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Post by sdcoug on Jul 28, 2022 9:07:22 GMT -8
Not sure if we differ or not My opinion is that PAC schools kept SDSU out because they knew that if we were at the same level as they are - we could possibly out recruit them - If you get better players then you are very likely going to have better teams . It also means getting the money to hold on to coaches - and making facilities even better That is my main point and it is a major one IMO if SDSU was at that same level as many of the PAC schools they would be as good if not better then numerous schools in the PAC - MAJOR Importance for SDSU P5 schools have a major advantage over G5 schools - even the playing Field and IMO SDSU is able to compete even better for recruits and very likely be able to out recruit schools IMO the PAC added some schools to get more Viewers when it expanded Same as the BIG did when it expanded - out on the East Coast Reading compression issue? They didn't keep SDSU out because they feared us, they kept us out because they already have the So-Cal TV market and the incremental value wasn't there and due to.academics. Those 2 factors no longer apply opening the door now for SDSU. Again, everyone knows the P5s have an advantage over G5s. Duh. You keep repeating the obvious. What isn't accurate is why SDSU hasn't been invited in the past. Its not due to them being afraid of us being good. Quite the opposite.
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Post by standiego on Jul 28, 2022 10:23:06 GMT -8
I repeat it because it is the major reason SDSU was Not selected by the PAC to become a member
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Post by sdcoug on Jul 28, 2022 10:38:24 GMT -8
I repeat it because it is the major reason SDSU was Not selected by the PAC to become a member I repeat that's 100% inaccurate if you're referring to P12 teams fearing SDSU.
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Post by standiego on Jul 28, 2022 11:20:47 GMT -8
I agree that the PAC added Utah and Colorado was because they had the preferred TV markets
But will also contend that PAC schools did not want SDSU because it has the potential to be as good if not better then the majority of current PAC schools
Now for the PAC IF it can stay together they might need the SDSU / So Cal TV market
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Post by sdcoug on Jul 28, 2022 11:57:18 GMT -8
I agree that the PAC added Utah and Colorado was because they had the preferred TV markets But will also contend that PAC schools did not want SDSU because it has the potential to be as good if not better then the majority of current PAC schools Now for the PAC IF it can stay together they might need the SDSU / So Cal TV market And again, I'd "contend" you would be VERY WRONG. That's a false narrative made up by SDSU fans who hate USC/UCLA & think they've screwed us. The P12 wasn't afraid of us. We simply didn't bring anything to the table they didn't already believe they had, at least not with any incremental value. I always find that line of thinking humorous since the goal of every conference is to find the strongest programs available. Put another simpler way for you, do you think a company wouldn't want to hire a really good salesman (call him Bob) because they were afraid Bob is as good if not better than 2 they already had in that region? No, they'd want to the best. They may not hire Bob though if they already believe their current 2 salesmen in the region are very good & all they need in that region. Like with SDSU, if they could have moved Bob to another region it may be a different story. Or, like today, if those 2 salesmen left the company they'd definitely look at hiring Bob. It would have never been about being afraid Bob is better than who they have & would steal their thunder. We've not been added to the P12 previously due to market location & academics, not because anyone's afraid of them. Rising tides lift ALL boats, and if they believed SDSU could have lifted to the P12 they would have added us. Utah (& Colorado) were added for their markets, and given they were already R1 Universities. They not only brought incremental value by having their own P12N channel, but academically they fit the profile. Believe me I've heard a lot about this. A good friend of mine at the time was the President of WSU & on the expansion committee way back when. You'd be surprised how important "fit" is when you're dealing from a place of power, which the P10 was at that time. It's still important now, and the fact SDSU has climbed the academic charts a lot in 10 years & is close to R1U status is very meaningful. I only wish my friend was still alive & still on that committee, but Shulz is very smart as well.
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Post by 🥸 Hopeless Aztec on Jul 28, 2022 13:30:33 GMT -8
I agree that the PAC added Utah and Colorado was because they had the preferred TV markets But will also contend that PAC schools did not want SDSU because it has the potential to be as good if not better then the majority of current PAC schools Now for the PAC IF it can stay together they might need the SDSU / So Cal TV market And again, I'd "contend" you would be VERY WRONG. That's a false narrative made up by SDSU fans who hate USC/UCLA & think they've screwed us. The P12 wasn't afraid of us. We simply didn't bring anything to the table they didn't already believe they had, at least not with any incremental value. I always find that line of thinking humorous since the goal of every conference is to find the strongest programs available. Put another simpler way for you, do you think a company wouldn't want to hire a really good salesman (call him Bob) because they were afraid Bob is as good if not better than 2 they already had in that region? No, they'd want to the best. They may not hire Bob though if they already believe their current 2 salesmen in the region are very good & all they need in that region. Like with SDSU, if they could have moved Bob to another region it may be a different story. Or, like today, if those 2 salesmen left the company they'd definitely look at hiring Bob. It would have never been about being afraid Bob is better than who they have & would steal their thunder. We've not been added to the P12 previously due to market location & academics, not because anyone's afraid of them. Rising tides lift ALL boats, and if they believed SDSU could have lifted to the P12 they would have added us. Utah (& Colorado) were added for their markets, and given they were already R1 Universities. They not only brought incremental value by having their own P12N channel, but academically they fit the profile. Believe me I've heard a lot about this. A good friend of mine at the time was the President of WSU & on the expansion committee way back when. You'd be surprised how important "fit" is when you're dealing from a place of power, which the P10 was at that time. It's still important now, and the fact SDSU has climbed the academic charts a lot in 10 years & is close to R1U status is very meaningful. I only wish my friend was still alive & still on that committee, but Shulz is very smart as well. Good stuff as alway Coug. Unfortunately, Stan will not read you very good reasoning and explanation. He will proceed to psot the same thing over and over and over and over again until a shiny object catches his attention and throws him off. Or another topic comes up that allows him to psot the same dribble over and over and over and over.
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Post by standiego on Jul 29, 2022 10:27:05 GMT -8
Realize this is a mute point
Important now is the present and future - Getting SDSU into the PAC or Big 12
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Post by Cwag on Jul 29, 2022 14:49:31 GMT -8
Realize this is a mute point Important now is the present and future - Getting SDSU into the PAC or Big 12 Can't we all juut get along?
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Post by ignoranus on Jul 29, 2022 20:06:42 GMT -8
And, exactly what the Hell is Xavier Booker saying about all of this??
FGS, give him a chance to speak out!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2022 9:17:43 GMT -8
And again, I'd "contend" you would be VERY WRONG. That's a false narrative made up by SDSU fans who hate USC/UCLA & think they've screwed us. The P12 wasn't afraid of us. We simply didn't bring anything to the table they didn't already believe they had, at least not with any incremental value. I always find that line of thinking humorous since the goal of every conference is to find the strongest programs available. Put another simpler way for you, do you think a company wouldn't want to hire a really good salesman (call him Bob) because they were afraid Bob is as good if not better than 2 they already had in that region? No, they'd want to the best. They may not hire Bob though if they already believe their current 2 salesmen in the region are very good & all they need in that region. Like with SDSU, if they could have moved Bob to another region it may be a different story. Or, like today, if those 2 salesmen left the company they'd definitely look at hiring Bob. It would have never been about being afraid Bob is better than who they have & would steal their thunder. We've not been added to the P12 previously due to market location & academics, not because anyone's afraid of them. Rising tides lift ALL boats, and if they believed SDSU could have lifted to the P12 they would have added us. Utah (& Colorado) were added for their markets, and given they were already R1 Universities. They not only brought incremental value by having their own P12N channel, but academically they fit the profile. Believe me I've heard a lot about this. A good friend of mine at the time was the President of WSU & on the expansion committee way back when. You'd be surprised how important "fit" is when you're dealing from a place of power, which the P10 was at that time. It's still important now, and the fact SDSU has climbed the academic charts a lot in 10 years & is close to R1U status is very meaningful. I only wish my friend was still alive & still on that committee, but Shulz is very smart as well. Good stuff as alway Coug. Unfortunately, Stan will not read you very good reasoning and explanation. He will proceed to psot the same thing over and over and over and over again until a shiny object catches his attention and throws him off. Or another topic comes up that allows him to psot the same dribble over and over and over and over.Yeah, he's hijacked yet another thread but at least he's not talking about "wokeness" or "QAnon" yet, whatever that is...Oops, what have I done!
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Post by hoobs on Jul 30, 2022 10:07:52 GMT -8
Why... why the f*ck is that necessary??
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Post by Gundo on Jul 30, 2022 11:16:54 GMT -8
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Post by aztech on Jul 30, 2022 19:41:20 GMT -8
Exactly - the main reason the PAC schools did not want SDSU as a member is it would elevate the Aztecs to the same level as most of the other PAC schools If the Aztecs do get elevated to a P5 school they would be able to out recruit many of those PAC and Big 12 schools - In addition the TV Money would enable SDSU to keep coaches as the pay scale would be much better We are all hoping that SDSU does did an invite but as of now - we are stuck in the MW and that makes recruiting still very difficult Doesn't our pay scale for a football HC max out at $350K? For a Pac coach I think it's around $600K. So not only would we be able to keep our coaches, we'd be able to pay for better ones. Baseball comes to mind.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2022 4:14:44 GMT -8
Are you trying to be humorous? Hoke gets a little over $1M total compensation. Saban gets just under $10M. Shaw at Stanford is way overpaid at almost $8M.
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Post by longtimesdsufan on Jul 31, 2022 17:21:56 GMT -8
This has become dumb and dumber. Everyone just let it go.
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