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Post by aztecjeff on Jun 14, 2021 23:15:59 GMT -8
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Post by sleepy on Jun 15, 2021 7:40:23 GMT -8
Assuming this is bona fide and not just lip service (i.e. a way to sneak more P5 teams into an increased playoff money pie)...
We -- and that means everybody not in a P5, including SDSU -- just got dealt a huge favor if this goes forward. If it's on the up-and-up, color me shocked that somebody threw us a relevancy rope (and my guess is that ESPN and CBS are a major reason for this, as in: "We're tired of airing a full season of football games that have no bearing on the national title. It does nothing for our ratings, and therefore, our revenue. Give us something to work with!". It's not a P5 invite, but it is the next best thing that could have happened:
If you are good enough, your team can play for a national title.
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Post by SD Johnny on Jun 15, 2021 8:32:57 GMT -8
Conferences don’t have much motivation to expand right now. If the AAC is smart they realize their conference champion has the inside track to Autobid 80% of the time and no longer needs a western wing. The good news is that this likely expands to 16 teams within a few years after 12 goes into place and even if we don’t get picked up on paper we have the same path to a playoff spot as Norte Dame. College football changed more in the last 2 months than it had in my lifetime.
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Post by TruAztec on Jun 15, 2021 8:38:49 GMT -8
While I like the playoff possibility, the really money is in the TV contracts. Anyone would jump at a guaranteed $30-$50 million a year. So this may shake up conferences, I doubt it will shake them up much. We need to learn to love the MWC since there is no other realistic place to land (you can talk AAC but we need to look at the costs of all the sports and not just the ones we want in the AAC and the AAC has a TV contract similar to ours and it is never going to be P-5 level).
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Post by sdcoug on Jun 15, 2021 9:09:02 GMT -8
While I like the playoff possibility, the really money is in the TV contracts. Anyone would jump at a guaranteed $30-$50 million a year. So this may shake up conferences, I doubt it will shake them up much. We need to learn to love the MWC since there is no other realistic place to land (you can talk AAC but we need to look at the costs of all the sports and not just the ones we want in the AAC and the AAC has a TV contract similar to ours and it is never going to be P-5 level). All true, and this talk of the AAC having the inside track to the playoff is just that, talk. It's not about the G5 conferences, it's about the best G5 PROGRAMS. They have the inside track, and in theory, the weakest conferences have the edge. For instance, if a Coastal Carolina can win a P5 non-con game, they have an easier path through their conference to the title game. Call it the Gonzaga plan from a decade ago. Meanwhile, the best G5 programs - Cincy, Memphis, UCF, Boise, SDSU, etc., have a tougher path. All play competitive non-con schedules (1-2 P5 games); all are capable of getting on the CFP map; but all have a peer team or two who's capable of knocking them off in December. Whoever survives their own conferences will have the edge, assuming they schedule competitively in non-con (ideally 1+ P5 game). IMO BYU is the only program that really needs to make a decision. The AAC, MWC, SB, MAC, CUSA teams most likely aren't going anywhere. But you'd think while BYU has no shot at being one of the 6 guaranteed spots, they can control their own destiny for an at-large berth. The path to the playoff from G5's is simple - do well against P5's in non-con, then win your conference. It doesn't matter what G5 conference you're talking about. |
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Post by aardvark on Jun 15, 2021 9:34:41 GMT -8
While I like the playoff possibility, the really money is in the TV contracts. Anyone would jump at a guaranteed $30-$50 million a year. So this may shake up conferences, I doubt it will shake them up much. We need to learn to love the MWC since there is no other realistic place to land (you can talk AAC but we need to look at the costs of all the sports and not just the ones we want in the AAC and the AAC has a TV contract similar to ours and it is never going to be P-5 level). All true, and this talk of the AAC having the inside track to the playoff is just that, talk. It's not about the G5 conferences, it's about the best G5 PROGRAMS. They have the inside track, and in theory, the weakest conferences have the edge. For instance, if a Coastal Carolina can win a P5 non-con game, they have an easier path through their conference to the title game. Call it the Gonzaga plan from a decade ago. Meanwhile, the best G5 programs - Cincy, Memphis, UCF, Boise, SDSU, etc., have a tougher path. All play competitive non-con schedules (1-2 P5 games); all are capable of getting on the CFP map; but all have a peer team or two who's capable of knocking them off in December. Whoever survives their own conferences will have the edge, assuming they schedule competitively in non-con (ideally 1+ P5 game). IMO BYU is the only program that really needs to make a decision. The AAC, MWC, SB, MAC, CUSA teams most likely aren't going anywhere. But you'd think while BYU has no shot at being one of the 6 guaranteed spots, they can control their own destiny for an at-large berth. The path to the playoff from G5's is simple - do well against P5's in non-con, then win your conference. It doesn't matter what G5 conference you're talking about. JMO, but as long as BYU stays an independent, I don't think they have a chance for the CFP. |
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Post by TruAztec on Jun 15, 2021 10:30:32 GMT -8
BYU will hate this but they need to roll back to the MWC or help form a best of AAC and MWC conference.
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Post by standiego on Jun 15, 2021 10:30:36 GMT -8
In another post that showed what teams would have gotten into the 12 team playoff proposal for the last 6 years.
At least 4 times it was a member of the AAC -
If SDSU and say BSU left the MW for the AAC - AAC could ask for TV networks to relook at its TV deal . Also how much money do you think TV networks will pay the MW Without BSU and SDSU .?
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Post by sdcoug on Jun 15, 2021 10:47:02 GMT -8
In another post that showed what teams would have gotten into the 12 team playoff proposal for the last 6 years. At least 4 times it was a member of the AAC - If SDSU and say BSU left the MW for the AAC - AAC could ask for TV networks to relook at its TV deal . Also how much money do you think TV networks will pay the MW Without BSU and SDSU .?
They don't need to worry about it because it's not happening unless its an equal merger. |
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Post by sdcoug on Jun 15, 2021 10:54:13 GMT -8
All true, and this talk of the AAC having the inside track to the playoff is just that, talk. It's not about the G5 conferences, it's about the best G5 PROGRAMS. They have the inside track, and in theory, the weakest conferences have the edge. For instance, if a Coastal Carolina can win a P5 non-con game, they have an easier path through their conference to the title game. Call it the Gonzaga plan from a decade ago. Meanwhile, the best G5 programs - Cincy, Memphis, UCF, Boise, SDSU, etc., have a tougher path. All play competitive non-con schedules (1-2 P5 games); all are capable of getting on the CFP map; but all have a peer team or two who's capable of knocking them off in December. Whoever survives their own conferences will have the edge, assuming they schedule competitively in non-con (ideally 1+ P5 game). IMO BYU is the only program that really needs to make a decision. The AAC, MWC, SB, MAC, CUSA teams most likely aren't going anywhere. But you'd think while BYU has no shot at being one of the 6 guaranteed spots, they can control their own destiny for an at-large berth. The path to the playoff from G5's is simple - do well against P5's in non-con, then win your conference. It doesn't matter what G5 conference you're talking about. JMO, but as long as BYU stays an independent, I don't think they have a chance for the CFP. They definitely could, but the point is they control their own fate. This year they play Utah, ASU, USC, WSU, Baylor & Virginia. If they can knock off the better teams they're definitely in the hunt. In 2022 their schedule is less rigid, but they do still play Baylor, Oregon, Stanford & Boise, and Oregon most likely will be the favorite in the P12. It really depends on the year, their schedule & how they do, but their SOS will allow them the possibility in most seasons. Especially if they knock off the P12 favorite, and don't choke against any bad teams. Do agree that by joining a G5 their path does get easier, as they'll only have to beat 1-2 P5's each year vs. 4-5, and it's easier to beat the BSUs, SDSUs, Cincy's, Memphis's & UCF's than teams favored to win their P5 conference. |
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Post by tonatiuh on Jun 15, 2021 16:26:05 GMT -8
All true, and this talk of the AAC having the inside track to the playoff is just that, talk. It's not about the G5 conferences, it's about the best G5 PROGRAMS. They have the inside track, and in theory, the weakest conferences have the edge. For instance, if a Coastal Carolina can win a P5 non-con game, they have an easier path through their conference to the title game. Call it the Gonzaga plan from a decade ago. Meanwhile, the best G5 programs - Cincy, Memphis, UCF, Boise, SDSU, etc., have a tougher path. All play competitive non-con schedules (1-2 P5 games); all are capable of getting on the CFP map; but all have a peer team or two who's capable of knocking them off in December. Whoever survives their own conferences will have the edge, assuming they schedule competitively in non-con (ideally 1+ P5 game). IMO BYU is the only program that really needs to make a decision. The AAC, MWC, SB, MAC, CUSA teams most likely aren't going anywhere. But you'd think while BYU has no shot at being one of the 6 guaranteed spots, they can control their own destiny for an at-large berth. The path to the playoff from G5's is simple - do well against P5's in non-con, then win your conference. It doesn't matter what G5 conference you're talking about. JMO, but as long as BYU stays an independent, I don't think they have a chance for the CFP. You maybe right and you maybe wrong. Have you seen this year's BYU schedule? They play Utah, ASU, Virginia, Baylor, U$C, and Boise & Utah St. If, they were to go undefeated they would have a very good case to be included in the playoffs. You just never know. |
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Post by socalaztecfan on Jun 15, 2021 19:46:51 GMT -8
JMO, but as long as BYU stays an independent, I don't think they have a chance for the CFP. You maybe right and you maybe wrong. Have you seen this year's BYU schedule? They play Utah, ASU, Virginia, Baylor, U$C, and Boise & Utah St. If, they were to go undefeated they would have a very good case to be included in the playoffs. You just never know. BYU will choke this year. Last year was good for them because they played teams affected by and shortened practice due to Covid. They will be nothing this year. |
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Post by chris92065 on Jun 15, 2021 20:05:52 GMT -8
The byu article meantions aac and not mwc.
time for us to take the aac serious.
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Post by tonatiuh on Jun 18, 2021 15:16:28 GMT -8
While I like the playoff possibility, the really money is in the TV contracts. Anyone would jump at a guaranteed $30-$50 million a year. So this may shake up conferences, I doubt it will shake them up much. We need to learn to love the MWC since there is no other realistic place to land (you can talk AAC but we need to look at the costs of all the sports and not just the ones we want in the AAC and the AAC has a TV contract similar to ours and it is never going to be P-5 level). Careful there TruAztec, even though you speak the truth there are still many on this board who don't seem to realize it or want to accept it. They think just because a couple teams in the AAC are ranked higher than MW teams that they have a better conference. They can't understand that the P5 conferences want nothing to do with them anymore because they are really just another G5 conference. No better no worse than us. |
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Post by standiego on Jun 19, 2021 12:07:46 GMT -8
1 If conferences stay the way there are with No expansion - are We happy being in the MW ?
2 the AAC can truly point to the last 5 years and say what G5 Conference that would have had the most appearances in the Playoffs (if it had been 12 teams) - It would have been the AAC -
3 The AAC has more MM wins then the MW in the last 5 years
4 Correct the P5 is Not going to acknowledge any positive things about the AAC - why would it ? the P5 would of course want to keep its status quo
The AAC has talking points - of course continues to push it as it should as would the MW
What can the MW say other then Hair is on the Advisory Board that has already submitted it to the Next NCAA group ?
There are No definitive things that can be said comparing conferences - after the amount of teams that would have been in the playoffs or how many teams are in MM ( as we sometimes do -hoping to get more teams in MM )
Do TV Networks value the amount of fans watching teams in a Conference - Do they have those figures
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Post by socalaztecfan on Jun 19, 2021 16:02:36 GMT -8
You maybe right and you maybe wrong. Have you seen this year's BYU schedule? They play Utah, ASU, Virginia, Baylor, U$C, and Boise & Utah St. If, they were to go undefeated they would have a very good case to be included in the playoffs. You just never know. BYU will choke this year. Last year was good for them because they played teams affected by and shortened practice due to Covid. They will be nothing this year. They barely beat some high school caliber teams last year and teams with Covid practice time. The BYU myth will be blown up this year. |
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