contributing to the ongoing crisis we are having. If you are tired of mask mandates and vaccine passports (and I am), GET VACCINATED! The sooner this happens, the sooner we can get back to some semblance of normalcy.
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Post by azman on Sept 19, 2021 17:42:48 GMT -8
Solutions are 1) Doctors need to be allowed to use the treatment drugs like Ivermectin, HCQ, Regeneron and others against Covid to be given out to anyone. 2) Allow people to decide if they want to take or not take any vaccines without consequences like attending sporting events in person, ability to work without being fired for this choice and ability to live anywhere without being evicted for being unvaccinated as is being planned for some Florida apartment complexes. 3) Everyone should know about the 10 Nuremburg Code rules about not being coerced to take any vaccines when it applies to medical choice and when vaccine deaths happen exceeding a certain number (25 deaths got the swine flu vaccines pulled and Covid vaccine deaths have exceeded 25) that the vaccines are pulled and not be given out. Thank you to those who seek out information to make an educated informed consent decision about the ingredients in any vaccine. Regeneron IS already allowed to be given as a treatment. The other stuff does not work. Do you really think if Ivermectin and HCQ actually worked, doctors would still refuse to prescribe them? Trump didnt even get HCQ when he got infected, he got the Regeneron antibodies. Vaccines can cause GBS, but the average is 1 in 100,000 people. Your odds of getting Covid and getting very sick or dying is much higher than that. Also, most people eventually fully recover from GBS. Turn off Youtube and Tucker Carlson and listen to actual science and facts.
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Post by azman on Sept 19, 2021 17:48:44 GMT -8
Do you know what a percentage is? If so, that’s your answer. If not, that’s fine too, but good luck You dodged the question. It was a very simple one by the way. I do understand why you did, though. As to yours, you can look at data from highly vaccinated places like Israel and the UK should you want to educate yourself. Israel is now calling for a 4th shot. No, I expect you won't, some people find comfort in being ignorant. Let me ask my very simple question once again: Here is the explanation: The vaccine was created against the initial DNA profile of SARS COV-2. It worked very well against that strain. It has since mutated several times and the vaccine now does not protect as well against Delta variant. Vaccine immunity also wanes over time with viruses that mutate, hence the reason there is a new flu shot every year. Im expecting a booster for Covid maybe once a year, covering new mutations. This is normal, and does not indicate the vaccine does not work. Besides that, even as its less effective overall, its still keeping the vast majority of people out of the hospital which is the most important thing. Your parents had to show proof that you were vaccinated against multiple things as a child to let you into public school pretty much everywhere. If you are in the military, you are required to receive several vaccines during boot camp. Vaccine “mandates” are not new. I dont understand why people are so resistant to this.
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Post by uwphoto on Sept 19, 2021 17:54:25 GMT -8
You dodged the question. It was a very simple one by the way. I do understand why you did, though. As to yours, you can look at data from highly vaccinated places like Israel and the UK should you want to educate yourself. Israel is now calling for a 4th shot. No, I expect you won't, some people find comfort in being ignorant. Let me ask my very simple question once again: Here is the explanation: The vaccine was created against the initial DNA profile of SARS COV-2. It worked very well against that strain. It has since mutated several times and the vaccine now does not protect as well against Delta variant. Vaccine immunity also wanes over time with viruses that mutate, hence the reason there is a new flu shot every year. Im expecting a booster for Covid maybe once a year, covering new mutations. This is normal, and does not indicate the vaccine does not work. Besides that, even as its less effective overall, its still keeping the vast majority of people out of the hospital which is the most important thing. Your parents had to show proof that you were vaccinated against multiple things as a child to let you into public school pretty much everywhere. If you are in the military, you are required to receive several vaccines during boot camp. Vaccine “mandates” are not new. I dont understand why people are so resistant to this. Because "I love the poorly educated"..and there's gold in them thar hills!
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Post by jp92grad on Sept 19, 2021 18:04:48 GMT -8
Time to move this post, it's grown up and needs to get its own home!
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Post by carpediemaztec on Sept 19, 2021 19:30:28 GMT -8
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Post by Aztec Empire on Sept 19, 2021 20:05:40 GMT -8
If you don't want to help keep people -- up to and including your family and fellow Aztecs -- stay safe, please, pretty please, with sugar on top... Stay the f*ck home. You and your friends of similar mind are killing people. Blah blah fear mongering pseudoscience. I’ll take my 7-13x more effective natural immunity, vitamin D, zinc, quercetin (as a zinc ionophore) and ivermectin for a serious case instead of an experimental treatment with 3-5 months of waining effectiveness. See you on the links.
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Sept 20, 2021 6:40:20 GMT -8
Your assertion is simply ridiculous. I’m unvaccinated and will always be. I’m not crying or whining, but I did come damn close to crying when I took a bullet for the United State in one of our foolish wars. I was confined to a hospital bed in Beaufort, South Carolina recovering from wounds for almost six months. I’m not vaccinated for two reasons: 1) I don’t want it 2) My cardiologist and pulmonologist advised against it. I will wear a mask. I do carry hand sanitizer with me at all times. I do carry my seizure medication that might be less effective if I were vaccinated, per my doctors. I also have a service dog that is seizure trained to give me advance warning of an attack. But I can’t attend a football game. There needs to be some type of provision for people that can not be vaccinated, at least for those that are not crying and whining. BTW I love broccoli. The number of people in your position, where there are legitimate health concerns PRIOR to getting vaccinated (where getting vaccinated could potentially pose a risk), is very small. Most people CAN and SHOULD get vaccinated. Again, what if this were Polio? What if people reacted like this in the 50's when that vaccine was rolled out? We'd still have a significant number of people suffering (and, eventually, dying) from polio today. Vaccines are not inherently bad - they are a very, VERY good thing. How in the world did we get to a place where preventing deaths is seen as an affront to peoples' freedoms? It's insane. Two points:
1) Polio is WAY worse than COVID. 2) The Polio vaccine actually works, its not some coronavirus that mutates constantly where you'd need to guess on the strand and then get a vaccine that may or may not protect you from it
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Post by sleepy on Sept 20, 2021 9:29:56 GMT -8
If you don't want to help keep people -- up to and including your family and fellow Aztecs -- stay safe, please, pretty please, with sugar on top... Stay the f*ck home. You and your friends of similar mind are killing people. Blah blah fear mongering pseudoscience. I’ll take my 7-13x more effective natural immunity, vitamin D, zinc, quercetin (as a zinc ionophore) and ivermectin for a serious case instead of an experimental treatment with 3-5 months of waining effectiveness. See you on the links. Boy, you are all sorts of stupid irresponsible. But, by all means, you go ahead and take your horse dewormer...
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Post by BigtimeAztec on Sept 20, 2021 10:22:00 GMT -8
Blah blah fear mongering pseudoscience. I’ll take my 7-13x more effective natural immunity, vitamin D, zinc, quercetin (as a zinc ionophore) and ivermectin for a serious case instead of an experimental treatment with 3-5 months of waining effectiveness. See you on the links. Blah, blah = idiot This is the standard answer I hear from people that can’t handle the truth to support their political ideologies.
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Post by longtimebooster on Sept 20, 2021 10:38:01 GMT -8
Two points:
1) Polio is WAY worse than COVID. 2) The Polio vaccine actually works, its not some coronavirus that mutates constantly where you'd need to guess on the strand and then get a vaccine that may or may not protect you from it
1) Not true. From 1950 to 1953 -- a four-year period -- there were 119k cases of polio in the U.S., with 6k deaths. In 1952, at the height of the polio epidemic, the virus caused just over 3k deaths. In January of this year, the U.S. was AVERAGING 250k cases and 4k deaths PER DAY from COVID. But, hey, thanks for playing. 2) The COVID vaccine is highly effective, but doesn't do much good if swaths of people are running around, spreading disinformation and refusing to do their part. But, hey, thanks for being part of the problem and not the solution. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_polio
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Post by sdsu2000 on Sept 20, 2021 11:21:53 GMT -8
Can't change people's mind.
Do what's best for you and your family.
Respect the rules/mandates/suggestions because it's not about you it's about the people that need to be there to make a living. You show no respect to those people there might come day when all those people decide not to show up because they are tired or scared of getting sick. That will really change your life.
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