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Post by aztecryan on Aug 23, 2021 9:23:39 GMT -8
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Post by azteca on Aug 23, 2021 9:40:31 GMT -8
Somebody had to take the fall, I guess
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Post by aardvark on Aug 23, 2021 9:46:14 GMT -8
And so it begins...
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Post by sdcoug on Aug 23, 2021 10:01:28 GMT -8
Always has to be a fall guy, deservedly or not. Will they be moving Balsley from his role to the big league team?
I'm not convinced making a move in-season is ever a good thing unless the staff has a poor relationship with the coach. I haven't seen anything even hinting that's the case.
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Post by azson on Aug 23, 2021 10:08:59 GMT -8
Always has to be a fall guy, deservedly or not. Will they be moving Balsley from his role to the big league team? I'm not convinced making a move in-season is ever a good thing unless the staff has a poor relationship with the coach. I haven't seen anything even hinting that's the case. Agreed - but this stretch has been mind-bogglingly unprecedented, even for those of us who believe in the SD curse. You can't just let the dumpster burn for another month+ without doing something.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 23, 2021 10:23:34 GMT -8
Always has to be a fall guy, deservedly or not. Will they be moving Balsley from his role to the big league team? I'm not convinced making a move in-season is ever a good thing unless the staff has a poor relationship with the coach. I haven't seen anything even hinting that's the case. Ben Fritz will be the interim coach and then I expect a full search across baseball for a younger, more data-inclined name. Can't go backwards to Balsley.
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Post by sdcoug on Aug 23, 2021 10:32:45 GMT -8
Always has to be a fall guy, deservedly or not. Will they be moving Balsley from his role to the big league team? I'm not convinced making a move in-season is ever a good thing unless the staff has a poor relationship with the coach. I haven't seen anything even hinting that's the case. Ben Fritz will be the interim coach and then I expect a full search across baseball for a younger, more data-inclined name. Can't go backwards to Balsley. Good to hear & agree on Balsley.
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Post by junior on Aug 23, 2021 10:35:03 GMT -8
Well, it either pisses players off to the point that they mutter under their breath but do nothing or it lights a fire under a few of them to get serious about making better pitches. I guess the other thing that could happen is that they actively protest the firing - but that rarely happens. It's a business, and "we're looking at going in a different direction"
Rothschild's been around baseball a long time, and he's even been with some storied programs like the Yankees. It's OK to retire. If not, he'll land on his feet.
Another subliminal message may get sent to coaches and manager(s) by this firing: Beware, ownership is willing to part ways with you, too, if this team continues to roll downhill. Though this seems less likely to happen given the makeup of the rest of the staff.
Realistically, however, does any firing change anything besides putting a new butt on the bench? And in this case, the butt just comes in from the BP. It kind of reeks of desperation, and if it takes something like this to get the players' attention, there's more wrong than just a coach.
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Post by sdcoug on Aug 23, 2021 10:43:06 GMT -8
Well, it either pisses players off to the point that they mutter under their breath but do nothing or it lights a fire under a few of them to get serious about making better pitches. I guess the other thing that could happen is that they actively protest the firing - but that rarely happens. It's a business, and "we're looking at going in a different direction"Rothschild's been around baseball a long time, and he's even been with some storied programs like the Yankees. It's OK to retire. If not, he'll land on his feet. Another message may get sent to coaches and manager(s) by this firing: Beware, ownership is willing to part ways with you, too, if this team continues to roll downhill. Though this seems less likely to happen given the makeup of the rest of the staff. Realistically, however, does any firing change anything besides putting a new butt on the bench? It reeks of desperation, and if it takes something this to get the players' attention, there's more wrong than just a coach. You lost me early, but completely agree with the last paragraph! I've never bought into it takes a firing to "light a fire under a few of them" at this level. I don't think ANYONE is going out there intending to make bad pitches or who aren't giving it 100%. If we were 15-20 games out of the playoffs, maybe, but not a team in the playoff hunt. There are financial considerations with playing in the post season, never mind the goal of everyone to make the playoffs. That's still alive. But if it does take a firing to fire them up then this does nothing to fix it - it's deeper than that. But I don't see it with this team. The firing IMO is more about appeasing the uninformed fan base who are calling for everyone's head than anything else IMO.
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Post by junior on Aug 23, 2021 10:55:29 GMT -8
The main point is that it will be interesting to note player reaction - there are lots of variables given they're humans. I'm sure that some players and staff were loyal to Larry - and these kinds of exits never sit well with those people. There are probably many more who are neutral - none of their business, keep the head down and grind on. And then there will be maybe a few who are actually happy to see him make an exit.
Changes like this affect those connected to the change, at least to some degree. That's the point. And while the same things hold true for fans, there's really no probability of a change in performance - unless we consider the level of ranting and raving - LOL.
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Post by sdcoug on Aug 23, 2021 11:02:46 GMT -8
The main point is that it will be interesting to note player reaction - there are lots of variables given they're humans. I'm sure that some players and staff were loyal to Larry - and these kinds of exits never sit well with those people. There are probably many more who are neutral - none of their business, keep the head down and grind on. And then there will be maybe a few who are actually happy to see him make an exit. Changes like this affect those connected to the change, at least to some degree. That's the point. And while the same things hold true for fans, there's really no probability of a change in performance - unless we consider the level of ranting and raving - LOL. I think all it does is eliminate 1 big target from the masses for the next 40 days....nothing more. Now they can just focus Tingler & AJ. Rothschild supposedly is extremely good at developing game plans against opposing hitters, so losing his experience in that skill IMO isn't a good thing no matter how you slice it.
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Post by aztecmusician on Aug 23, 2021 14:32:09 GMT -8
This Padre team had high expectations going into the season and obviously the higher ups are not happy.
Honestly the move smacks of panicked desperation. Up to the AS break everyone seemed fairly happy with the pitching staff, especially the bullpen. I don’t know how a change of this nature can somehow prevent elbows and shoulders from blowing up, but the numerous late inning walk off dingers have been difficult to watch.
Last time I checked, the Padres have 15 pitchers on the IL. That’s a lot. Unless Rothschild has been using voodoo dolls or rubbing flesh eating bacteria laced lineament on his pitcher’s arms, I can hardly blame him for a general lack of talent from the staff that someone else assembled. Scapegoating in this manner is never a good look and success ALWAYS starts at the top.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 23, 2021 14:54:30 GMT -8
This Padre team had high expectations going into the season and obviously the higher ups are not happy. Honestly the move smacks of panicked desperation. Up to the AS break everyone seemed fairly happy with the pitching staff, especially the bullpen. I don’t know how a change of this nature can somehow prevent elbows and shoulders from blowing up, but the numerous late inning walk off dingers have been difficult to watch. Last time I checked, the Padres have 15 pitchers on the IL. That’s a lot. Unless Rothschild has been using voodoo dolls or rubbing flesh eating bacteria laced lineament on his pitcher’s arms, I can hardly blame him for a general lack of talent from the staff that someone else assembled. Scapegoating in this manner is never a good look and success ALWAYS starts at the top. A general lack of talent? They have a Cy Young Award winner and multiple All-Stars. Arguably the most talented rotation in baseball when healthy.
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Post by survalli on Aug 23, 2021 15:48:50 GMT -8
The main point is that it will be interesting to note player reaction - there are lots of variables given they're humans. I'm sure that some players and staff were loyal to Larry - and these kinds of exits never sit well with those people. There are probably many more who are neutral - none of their business, keep the head down and grind on. And then there will be maybe a few who are actually happy to see him make an exit. Changes like this affect those connected to the change, at least to some degree. That's the point. And while the same things hold true for fans, there's really no probability of a change in performance - unless we consider the level of ranting and raving - LOL. I think all it does is eliminate 1 big target from the masses for the next 40 days....nothing more. Now they can just focus Tingler & AJ. Rothschild supposedly is extremely good at developing game plans against opposing hitters, so losing his experience in that skill IMO isn't a good thing no matter how you slice it. dont need a person for that anymore, the analytics program should be able to do that for you
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Post by survalli on Aug 23, 2021 15:50:36 GMT -8
bet Rothschild said too much about how the bullpen was being used, and got the axe for not falling in line.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 23, 2021 16:01:17 GMT -8
bet Rothschild said too much about how the bullpen was being used, and got the axe for not falling in line. It was a bad fit from the beginning.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 23, 2021 18:37:51 GMT -8
Adrian Martinez struggled again tonight in Round Rock. Three home runs allowed with the wind blowing out. Definitely not ideal in terms of an MLB cameo spot.
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Post by aztecmusician on Aug 23, 2021 18:47:38 GMT -8
This Padre team had high expectations going into the season and obviously the higher ups are not happy. Honestly the move smacks of panicked desperation. Up to the AS break everyone seemed fairly happy with the pitching staff, especially the bullpen. I don’t know how a change of this nature can somehow prevent elbows and shoulders from blowing up, but the numerous late inning walk off dingers have been difficult to watch. Last time I checked, the Padres have 15 pitchers on the IL. That’s a lot. Unless Rothschild has been using voodoo dolls or rubbing flesh eating bacteria laced lineament on his pitcher’s arms, I can hardly blame him for a general lack of talent from the staff that someone else assembled. Scapegoating in this manner is never a good look and success ALWAYS starts at the top. A general lack of talent? They have a Cy Young Award winner and multiple All-Stars. Arguably the most talented rotation in baseball when healthy. Of course you are right. I’m referring to the guys who hang sliders in the 9th inning which become walk off game winning dingers, there were 3 of them this past road trip. I’m referring to after the AS break…..this staff and bullpen has been crushed to the tune of 4.77 ERA and a .457 slugging pct. In other words, these talented arms have broken down and not delivered down the stretch.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 23, 2021 19:14:28 GMT -8
A general lack of talent? They have a Cy Young Award winner and multiple All-Stars. Arguably the most talented rotation in baseball when healthy. Of course you are right. I’m referring to the guys who hang sliders in the 9th inning which become walk off game winning dingers, there were 3 of them this past road trip. I’m referring to after the AS break…..this staff and bullpen has been crushed to the tune of 4.77 ERA and a .457 slugging pct. In other words, these talented arms have broken down and not delivered down the stretch. Where they were playing had something to do with that, too.
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Post by aztecmusician on Aug 24, 2021 2:36:23 GMT -8
Of course you are right. I’m referring to the guys who hang sliders in the 9th inning which become walk off game winning dingers, there were 3 of them this past road trip. I’m referring to after the AS break…..this staff and bullpen has been crushed to the tune of 4.77 ERA and a .457 slugging pct. In other words, these talented arms have broken down and not delivered down the stretch. Where they were playing had something to do with that, too. Lame, don’t make excuses for pitchers who groove fat pitches in the 9th inning. The problem is pitchers who have lost their command or have had their stuff flatten out. I guess that can be blamed on the pitching coach. The other issue is there are too many pitchers throwing in the majors who should probably be in the minors, but are forced into service by injuries. Matt Strahm, after over a year of rehabilitation could only manage 6 mediocre innings before he had to shut it down. Pomeranz, Wingenter, Kela, Castillo, Guerra, Altavilla, Baez, Morejon all done for the season. There is something just not right here. The Padres are missing something in terms of strengthening conditioning or therapeutics. Maybe there is something to my flesh eating bacteria theory.
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