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Post by aztecryan on Jul 19, 2021 18:31:38 GMT -8
Well, at least Hosmer hasn't dropped a pop-up in what, 3 weeks now? Not quite. It was the July 4th game against the Phillies.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 19, 2021 18:50:20 GMT -8
Ok, you live life without hope. Like I've always said, to each his own. You draw some ridiculous conclusions based on an inability to understand what I'm saying. Separate "hope" in a baseball setting with the reality of the player in question. If you're unable to argue the data, that's fine. There's a difference between optimism and insanity. Oh, I understand exactly what you're saying. You think he'll end up status quo, and I'm hoping he bucks the trend, although in the last 150 games, he has done well which I noticed after reading SDCoug's stats on it. Calling this insanity is a bit dramatic Ryan.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 19, 2021 18:51:41 GMT -8
Well, at least Hosmer hasn't dropped a pop-up in what, 3 weeks now? Not quite. It was the July 4th game against the Phillies. Is that one he dropped, or couldn't see it? There's a difference there if it was because he couldn't see it.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 19, 2021 18:53:43 GMT -8
It's not based on a 60 game season. It's based on 60 + 90, or basically the entirety of 1 year. I put a lot more weight in that than what happened 2 to 3 years ago, but that's just me. Take out July and see what you're left with. Why take out July? How about if we take out a bad section? It's all relative. In July he adjusted his stance, etc... It's an important factor which has led him to mash again.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 19, 2021 18:55:45 GMT -8
Well, at least Hosmer hasn't dropped a pop-up in what, 3 weeks now? As long as keeps on raking and keeps digging thrown balls out of the dirt, I'm good. Let's hope he continues this.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 19, 2021 19:04:39 GMT -8
You draw some ridiculous conclusions based on an inability to understand what I'm saying. Separate "hope" in a baseball setting with the reality of the player in question. If you're unable to argue the data, that's fine. There's a difference between optimism and insanity. Oh, I understand exactly what you're saying. You think he'll end up status quo, and I'm hoping he bucks the trend, although in the last 150 games, he has done well which I noticed after reading SDCoug's stats on it. Calling this insanity is a bit dramatic Ryan. You don't, clearly. And here's why. A) You're talking about a season where he played 38 games. He missed almost half the year last season, if you bothered to look it up. Since offense league wide always elevates in August (Historically speaking)...There's not much to glean from 38 games. B) One stat was posted. One. I posted a half dozen, but you'll ignore those because it doesn't fit with your defense. C) Why?
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 19, 2021 19:05:28 GMT -8
Take out July and see what you're left with. Why take out July? How about if we take out a bad section? It's all relative. In July he adjusted his stance, etc... It's an important factor which has led him to mash again. "Leading him to mash again" - So you're calling it a turnaround? Earlier you said it wasn't. Just trying to see what side of the fence you're falling on this time. He has 17 home runs in his last 125 games. Even on this hot streak, he has six extra base hits in July. His slugging percentage is down 140 points from his 38 game season in 2020 (Statisticians like to call this an outlier...) If it was all relative, why are you completely ignoring 2018 and 2019, yet cherrypicking data from a shortened season where he played less than 40 games? Oops.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 19, 2021 20:00:52 GMT -8
Why take out July? How about if we take out a bad section? It's all relative. In July he adjusted his stance, etc... It's an important factor which has led him to mash again. "Leading him to mash again" - So you're calling it a turnaround? Earlier you said it wasn't. Just trying to see what side of the fence you're falling on this time. He has 17 home runs in his last 125 games. Even on this hot streak, he has six extra base hits in July. His slugging percentage is down 140 points from his 38 game season in 2020 (Statisticians like to call this an outlier...) If it was all relative, why are you completely ignoring 2018 and 2019, yet cherrypicking data from a shortened season where he played less than 40 games? Oops. Did you read SDCoug's stat sheet from Hosmer's last 150 games. That's the most recent, and perfectly fine to go with since it's basically a whole season. Talk about cherry picking, of course you want to go back to 2018 if it helps your case. The last 150 games is a very good sample size, obviously.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 19, 2021 20:06:46 GMT -8
Oh, I understand exactly what you're saying. You think he'll end up status quo, and I'm hoping he bucks the trend, although in the last 150 games, he has done well which I noticed after reading SDCoug's stats on it. Calling this insanity is a bit dramatic Ryan. You don't, clearly. And here's why. A) You're talking about a season where he played 38 games. He missed almost half the year last season, if you bothered to look it up. Since offense league wide always elevates in August (Historically speaking)...There's not much to glean from 38 games. B) One stat was posted. One. I posted a half dozen, but you'll ignore those because it doesn't fit with your defense. C) Why? I understand that Hosmer may not end up having a good season, but I'm hoping that he stays consistent and does. I'm sounding like a broken record now. I don't think there's anymore to add to this.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 19, 2021 20:49:54 GMT -8
Oh, I understand exactly what you're saying. You think he'll end up status quo, and I'm hoping he bucks the trend, although in the last 150 games, he has done well which I noticed after reading SDCoug's stats on it. Calling this insanity is a bit dramatic Ryan. You don't, clearly. And here's why. A) You're talking about a season where he played 38 games. He missed almost half the year last season, if you bothered to look it up. Since offense league wide always elevates in August (Historically speaking)...There's not much to glean from 38 games. B) One stat was posted. One. I posted a half dozen, but you'll ignore those because it doesn't fit with your defense. C) Why? Do you want to recant what you said about Hosmer in terms of you saying he hasn't even tried to adjust his swing and stance to the detriment of the team? SDCoug provided you with quotes from Hosmer to the contrary. You should do a little more home work before you make those very insulting accusations.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 19, 2021 20:57:55 GMT -8
"Leading him to mash again" - So you're calling it a turnaround? Earlier you said it wasn't. Just trying to see what side of the fence you're falling on this time. He has 17 home runs in his last 125 games. Even on this hot streak, he has six extra base hits in July. His slugging percentage is down 140 points from his 38 game season in 2020 (Statisticians like to call this an outlier...) If it was all relative, why are you completely ignoring 2018 and 2019, yet cherrypicking data from a shortened season where he played less than 40 games? Oops. Did you read SDCoug's stat sheet from Hosmer's last 150 games. That's the most recent, and perfectly fine to go with since it's basically a whole season. Talk about cherry picking, of course you want to go back to 2018 if it helps your case. The last 150 games is a very good sample size, obviously. What stat sheet? It's not 150 games, it's 125 games, since Hosmer missed almost half of 2020 with the stomach illness. You're talking about 38 games in 2020....and 87 games this season. I don't really take much from his 2020. Plenty of players can have a hot month, which is essentially what that was...and it's proven to not be sustainable. He does this every year, which is why I use the ENTIRE picture to define him.
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Post by aardvark on Jul 19, 2021 20:58:06 GMT -8
Well, at least Hosmer hasn't dropped a pop-up in what, 3 weeks now? Not quite. It was the July 4th game against the Phillies. Damn. Originally, I was going to say 2-3 weeks.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 19, 2021 21:12:20 GMT -8
You don't, clearly. And here's why. A) You're talking about a season where he played 38 games. He missed almost half the year last season, if you bothered to look it up. Since offense league wide always elevates in August (Historically speaking)...There's not much to glean from 38 games. B) One stat was posted. One. I posted a half dozen, but you'll ignore those because it doesn't fit with your defense. C) Why? Do you want to recant what you said about Hosmer in terms of you saying he hasn't even tried to adjust his swing and stance to the detriment of the team? SDCoug provided you with quotes from Hosmer to the contrary. You should do a little more home work before you make those very insulting accusations. It's not an accusation, John. You would know that if you were able to actually do a tiny bit of research. I have quotes, too! From his debut season with the Padres : "A lot of guys like to look at the numbers and judge a player based off of that stuff. [Other] guys like to watch the game, have that eye, and judge it off that,’ Hosmer said. ‘Analytically, the stuff doesn’t add up in my favor. Me, as a player, I’m not going to change who I am because of what the analytics say." www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2018/7/11/17556080/eric-hosmer-declining-swing-padres-royals-launch-angle-statcast - Link to said quote. www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/padres/story/2021-05-04/padres-eric-hosmer-metrics-winning-teammates-career-defense-groundballs-batting-average“I just finally have gotten confident in my game,” Eric Hosmer said Tuesday. “I understand what I bring to the table is valuable for a team. I don’t necessarily value what is being said outside our clubhouse anymore. I want to be there for my teammates, my organization, my coaching staff. I know the way my teammates look at me. That to me is ultimately what is most valued. That’s what drives me to get to the field every day and work hard.” After 10 years and all the tinkering with his swing and trying to be the modern ballplayer, the Padres first baseman is over all the talk about his not hitting the ball in the air enough and whatever defensive metrics that go into determining he isn’t all that good at first base. “I think that’s where I’ve gotten — to the point now I don’t fight it anymore,” he said. “I accept the game for what it is. I know the game is viewed a different way now by people from the outside. I’m just done fighting that stuff. I know what I bring the table for my team. That’s where I’m at. If that’s not good enough for the organization, I’m sure my playing time will adjust accordingly. “The outside stuff — the accolades and all that stuff, they’re nice and they do mean a lot. But the point I’m at in my career, it’s just about winning games and I know my teammates know how valuable I am to this team. That’s all that matters to me.” Shockingly enough, there can be a difference between an organizational demand and a player just paying lip service. But yes, let's hope he keeps raking and eventually he might be a replacement level asset.
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Post by aardvark on Jul 19, 2021 21:14:43 GMT -8
Not quite. It was the July 4th game against the Phillies. Is that one he dropped, or couldn't see it? There's a difference there if it was because he couldn't see it. The one I remember was he let one drop on purpose in the 2nd inning. He saw it all the way. He thought he would try and get a DP. Didn't work.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 19, 2021 21:21:33 GMT -8
Is that one he dropped, or couldn't see it? There's a difference there if it was because he couldn't see it. The one I remember was he let one drop on purpose in the 2nd inning. He saw it all the way. He thought he would try and get a DP. Didn't work. The Houston drop will forever be etched in Padre lore.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 19, 2021 21:45:12 GMT -8
Do you want to recant what you said about Hosmer in terms of you saying he hasn't even tried to adjust his swing and stance to the detriment of the team? SDCoug provided you with quotes from Hosmer to the contrary. You should do a little more home work before you make those very insulting accusations. It's not an accusation, John. You would know that if you were able to actually do a tiny bit of research. I have quotes, too! From his debut season with the Padres : "A lot of guys like to look at the numbers and judge a player based off of that stuff. [Other] guys like to watch the game, have that eye, and judge it off that,’ Hosmer said. ‘Analytically, the stuff doesn’t add up in my favor. Me, as a player, I’m not going to change who I am because of what the analytics say." www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2018/7/11/17556080/eric-hosmer-declining-swing-padres-royals-launch-angle-statcast - Link to said quote. www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/padres/story/2021-05-04/padres-eric-hosmer-metrics-winning-teammates-career-defense-groundballs-batting-average“I just finally have gotten confident in my game,” Eric Hosmer said Tuesday. “I understand what I bring to the table is valuable for a team. I don’t necessarily value what is being said outside our clubhouse anymore. I want to be there for my teammates, my organization, my coaching staff. I know the way my teammates look at me. That to me is ultimately what is most valued. That’s what drives me to get to the field every day and work hard.” After 10 years and all the tinkering with his swing and trying to be the modern ballplayer, the Padres first baseman is over all the talk about his not hitting the ball in the air enough and whatever defensive metrics that go into determining he isn’t all that good at first base. “I think that’s where I’ve gotten — to the point now I don’t fight it anymore,” he said. “I accept the game for what it is. I know the game is viewed a different way now by people from the outside. I’m just done fighting that stuff. I know what I bring the table for my team. That’s where I’m at. If that’s not good enough for the organization, I’m sure my playing time will adjust accordingly. “The outside stuff — the accolades and all that stuff, they’re nice and they do mean a lot. But the point I’m at in my career, it’s just about winning games and I know my teammates know how valuable I am to this team. That’s all that matters to me.” Shockingly enough, there can be a difference between an organizational demand and a player just paying lip service. But yes, let's hope he keeps raking and eventually he might be a replacement level asset. Aren't those recent quotes that SDCoug posted? It's quoting Hosmer as saying he's adjusted his stance and his swing, and that's what attributes to his recent success. You had said that he never will adjust his swing because he doesn't feel that he needs to.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 19, 2021 21:46:11 GMT -8
Is that one he dropped, or couldn't see it? There's a difference there if it was because he couldn't see it. The one I remember was he let one drop on purpose in the 2nd inning. He saw it all the way. He thought he would try and get a DP. Didn't work. I didn't see it. Did he get the out? If not, that's not good.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 19, 2021 21:55:01 GMT -8
It's not an accusation, John. You would know that if you were able to actually do a tiny bit of research. I have quotes, too! From his debut season with the Padres : "A lot of guys like to look at the numbers and judge a player based off of that stuff. [Other] guys like to watch the game, have that eye, and judge it off that,’ Hosmer said. ‘Analytically, the stuff doesn’t add up in my favor. Me, as a player, I’m not going to change who I am because of what the analytics say." www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2018/7/11/17556080/eric-hosmer-declining-swing-padres-royals-launch-angle-statcast - Link to said quote. www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/padres/story/2021-05-04/padres-eric-hosmer-metrics-winning-teammates-career-defense-groundballs-batting-average“I just finally have gotten confident in my game,” Eric Hosmer said Tuesday. “I understand what I bring to the table is valuable for a team. I don’t necessarily value what is being said outside our clubhouse anymore. I want to be there for my teammates, my organization, my coaching staff. I know the way my teammates look at me. That to me is ultimately what is most valued. That’s what drives me to get to the field every day and work hard.” After 10 years and all the tinkering with his swing and trying to be the modern ballplayer, the Padres first baseman is over all the talk about his not hitting the ball in the air enough and whatever defensive metrics that go into determining he isn’t all that good at first base. “I think that’s where I’ve gotten — to the point now I don’t fight it anymore,” he said. “I accept the game for what it is. I know the game is viewed a different way now by people from the outside. I’m just done fighting that stuff. I know what I bring the table for my team. That’s where I’m at. If that’s not good enough for the organization, I’m sure my playing time will adjust accordingly. “The outside stuff — the accolades and all that stuff, they’re nice and they do mean a lot. But the point I’m at in my career, it’s just about winning games and I know my teammates know how valuable I am to this team. That’s all that matters to me.” Shockingly enough, there can be a difference between an organizational demand and a player just paying lip service. But yes, let's hope he keeps raking and eventually he might be a replacement level asset. Aren't those recent quotes that SDCoug posted? It's quoting Hosmer as saying he's adjusted his stance and his swing, and that's what attributes to his recent success. You had said that he never will adjust his swing because he doesn't feel that he needs to. Connect the dots...You think he magically changed his mind from 8 weeks ago?
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 19, 2021 21:58:30 GMT -8
Aren't those recent quotes that SDCoug posted? It's quoting Hosmer as saying he's adjusted his stance and his swing, and that's what attributes to his recent success. You had said that he never will adjust his swing because he doesn't feel that he needs to. Connect the dots...You think he magically changed his mind from 8 weeks ago? They're recent. Good for him. Let's hope he continues to mash and drives in runs with his new stance, and what it does to his swing.
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Post by aardvark on Jul 19, 2021 22:36:55 GMT -8
The one I remember was he let one drop on purpose in the 2nd inning. He saw it all the way. He thought he would try and get a DP. Didn't work. I didn't see it. Did he get the out? If not, that's not good. Yeah, he got the out at first, after he thought he would try to get 2 by letting it drop. There were three players all on 1st at the time, with Cronenworth almost getting cleaned out by the batter-runner. Hosmer just should have caught the pop-up and taken the out without all the other BS.
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