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Post by AztecBill on Jul 17, 2021 17:56:00 GMT -8
Eric had no multi-hit games in June but in 12 July games has already had 7. He had a real extended slump after having a pretty good April. But he now seems to be hitting well again.
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Post by junior on Jul 17, 2021 18:07:42 GMT -8
Wasn't playing tonight - since he had all four days of the All Star Break to rest up, it must've been a matchup decision.
Either that, or the message is being sent … The team is not weaker with Cronenworth at 1st and Kim at 2nd, and they both contributed tonight.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 17, 2021 18:24:39 GMT -8
Wasn't playing tonight - since he had all four days of the All Star Break to rest up, it must've been a matchup decision. Either that, or the message is being sent … The team is not weaker with Cronenworth at 1st and Kim at 2nd, and they both contributed tonight. Probably more about the match up. Corbin a lefty, and maybe he does well against Hosmer as a secondary reason.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 17, 2021 18:25:18 GMT -8
Eric had no multi-hit games in June but in 12 July games has already had 7. He had a real extended slump after having a pretty good April. But he now seems to be hitting well again. Yes, he's been hitting the ball to all fields very well.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 17, 2021 18:39:19 GMT -8
Wasn't playing tonight - since he had all four days of the All Star Break to rest up, it must've been a matchup decision. Either that, or the message is being sent … The team is not weaker with Cronenworth at 1st and Kim at 2nd, and they both contributed tonight. What a nice luxury the Padres have in that situation. Maybe a dropoff in bad throws picked out of the dirt though.
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Post by junior on Jul 17, 2021 18:42:33 GMT -8
Wasn't playing tonight - since he had all four days of the All Star Break to rest up, it must've been a matchup decision. Either that, or the message is being sent … The team is not weaker with Cronenworth at 1st and Kim at 2nd, and they both contributed tonight. What a nice luxury the Padres have in that situation. Maybe a dropoff in bad throws picked out of the dirt though. I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of one of those bullets from Manny or Fernando…
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 17, 2021 18:47:13 GMT -8
What a nice luxury the Padres have in that situation. Maybe a dropoff in bad throws picked out of the dirt though. I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of one of those bullets from Manny or Fernando… I hear ya. I wonder how hard they would throw from the mound? 90's? I know Jake was in the upper 90's in college.
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Post by sdsuball on Jul 17, 2021 20:03:43 GMT -8
Wasn't playing tonight - since he had all four days of the All Star Break to rest up, it must've been a matchup decision. Either that, or the message is being sent … The team is not weaker with Cronenworth at 1st and Kim at 2nd, and they both contributed tonight. What a nice luxury the Padres have in that situation. Maybe a dropoff in bad throws picked out of the dirt though. Jake is actually better defensively at 1B then Hosmer is.. and Kim is a better defender at 2B then Cronenworth is (which is saying a lot because Cronenworth is a plus defender at 2B)
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 17, 2021 20:09:14 GMT -8
What a nice luxury the Padres have in that situation. Maybe a dropoff in bad throws picked out of the dirt though. Jake is actually better defensively at 1B then Hosmer is.. and Kim is a better defender at 2B then Cronenworth is (which is saying a lot because Cronenworth is a plus defender at 2B) I don't really know much about Cronenworth's defense at first base, so I'll refer to you if yiu have the knowledge. Has he played much first base with the Padres? Can he dig balls out of the dirt on errant throws? He didn't look very good on the Machado throw in the dirt that he tried to dig. I understand you can't dig em all.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 17, 2021 21:08:13 GMT -8
Jake is actually better defensively at 1B then Hosmer is.. and Kim is a better defender at 2B then Cronenworth is (which is saying a lot because Cronenworth is a plus defender at 2B) I don't really know much about Cronenworth's defense at first base, so I'll refer to you if yiu have the knowledge. Has he played much first base with the Padres? Can he dig balls out of the dirt on errant throws? He didn't look very good on the Machado throw in the dirt that he tried to dig. I understand you can't dig em all. He's an above average defender at first and second.
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Post by sdsuball on Jul 17, 2021 21:10:28 GMT -8
Jake is actually better defensively at 1B then Hosmer is.. and Kim is a better defender at 2B then Cronenworth is (which is saying a lot because Cronenworth is a plus defender at 2B) I don't really know much about Cronenworth's defense at first base, so I'll refer to you if yiu have the knowledge. Has he played much first base with the Padres? Can he dig balls out of the dirt on errant throws? He didn't look very good on the Machado throw in the dirt that he tried to dig. I understand you can't dig em all. Cronenworth has only played a little bit at first base over his first two seasons, but yeah he has better overall defense then Hosmer - he has amazing range, and Hosmer's range has declined since he was in KC. I'm not sure specifically if he's better at picking the ball then Hosmer. Certainly that is relevant with Tatis at short and Machado at third.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 17, 2021 21:30:08 GMT -8
I don't really know much about Cronenworth's defense at first base, so I'll refer to you if yiu have the knowledge. Has he played much first base with the Padres? Can he dig balls out of the dirt on errant throws? He didn't look very good on the Machado throw in the dirt that he tried to dig. I understand you can't dig em all. Cronenworth has only played a little bit at first base over his first two seasons, but yeah he has better overall defense then Hosmer - he has amazing range, and Hosmer's range has declined since he was in KC. I'm not sure specifically if he's better at picking the ball then Hosmer. Certainly that is relevant with Tatis at short and Machado at third. Exactly my thoughts. No doubt he obviously has much better range than Hosmer, but can he pick em like Hosmer? Probably not not fair to compare him to Hosmer in that aspect since he's only played over there just a bit in the bigs. Hosmer digs em out pretty well.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 17, 2021 21:33:50 GMT -8
I don't really know much about Cronenworth's defense at first base, so I'll refer to you if yiu have the knowledge. Has he played much first base with the Padres? Can he dig balls out of the dirt on errant throws? He didn't look very good on the Machado throw in the dirt that he tried to dig. I understand you can't dig em all. He's an above average defender at first and second. He's an excellent defensive player. I'm just wondering how well he can dig throws put of the dirt. It seems as though Hosmer's very successful at it, and it happens quite often. It's a very valuable tool. Having said that, I obviously would rather have Croney at first base than Hosmer, if given the only choice.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 17, 2021 22:01:53 GMT -8
He's an above average defender at first and second. He's an excellent defensive player. I'm just wondering how well he can dig throws put of the dirt. It seems as though Hosmer's very successful at it, and it happens quite often. It's a very valuable tool. Having said that, I obviously would rather have Croney at first base than Hosmer, if given the only choice. Not sure, but it seems that Hosmer routinely struggles with scoops. He doesn't stretch toward the throw at all to shorten the distance and I don't think judging Cronenworth on a throw that hit the lip of the grass is really fair. His defense is rated very, very poorly for a reason. He has 355 scoops in his career in over 12,500 innings at first. Anthony Rizzo has 271, in over 1,000 less innings. I think if Hosmer committed to actually tweaking his footwork and whatnot, it might be better. But yeah, it's not great over there.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 17, 2021 22:16:21 GMT -8
He's an excellent defensive player. I'm just wondering how well he can dig throws put of the dirt. It seems as though Hosmer's very successful at it, and it happens quite often. It's a very valuable tool. Having said that, I obviously would rather have Croney at first base than Hosmer, if given the only choice. I don't know what you're seeing, but Hosmer routinely struggles with scoops. He doesn't stretch toward the throw at all to shorten the distance and I don't think judging Cronenworth on a throw that hit the lip of the grass is really fair. His defense is rated very, very poorly for a reason. I don't see him "routinely" struggling with scoops. I see it being more on the side of, he routinely is successful at scooping. He saves a lot of errors in that regard, but nobody's going to scoop them all. Was he fourth best in 2020 at digs? Or did I read that wrong? I'm specifically talking about scoops in comparison to Cronenworth, but Cronenworth probably doesn't have the sample size yet to judge. I'm sure Cronenworth would become very successful at digs over time. I agree that overall Cronenworth is obviously a better defensive player at any position over Hosmer.
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Post by sdsuball on Jul 17, 2021 23:19:49 GMT -8
In some respects it doesn't matter.
Cronenworth can play some 1B for now when Hosmer has bad matchups against the opposing starting pitcher.
Long term Cronenworth is best suited at 2B since there are a lot of big bats in the league that can play 1B, whereas that's not the case at 2B - making Cronenworth more valuable as an everyday second basemen.
It's so much easier to upgrade the lineup by getting a first basemen, and hopefully we can get Gallo or another strong bat to play first.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 18, 2021 4:02:00 GMT -8
In some respects it doesn't matter. Cronenworth can play some 1B for now when Hosmer has bad matchups against the opposing starting pitcher. Long term Cronenworth is best suited at 2B since there are a lot of big bats in the league that can play 1B, whereas that's not the case at 2B - making Cronenworth more valuable as an everyday second basemen. It's so much easier to upgrade the lineup by getting a first basemen, and hopefully we can get Gallo or another strong bat to play first. Cronenworth's long term spot is definitely second base.
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Post by junior on Jul 18, 2021 11:26:05 GMT -8
In some respects it doesn't matter. Cronenworth can play some 1B for now when Hosmer has bad matchups against the opposing starting pitcher. Long term Cronenworth is best suited at 2B since there are a lot of big bats in the league that can play 1B, whereas that's not the case at 2B - making Cronenworth more valuable as an everyday second basemen. It's so much easier to upgrade the lineup by getting a first basemen, and hopefully we can get Gallo or another strong bat to play first. Cronenworth's long term spot is definitely second base. Which leaves Kim an expensive ($28m) bench player.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 18, 2021 11:29:42 GMT -8
Cronenworth's long term spot is definitely second base. Which leaves Kim an expensive ($28m) bench player. That's not expensive.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 18, 2021 11:31:02 GMT -8
I don't know what you're seeing, but Hosmer routinely struggles with scoops. He doesn't stretch toward the throw at all to shorten the distance and I don't think judging Cronenworth on a throw that hit the lip of the grass is really fair. His defense is rated very, very poorly for a reason. I don't see him "routinely" struggling with scoops. I see it being more on the side of, he routinely is successful at scooping. He saves a lot of errors in that regard, but nobody's going to scoop them all. Was he fourth best in 2020 at digs? Or did I read that wrong? I'm specifically talking about scoops in comparison to Cronenworth, but Cronenworth probably doesn't have the sample size yet to judge. I'm sure Cronenworth would become very successful at digs over time. I agree that overall Cronenworth is obviously a better defensive player at any position over Hosmer. He's not routinely successful with scoops, unfortunately. He provides essentially nothing defensively that's a positive trait. Fortunately his inability to field the ball in the first didn't cost a run.
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