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Post by azson on Aug 16, 2021 10:33:48 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on Aug 16, 2021 17:44:44 GMT -8
Not sure if it's true or not, so I'm asking. Did Biden make the decision to pull our troops against the advice from his advisors, Generals, et al?
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Post by sdsustoner on Aug 17, 2021 6:42:00 GMT -8
Why is the vast majority...like almost 100% of our propaganda so focused on after 2000 when the U.S. initiated the garbage going on today with the "great" "progressive" Jimmy Carter in office? Every single POTUS since merely added to the mess he started. Things started going downhill for women in Afghanistan in 1978, when the Carter administration sent in the CIA to intervene against the progressive new government. "In 1978, Noor Mohammed Taraki and the People’s Democratic Party (PDP) formed a new government in Afghanistan. “Because of its egalitarian and collectivist economic policies the Taraki government also incurred the opposition of the US national security state. Almost immediately after the PDP coalition came to power, the CIA, assisted by Saudi and Pakistani military, launched a large scale intervention into Afghanistan on the side of the ousted feudal lords, reactionary tribal chieftains, mullahs, and opium traffickers.” www.michaelparenti.org/afghanistan_story_untold.html?fbclid=IwAR3vy6ERpCYgLO4a6vSi0zh-wiJ9-v6FYcJFatA3cQrccOrJIKHlpt9LNp0The CIA under the Carter Administration started arming Mujahideen a full year before the Soviet Union attempted to militarily assist the Taraki government against the US/CIA backed mujahideen. The CIA armed the Mujahideen, Zibignew Brzezinski said, “to give the Soviets their Vietnam.“ www.counterpunch.org/1998/01/15/how-jimmy-carter-and-i-started-the-mujahideen/?blogs.dw.com/womentalkonline/index.html%3Fp=19205.html |
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Post by sdsustoner on Aug 17, 2021 6:58:15 GMT -8
Zbigniew Brzezinski" the spearhead of this trash had a daughter. She married the former politician-turned-propagandist, Morning Joe.
I only wish I could read the future thesises and dissertations on the fall of the Murican empire. It's going to full of corrupt trash like this. When you "accidentally" create terror groups after arming & radicalizing them to fight against communism.
At least our private defense contractors won that war.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 17, 2021 21:22:56 GMT -8
Not sure if it's true or not, so I'm asking. Did Biden make the decision to pull our troops against the advice from his advisors, Generals, et al? No. |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Aug 18, 2021 10:25:35 GMT -8
Not sure if it's true or not, so I'm asking. Did Biden make the decision to pull our troops against the advice from his advisors, Generals, et al? No. Really? That is not what I'm hearing on the news. What is your source supporting the claim that Biden did NOT ignore intelligence warnings about a precipitous withdrawal from Afghanistan? My source is that right wing rag The New York Times. www.nytimes.com/2021/08/17/us/politics/afghanistan-biden-administration.htmlCome on, Ryan, your reputation is on the line here!  AzWm |
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 18, 2021 11:28:01 GMT -8
"Intelligence warned that Kabul could fall in a matter of days" doesn't change the big picture that the withdrawal date had been set and the drawdown was nearly complete. It didn't matter if they left today, tomorrow, September or January 36th. What happened was always going to happen. Biden, to his credit, said he would not pass on this mess to a fifth president. This was an intelligence failure, so I guess I will say "yes" but context is needed as to what precipitated the events of this month. |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Aug 18, 2021 13:16:10 GMT -8
"Intelligence warned that Kabul could fall in a matter of days" doesn't change the big picture that the withdrawal date had been set and the drawdown was nearly complete. It didn't matter if they left today, tomorrow, September or January 36th. What happened was always going to happen. Biden, to his credit, said he would not pass on this mess to a fifth president. This was an intelligence failure, so I guess I will say "yes" but context is needed as to what precipitated the events of this month. Ryan, I will enumerate the ways in which you are wrong in a new thread. By the way, do you disagree with what was published in the NYT? AzWm |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Aug 18, 2021 13:19:17 GMT -8
"Intelligence warned that Kabul could fall in a matter of days" doesn't change the big picture that the withdrawal date had been set and the drawdown was nearly complete. It didn't matter if they left today, tomorrow, September or January 36th. What happened was always going to happen. Biden, to his credit, said he would not pass on this mess to a fifth president. This was an intelligence failure, so I guess I will say "yes" but context is needed as to what precipitated the events of this month. Who has been the POTUS since January? Who has been overturning every Trump executive order he could find? "Trump made me do it" is not going to convince most Americans. AzWm |
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 18, 2021 14:04:17 GMT -8
"Intelligence warned that Kabul could fall in a matter of days" doesn't change the big picture that the withdrawal date had been set and the drawdown was nearly complete. It didn't matter if they left today, tomorrow, September or January 36th. What happened was always going to happen. Biden, to his credit, said he would not pass on this mess to a fifth president. This was an intelligence failure, so I guess I will say "yes" but context is needed as to what precipitated the events of this month. Who has been the POTUS since January? Who has been overturning every Trump executive order he could find? "Trump made me do it" is not going to convince most Americans. AzWm Surprises to see yet another disingenuous statement from you. Wait, no, I'm not in the slightest. Here we go again... Biden took responsibility to not pass the buck to the next president. The withdrawal was not done smoothly, in the slightest. The intelligence community and the administration screwed up. That doesn't absolve the fact that the previous administration released Baradar in 2018, or Pompeo met with Baradar last year. The wheels were in motion before January. Far before January. |
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 18, 2021 14:06:35 GMT -8
"Intelligence warned that Kabul could fall in a matter of days" doesn't change the big picture that the withdrawal date had been set and the drawdown was nearly complete. It didn't matter if they left today, tomorrow, September or January 36th. What happened was always going to happen. Biden, to his credit, said he would not pass on this mess to a fifth president. This was an intelligence failure, so I guess I will say "yes" but context is needed as to what precipitated the events of this month. Ryan, I will enumerate the ways in which you are wrong in a new thread. By the way, do you disagree with what was published in the NYT? AzWm Please don't, I'm not interested in your rambling, incoherent, partisan nonsense. You have shown zero ability to be intellectually honest or forthcoming with facts on largely anything. I'm not interested in going down a rabbit hole of insanity to justify your blame of Democrats. The bottom line is this: Afghanistan has never been conquered for meaningful periods of time in modern history. Whether the US withdrew last year, today, or on September 11th, this was inevitable. You cannot conquer an ideology, nor can you protect a nation that doesn't want to fight. Some battles cannot be won. |
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Post by sdsustoner on Aug 18, 2021 16:35:42 GMT -8
"Intelligence warned that Kabul could fall in a matter of days" doesn't change the big picture that the withdrawal date had been set and the drawdown was nearly complete. It didn't matter if they left today, tomorrow, September or January 36th. What happened was always going to happen. Biden, to his credit, said he would not pass on this mess to a fifth president. This was an intelligence failure, so I guess I will say "yes" but context is needed as to what precipitated the events of this month. Who has been the POTUS since January? Who has been overturning every Trump executive order he could find? "Trump made me do it" is not going to convince most Americans. AzWm Every one, huh? So what about your flip-flop on withdrawal being soley dependent on who is in office? |
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 18, 2021 16:43:25 GMT -8
Who has been the POTUS since January? Who has been overturning every Trump executive order he could find? "Trump made me do it" is not going to convince most Americans. AzWm Every one, huh? So what about your flip-flop on withdrawal being soley dependent on who is in office? Too busy attacking Nancy Pelosi to care. |
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Post by sdsustoner on Aug 19, 2021 4:27:51 GMT -8
Every one, huh? So what about your flip-flop on withdrawal being soley dependent on who is in office? Too busy attacking Nancy Pelosi to care. Sans her fake support for BLM and legit for abortion, Pelosi is a conservative dream. She's a chief enabler to the chapter of Murican feudalism we're building the infrastructure for. Pelosi is a textbook exmaple of both Dems and Reps merely being fans of parties rather than informed voters based on policies. Sadly, the entire Left already sees AOC being groomed to become Pelosi 2.0. And Dems wanna all label us Jimmy Dore fans or some other comical trash when we point this out. They even talk the same. Those Pelosi vids from the 90s and AOC today. F'n sheepdog turned Momma Bear. |
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 19, 2021 20:14:58 GMT -8
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Post by aztecmusician on Aug 19, 2021 21:22:45 GMT -8
The US absolutely deserved to lose this war. The ridiculous rules of engagement set by Bush and Obama’s people was the highest form of stupidity I have ever seen.
Would Napoleon tell his troops….”no bayonets this battle….they are just too brutal. Just use your musket butts instead.”??
Would Ghengis Kahn ever tell his troops…..”uhhhh, no arrows this time horse archers…just skewer your enemies with lances.”??
Would Julius Caesar or Marc Antony issue the order…..”No cavalry charges this battle, it’s an unfair advantage for us Romans to kill barbarians with mounted soldiers.”??
Everyone who signed off on this strategy needs to be called out and publicly shamed and humiliated for culpable gross incompetence. Playing these stupid games with the lives of our soldiers is disgraceful.
At least Trump took the gloves off vs ISIS and what happened? Victory in a month.
Yes, with this high level of incompetence all it took was one horribly incompetent commander in chief to bring this house of cards crashing down in a matter of days.
What should have happened is send the Rangers from village to village and take out all of the Taliban camps. If any of them use human shields, kill them and display their corpses with a sign saying:
“This is the defeated corpse of John Q Terrorist, he is a coward and boy lover who used women and children as human shields. There is no place in heaven nor 77 virgins for cowardly pigs like him.”
The war would have been over in months. Instead it lasted 20 years, cost thousands of American Lives and over a trillion dollars, and ended in an ignominious defeat.
Biden sucks.
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Post by sdsustoner on Aug 20, 2021 5:56:22 GMT -8
The US absolutely deserved to lose this war. The ridiculous rules of engagement set by Bush and Obama’s people was the highest form of stupidity I have ever seen. Would Napoleon tell his troops….”no bayonets this battle….they are just too brutal. Just use your musket butts instead.”?? Would Ghengis Kahn ever tell his troops…..”uhhhh, no arrows this time horse archers…just skewer your enemies with lances.”?? Would Julius Caesar or Marc Antony issue the order…..”No cavalry charges this battle, it’s an unfair advantage for us Romans to kill barbarians with mounted soldiers.”?? Everyone who signed off on this strategy needs to be called out and publicly shamed and humiliated for culpable gross incompetence. Playing these stupid games with the lives of our soldiers is disgraceful. At least Trump took the gloves off vs ISIS and what happened? Victory in a month. Yes, with this high level of incompetence all it took was one horribly incompetent commander in chief to bring this house of cards crashing down in a matter of days. What should have happened is send the Rangers from village to village and take out all of the Taliban camps. If any of them use human shields, kill them and display their corpses with a sign saying: “This is the defeated corpse of John Q Terrorist, he is a coward and boy lover who used women and children as human shields. There is no place in heaven nor 77 virgins for cowardly pigs like him.” The war would have been over in months. Instead it lasted 20 years, cost thousands of American Lives and over a trillion dollars, and ended in an ignominious defeat. Biden sucks. Let's take it back further to 1978. We armed and radicalized these chuds to displace the progressive Gov they had at the time. The same goverment who refused to bow down to western imperialists. So naturally, the US destabilized the region by arming and radicalizing the disposed warlords. The strategy was the more radical, the better fighters they'd be. This was a full year before the Soviets backed the Afghani government. Again, the only reason the Taliban exists is U.S. foreign policy. Having a more aggressive ROE does nothing, but worsens what happened. Think of GIs going hunting on villagers in Vietnam for fun. Every region the U.S. involves itself in since WW2 is worse off. If the U.S. is the world's police, then we are Derek Chauvin |
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Post by aztecmusician on Aug 20, 2021 20:42:13 GMT -8
The US absolutely deserved to lose this war. The ridiculous rules of engagement set by Bush and Obama’s people was the highest form of stupidity I have ever seen. Would Napoleon tell his troops….”no bayonets this battle….they are just too brutal. Just use your musket butts instead.”?? Would Ghengis Kahn ever tell his troops…..”uhhhh, no arrows this time horse archers…just skewer your enemies with lances.”?? Would Julius Caesar or Marc Antony issue the order…..”No cavalry charges this battle, it’s an unfair advantage for us Romans to kill barbarians with mounted soldiers.”?? Everyone who signed off on this strategy needs to be called out and publicly shamed and humiliated for culpable gross incompetence. Playing these stupid games with the lives of our soldiers is disgraceful. At least Trump took the gloves off vs ISIS and what happened? Victory in a month. Yes, with this high level of incompetence all it took was one horribly incompetent commander in chief to bring this house of cards crashing down in a matter of days. What should have happened is send the Rangers from village to village and take out all of the Taliban camps. If any of them use human shields, kill them and display their corpses with a sign saying: “This is the defeated corpse of John Q Terrorist, he is a coward and boy lover who used women and children as human shields. There is no place in heaven nor 77 virgins for cowardly pigs like him.” The war would have been over in months. Instead it lasted 20 years, cost thousands of American Lives and over a trillion dollars, and ended in an ignominious defeat. Biden sucks. Let's take it back further to 1978. We armed and radicalized these chuds to displace the progressive Gov they had at the time. The same goverment who refused to bow down to western imperialists. So naturally, the US destabilized the region by arming and radicalizing the disposed warlords. The strategy was the more radical, the better fighters they'd be. This was a full year before the Soviets backed the Afghani government. Again, the only reason the Taliban exists is U.S. foreign policy. Having a more aggressive ROE does nothing, but worsens what happened. Think of GIs going hunting on villagers in Vietnam for fun. Every region the U.S. involves itself in since WW2 is worse off. If the U.S. is the world's police, then we are Derek Chauvin Yes, it’s complicated, however half measures usually don’t yield satisfactory objectives. As far as GIs smacking around humble villagers, you’ve watched too many movies and their anti military messages. The Afghan army partners point out the bad guys, then the bad guys get eliminated. We shall see what happens now that there is a state who sponsors terrorism…..I doubt they are going to sit back and relish their win vs Biden. |
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Post by sdsustoner on Aug 21, 2021 4:15:28 GMT -8
Let's take it back further to 1978. We armed and radicalized these chuds to displace the progressive Gov they had at the time. The same goverment who refused to bow down to western imperialists. So naturally, the US destabilized the region by arming and radicalizing the disposed warlords. The strategy was the more radical, the better fighters they'd be. This was a full year before the Soviets backed the Afghani government. Again, the only reason the Taliban exists is U.S. foreign policy. Having a more aggressive ROE does nothing, but worsens what happened. Think of GIs going hunting on villagers in Vietnam for fun. Every region the U.S. involves itself in since WW2 is worse off. If the U.S. is the world's police, then we are Derek Chauvin Yes, it’s complicated, however half measures usually don’t yield satisfactory objectives. As far as GIs smacking around humble villagers, you’ve watched too many movies and their anti military messages. The Afghan army partners point out the bad guys, then the bad guys get eliminated. We shall see what happens now that there is a state who sponsors terrorism…..I doubt they are going to sit back and relish their win vs Biden. 😆 Yes, I like war movies, but they're not my point of reference. Massacres of civilians actually created these ROEs. Or did you think our imperialist military magically became soft and created this ROE without reason? Maybe because they all received those participation trophies in Little League? 😆 Now a state that sponsors terrorism? 😆 😆 😆 We've been there creating terrorists since 1978. We intentionally destabilized a nation because its government refused to bow down to us. Who tf are the real terrorists? The desert pawns we armed & radicalized to oust the government the U.S. didn't want? 😆 Or the imperialist military who destabilized a nation for its natural resources? |
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Post by sdsustoner on Aug 21, 2021 4:32:26 GMT -8
Soldier of Fortune Ad from 1981 Back then we had a different term we used for those terrorists...freedom fighters. Essentially admitting what the world already knows. The only difference between a terrorist & a freedom fighter is the propagandists' spin. m.imgur.com/gallery/eIjOFKR |
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