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Post by johneaztec on Jul 18, 2021 11:49:11 GMT -8
I don't see him "routinely" struggling with scoops. I see it being more on the side of, he routinely is successful at scooping. He saves a lot of errors in that regard, but nobody's going to scoop them all. Was he fourth best in 2020 at digs? Or did I read that wrong? I'm specifically talking about scoops in comparison to Cronenworth, but Cronenworth probably doesn't have the sample size yet to judge. I'm sure Cronenworth would become very successful at digs over time. I agree that overall Cronenworth is obviously a better defensive player at any position over Hosmer. He's not routinely successful with scoops, unfortunately. He provides essentially nothing defensively that's a positive trait. Fortunately his inability to field the ball in the first didn't cost a run. Are you talking about the ground ball that Cronenworth tried to field? Or something else? Maybe I missed it.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 18, 2021 12:01:36 GMT -8
I don't see him "routinely" struggling with scoops. I see it being more on the side of, he routinely is successful at scooping. He saves a lot of errors in that regard, but nobody's going to scoop them all. Was he fourth best in 2020 at digs? Or did I read that wrong? I'm specifically talking about scoops in comparison to Cronenworth, but Cronenworth probably doesn't have the sample size yet to judge. I'm sure Cronenworth would become very successful at digs over time. I agree that overall Cronenworth is obviously a better defensive player at any position over Hosmer. He's not routinely successful with scoops, unfortunately. He provides essentially nothing defensively that's a positive trait. Fortunately his inability to field the ball in the first didn't cost a run. If you're talking about the ground ball that he dove for, that was out of his reach, that's not a fair critique unless someone wants to reach to find it. If you want to say that he doesn't have the best range, I get that, but it wasn't an error.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 18, 2021 12:03:16 GMT -8
He's not routinely successful with scoops, unfortunately. He provides essentially nothing defensively that's a positive trait. Fortunately his inability to field the ball in the first didn't cost a run. If you're talking about the ground ball that he dove for, that was out of his reach, that's not a fair critique unless someone wants to reach to find it. If you want to say that he doesn't have the best range, I get that, but it wasn't an error. It went right under his glove. He's just not athletic and has no range. Whether it's an error or not is irrelevant, it's a play that a good first baseman largely makes. And his mistake there not throwing home there...costs the Padres at least three runs. Just can't happen.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 18, 2021 12:09:22 GMT -8
If you're talking about the ground ball that he dove for, that was out of his reach, that's not a fair critique unless someone wants to reach to find it. If you want to say that he doesn't have the best range, I get that, but it wasn't an error. It went right under his glove. He's just not athletic and has no range. And his mistake there not throwing home there...costs the Padres at least two runs. Just can't happen. Look at it again. It didn't go under his glove. It was to the side of his glove after he dove. To critique him on that play Ryan, show's you really have it out for him.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 18, 2021 12:17:18 GMT -8
Hosmer couldn't really make a play at the plate. That second short hop killed it. He took the sure out. Exactly. I was just going to post that. If he fields it on the big hop, he goes home. Plus, Trae Turner is the runner and he's not exactly slow.
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Post by junior on Jul 18, 2021 12:20:06 GMT -8
And right on cue, he hits a 3 run HR… LMAO
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 18, 2021 12:20:49 GMT -8
Eric friggin Hosmer!!! Keeps on mashing with RISP!!! Pads back in the game!!!
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 18, 2021 12:22:26 GMT -8
And right on cue, he hits a 3 run HR… LMAO That was awesome!!! Too funny. He's really squaring the ball up.
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Post by junior on Jul 18, 2021 12:25:02 GMT -8
And right on cue, he hits a 3 run HR… LMAO That was awesome!!! Too funny. He's really squaring the ball up. Not sure what the numbers were on that one, but he smacked a line drive. That ball was out of the playing field in a hurry.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 18, 2021 12:28:02 GMT -8
Nice play by Hosmer at the rail on the foul ball pop up.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 18, 2021 12:28:52 GMT -8
That was awesome!!! Too funny. He's really squaring the ball up. Not sure what the numbers were on that one, but he smacked a line drive. That ball was out of the playing field in a hurry. He smoked that one, and that's not easy to do against Sherzer.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 18, 2021 12:53:36 GMT -8
It went right under his glove. He's just not athletic and has no range. And his mistake there not throwing home there...costs the Padres at least two runs. Just can't happen. Look at it again. It didn't go under his glove. It was to the side of his glove after he dove. To critique him on that play Ryan, show's you really have it out for him. John...No. I could argue the same in reverse, as you make excuse after excuse for his underpeformance while falling in love and fawning over any random hot streak he has. It's about standards and statistics, nothing more. Don't blanket generalize statements because they are valid critiques.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 18, 2021 12:54:52 GMT -8
Hosmer couldn't really make a play at the plate. That second short hop killed it. He took the sure out. Exactly. I was just going to post that. If he fields it on the big hop, he goes home. Plus, Trae Turner is the runner and he's not exactly slow. He had enough time to throw home. Turner was not even halfway down the line. He just didn't do it.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 18, 2021 13:24:38 GMT -8
Look at it again. It didn't go under his glove. It was to the side of his glove after he dove. To critique him on that play Ryan, show's you really have it out for him. John...No. I could argue the same in reverse, as you make excuse after excuse for his underpeformance while falling in love and fawning over any random hot streak he has. It's about standards and statistics, nothing more. Don't blanket generalize statements because they are valid critiques. I'm just following up on your critiquing that's left and right, and some that aren't valid. You're probably the only one that isn't happy, and down plays that Hosmer has turned it around and mashing again. That's shameful if you're really a fan.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 18, 2021 13:25:37 GMT -8
Exactly. I was just going to post that. If he fields it on the big hop, he goes home. Plus, Trae Turner is the runner and he's not exactly slow. He had enough time to throw home. Turner was not even halfway down the line. He just didn't do it. There you go again. Not even halfway down the line? Come on Ryan. It's really getting out of hand now. Even the announcers said the same thing about the short hop affecting the situation. You're only going to see what you want to see though. I get it. I, on the other hand, am happy for him and the Padres, and that's it. I don't have any ulterior motive, like the fact that he's an anti vaxxer. That seems to bother you. Can you separate the baseball part from this? The team seems to be doing really well, and like him very much.
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Post by AztecBill on Jul 18, 2021 19:28:38 GMT -8
Cronenworth is a far superior first baseman defensively than Eric Hosmer. Fangraphs currently has cronenworth also rated the number one defensive second baseman in baseball.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 18, 2021 20:21:49 GMT -8
Cronenworth is a far superior first baseman defensively than Eric Hosmer. Fangraphs currently has cronenworth also rated the number one defensive second baseman in baseball. There's no debating that.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 18, 2021 20:48:01 GMT -8
John...No. I could argue the same in reverse, as you make excuse after excuse for his underpeformance while falling in love and fawning over any random hot streak he has. It's about standards and statistics, nothing more. Don't blanket generalize statements because they are valid critiques. I'm just following up on your critiquing that's left and right, and some that aren't valid. You're probably the only one that isn't happy, and down plays that Hosmer has turned it around and mashing again. That's shameful if you're really a fan. I highly suggest you expand your circle....My criticism is tame compared to what you'll see in baseball circles. June was the worst month of his entire career from a statistical perspective. I'm not going to be doing cartwheels because our first baseman is finally a league average hitter for a few days. (His wRC+ is 103 now) but he's not going to be able to sustain this production - He doesn't elevate the ball with regularity and those hits will become outs over time. Unless you think he's capable of hitting grounders at a .500+ average, of course.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 18, 2021 20:55:13 GMT -8
He had enough time to throw home. Turner was not even halfway down the line. He just didn't do it. There you go again. Not even halfway down the line? Come on Ryan. It's really getting out of hand now. Even the announcers said the same thing about the short hop affecting the situation. You're only going to see what you want to see though. I get it. I, on the other hand, am happy for him and the Padres, and that's it. I don't have any ulterior motive, like the fact that he's an anti vaxxer. That seems to bother you. Can you separate the baseball part from this? The team seems to be doing really well, and like him very much. .273/.334/.393 with the worst defense at the position. And that's with a small sample size boost in July where he's hitting .409/.480/.636! The numbers tell the story, regardless of whatever discrediting method you want to use. Yes, I'm capable of actually sticking to a particular criticism. The rest of it is a bonus, with all the other off the field stuff. You deal in unquantifiable speculation, I don't. "The team likes him very much..." Then why are they attempting to trade him? Now? Watch a replay of the play with Turner. The wide angle clearly shows that Hosmer would have had a play had he thrown the ball home. The hop can *affect* the play and the play can still be made...Both statements can be true. More importantly, it's beyond just one play. It just happened to be the latest in a string of consistent missteps. I don't think any of this is overly harsh, just a simple reality of the situation.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 18, 2021 21:43:42 GMT -8
There you go again. Not even halfway down the line? Come on Ryan. It's really getting out of hand now. Even the announcers said the same thing about the short hop affecting the situation. You're only going to see what you want to see though. I get it. I, on the other hand, am happy for him and the Padres, and that's it. I don't have any ulterior motive, like the fact that he's an anti vaxxer. That seems to bother you. Can you separate the baseball part from this? The team seems to be doing really well, and like him very much. .273/.334/.393 with the worst defense at the position. And that's with a small sample size boost in July where he's hitting .409/.480/.636! The numbers tell the story, regardless of whatever discrediting method you want to use. Yes, I'm capable of actually sticking to a particular criticism. The rest of it is a bonus, with all the other off the field stuff. You deal in unquantifiable speculation, I don't. "The team likes him very much..." Then why are they attempting to trade him? Now? Watch a replay of the play with Turner. The wide angle clearly shows that Hosmer would have had a play had he thrown the ball home. The hop can *affect* the play and the play can still be made...Both statements can be true. More importantly, it's beyond just one play. It just happened to be the latest in a string of consistent missteps. I don't think any of this is overly harsh, just a simple reality of the situation. Tingler himself, said that Hosmer made the correct play. So, that wasn't a misstep, as well as your other statement that the ball went UNDER Hosmer's glove in your other critique of him today. It went to the side of him after his dive attempt. The short hop on that play can absolutely affect your decision on whether you go home, or take the sure out. There can be grip issues and timing issues after a short hop. Tingler thought it was a good decision, so I'll go with his thoughts. It's along the same lines as when you brought up that Cronenworth's scoop was more difficult to make because it hit the lip of the grass. There's reasons for things. I'm simply happy that Hosmer is mashing the ball consistently again, and continuing to be VERY productive at driving in RISP. You obviously have said that he'll fail at having a good year when all is said and done, and I don't look at it that way. I've never given up on someone who has shown a spark and has done it before. Like I've said, to each his own.
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