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Post by fisherville on Sept 6, 2021 13:42:31 GMT -8
There is no scenario where Joshua and Nate playing together helps us. On either end of the floor, really hope you are getting bad information.
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Post by azteccc on Sept 6, 2021 18:25:54 GMT -8
There is no scenario where Joshua and Nate playing together helps us. On either end of the floor, really hope you are getting bad information. Yep, agreed. I mean, I don’t mind having it in our back pocket and it’d be better to see how it would look, I just don’t think he has the game - or at least hasn’t shown it yet - to be on the floor in that spot for a team with ambition. I can see how certain parts of his game would be better there, but my biggest concern by far would be speed on defense. His feet couldn’t keep up with a lot of 5s last year. But hope I’m wrong! I’d guess if the info is true they’re trying to see him workout in the Yanni role, I just don’t think he’s got that skill set. Would honestly be surprised if JT’s minutes didn’t measurably decline this year. |
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Post by standiego on Sept 6, 2021 21:23:00 GMT -8
Think a lot depends on how well TD is doing as the back up to Nathen at the 5 . If that is going well then it frees up Joshua to work at the 4 - think the position he would like to play
Think the Aztecs will give Keshad , AG , maybe Chad opportunities there - for the coaches it gives them multiple options depending on what the coaches feel they need at the 4 . All those guys bring different things to the table . Do not know what are better OOC opponents have in their line ups but it does give our coaches different ways to play on both offense and defense .
Would guess unless Joshua has really improved he would not be getting as much PT as the other guys - but you never know . Also depends on how well our 5's are playing defensively and on the boards and what the team needs
Also think that Chad was also a good FT shooter and in one of his interviews said he would do what the team needs to get a W
We are all waiting for Keshad to have a breakout season -
So practice should be interesting
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Post by sdcoug on Sept 7, 2021 11:29:36 GMT -8
There is no scenario where Joshua and Nate playing together helps us. On either end of the floor, really hope you are getting bad information. Maybe you need to explain that to Dutch & crew, since they're the ones pushing it. |
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Post by johnnyutah on Sept 7, 2021 11:36:00 GMT -8
There is no scenario where Joshua and Nate playing together helps us. On either end of the floor, really hope you are getting bad information. Maybe you need to explain that to Dutch & crew, since they're the ones pushing it. At end of last season, Dutch was doing an interview and said something about Tomaic and Nathan playing more together next season. I remember it specifically because it was before JT announced he was coming back, but I took that to mean he was coming back because Dutch said it and then after added "if he comes back" after he made the statement like he remembered that it wasn't out yet/official. |
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Post by sdcoug on Sept 7, 2021 11:43:11 GMT -8
There is no scenario where Joshua and Nate playing together helps us. On either end of the floor, really hope you are getting bad information. Maybe you need to explain that to Dutch & crew, since they're the ones pushing it. Just FYI, this comes from Dutch & crew talking to a certain member of the press who talks to certain members of this board at Swish games, etc., plus conversations with those at the JAM center who say Josh has been working out at the 4. |
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Post by fisherville on Sept 7, 2021 12:38:24 GMT -8
There is no scenario where Joshua and Nate playing together helps us. On either end of the floor, really hope you are getting bad information. Maybe you need to explain that to Dutch & crew, since they're the ones pushing it. Stop with the smart ass schtick |
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Post by standiego on Sept 7, 2021 14:06:44 GMT -8
For those who may have good insight at being able to analyze our Opponents - what would you guess to be the main players and their size for
BYU , ASU , George T , USC , Michigan -
Also for some of our better opponents in the MW ? Nevada , CSU , BSU , ...
Guys are in Fall Practice - so the coaches are getting a look at the best combinations the Aztecs will have on both ends of the court
Do think If TD can be the back up for Nathan( also hope he can stay healthy ) at the 5 - then it does free up Joshua to compete at the 4 position with Keshad ( can play the 4 or the 3 ) , AG ( if healthy ) , Chad ( he also could spend time at the 4 and 3 )- all depends on what the coaches want to see and the team needs on the floor . Is an advantage that the coaches recruit players that can play multiple positions .
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Post by sdcoug on Sept 7, 2021 15:32:07 GMT -8
For those who may have good insight at being able to analyze our Opponents - what would you guess to be the main players and their size for BYU , ASU , George T , USC , Michigan - Also for some of our better opponents in the MW ? Nevada , CSU , BSU , ... Guys are in Fall Practice - so the coaches are getting a look at the best combinations the Aztecs will have on both ends of the court Do think If TD can be the back up for Nathan( also hope he can stay healthy ) at the 5 - then it does free up Joshua to compete at the 4 position with Keshad ( can play the 4 or the 3 ) , AG ( if healthy ) , Chad ( he also could spend time at the 4 and 3 )- all depends on what the coaches want to see and the team needs on the floor . Is an advantage that the coaches recruit players that can play multiple positions . I'm pretty sure actual practices don't start for a few weeks - contact with the team is very limited. Better to analyze those teams in October, after there are actual practice reports, than in early Sept when players are just arriving to campus is many places. |
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Post by standiego on Sept 7, 2021 16:58:14 GMT -8
my mistake thought Fall Practices started when school started
Are the players able to use the JAM center and are the coaches allowed to be there at the same time or by coincidence
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Post by azteccc on Sept 7, 2021 18:50:17 GMT -8
He's not playing the "wing" by any definition of the term, but they are working him out at the 4 (old school style) and see him playing with Nate (or Diamate) this year. Maybe you need to explain that to Dutch & crew, since they're the ones pushing it. I'm pretty sure actual practices don't start for a few weeks - contact with the team is very limited. Better to analyze those teams in October, after there are actual practice reports, than in early Sept when players are just arriving to campus is many places.  |
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Post by sdsuball on Sept 7, 2021 21:52:53 GMT -8
Maybe coach wants to get more size on the floor.
The way we got pushed around in the game against Syracuse left a bad taste in everyone's mouth.
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Post by sdcoug on Sept 8, 2021 9:49:53 GMT -8
my mistake thought Fall Practices started when school started Are the players able to use the JAM center and are the coaches allowed to be there at the same time or by coincidence They always have 24/7 access to the JAM center (unless there's a pandemic), which is why they built it. Believe contact is limited to 8 hours per week, including a max of 2 hours of "instruction" and 2 hours of film and there must be at least 2 days off (w/ no contact). That bumps to 20 hours when practices actually start in a few weeks. |
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Post by missiontrails on Sept 8, 2021 10:00:25 GMT -8
Nate and Josh were on the floor together for just a couple minutes last year. I forget who the opponent was, but we had a comfortable lead. I don't think the combo was very effective at that time, but that doesn't mean it can't be with a full load of fall practice running different plays and schemes. I doubt it would work into a starting lineup with those two, but it could be effective in spurts vs certain opponents. I think some of you sell Tomaic short sometimes on his skill level and effectiveness.
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Post by standiego on Sept 8, 2021 11:40:38 GMT -8
As Dutcher has commented last season it was difficult as last summer and Fall there were so many restrictions that " Newer " players did not get the opportunity to learn things that usually happens from July through the Fall . So it hurt development of transfers and even more so HS players
Listening to Joshua's comments last season he seemed to want to play the 4 but was the only 'true ' option to replace Nathan .
this year it is closer to normal , so the coaches will have more time to work with Newer players , transfers and or HS players from this and last year . and even guys that did not play much even the year before .
The coaches will have a variety of options at most positions - so depends what guys they want to have on the floor together
At the 4 could be Keshad , AG , Brad , Joshua , whomever has shown the development needed to be in or share the time . Also remember the team as a unit of 5 - do they have shooters , rebounders , defenders in to play on both ends of the court . more important then starting is crunch time - even add the parts of Ft % and who avoids the TO's .
We can take a look at BYU , ASU , G -Town , USC , Michigan to see what the match ups could be and who the coaches think make up the best match ups or give us a major advantage ?
that's why they have practice and we get the information from Zeigler
so
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Post by sdcoug on Sept 8, 2021 12:33:52 GMT -8
Nate and Josh were on the floor together for just a couple minutes last year. I forget who the opponent was, but we had a comfortable lead. I don't think the combo was very effective at that time, but that doesn't mean it can't be with a full load of fall practice running different plays and schemes. I doubt it would work into a starting lineup with those two, but it could be effective in spurts vs certain opponents. I think some of you sell Tomaic short sometimes on his skill level and effectiveness. Utah State, when Matt went down, and I believe 1 or 2 other games. Agreed - Tomaic is a better talent than people give him credit for, and they're looking at him as an "old school" 4, not a stretch 4 or a wing. |
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Post by aztecmusician on Sept 9, 2021 2:16:12 GMT -8
Maybe coach wants to get more size on the floor. The way we got pushed around in the game against Syracuse left a bad taste in everyone's mouth. I’ll settle for some ice water in their veins shooters who don’t disappear in the 1st round of the NCAA tournament. That was the main issue vs Syracuse. |
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Post by dunksalot on Sept 10, 2021 16:32:15 GMT -8
my mistake thought Fall Practices started when school started Are the players able to use the JAM center and are the coaches allowed to be there at the same time or by coincidence Midnight Madness is around OCT 15th.
There was a Summer Access Portal effective this past summer:
Waiver granted to allow basketball instruction by non-coaching staff members this summer
June 3, 2021
The Division I Council Coordination Committee on Wednesday approved a waiver that will allow two non-coaching staff members in basketball to conduct instructional, on-court activities during the eight-week summer access period. No more than four coaches and noncoaching staff members combined can participate in these activities at any time. This action also allows the noncoaching staff members to participate in skill-instruction activities as practice players.
The change will be effective starting June 4 and applies to the 2021 summer access period only. The committee supported the changes due to the increased need for countable coaches to be recruiting after a dead period that lasted more than a year and the likely larger number of new players on teams for 2021-22 because of the change in transfer rules
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Post by jdaztec on Sept 24, 2021 16:49:44 GMT -8
One down, two to go.
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