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Post by Den60 on Jun 8, 2021 10:19:30 GMT -8
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Post by Village Aztec on Jun 8, 2021 13:01:28 GMT -8
They can't build a stadium in SD. Where? It is used to get us to lower the rent. We were not able to build one until now. Let them wait 30 years.
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Post by Den60 on Jun 8, 2021 17:41:46 GMT -8
They can't build a stadium in SD. Where? It is used to get us to lower the rent. We were not able to build one until now. Let them wait 30 years. They have substantial financial backing from Burkle and only need a 20K stadium for both MSL and NWSL team. Were they to make a deal with SDSU then that adds to the value of our stadium - visibility means more money for naming rights and signage. Were they to build their own stadium then that means no other permanent tenant for Aztec Stadium as well as one more decent sized stadium in the region as competition. The article I posted makes points for either option.
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Post by Frantic on Jun 8, 2021 18:43:35 GMT -8
Yawn.
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Post by Den60 on Jun 8, 2021 19:18:38 GMT -8
I'm guessing you didn't read either the quotes I posted or the posted link. Having another tenant, possibly tenants, in our new stadium makes us more money. More money is good. This stadium is costing us $310M, that is close to a third of a billion. That is a lot of money and I do worry about financing that amount. Cal Berkeley has had issues funding its $321M renovation and they are in a P5 conference. We aren't. Having another stadium in the region will mean more competition and, depending on the size, may mean no opportunity for a permanent MSL tenant. Again, more tenants and more exposure means more money. You can "yawn" if you want but this is something that will have an affect on SDSU. Finally, I have seen Aztec fans on this board complaining about the high cost of new tickets. Did some on here not realize that building a stadium on our own wouldn't require higher ticket prices and PSLs? The more revenue streams we can create means the less SDSU has to put on SDSU football fans. Somebody tell me where I am wrong on that statement. This new announcement is something to pay attention to, especially the part of how many MSL and NWSL teams pair up to share a venue. Personally, I am not convinced that we can pay for this stadium without another permanent tenant.
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Post by aardvark on Jun 8, 2021 21:26:37 GMT -8
I'm guessing you didn't read either the quotes I posted or the posted link. Having another tenant, possibly tenants, in our new stadium makes us more money. More money is good. This stadium is costing us $310M, that is close to a third of a billion. That is a lot of money and I do worry about financing that amount. Cal Berkeley has had issues funding its $321M renovation and they are in a P5 conference. We aren't. Having another stadium in the region will mean more competition and, depending on the size, may mean no opportunity for a permanent MSL tenant. Again, more tenants and more exposure means more money. You can "yawn" if you want but this is something that will have an affect on SDSU. Finally, I have seen Aztec fans on this board complaining about the high cost of new tickets. Did some on here not realize that building a stadium on our own wouldn't require higher ticket prices and PSLs? The more revenue streams we can create means the less SDSU has to put on SDSU football fans. Somebody tell me where I am wrong on that statement. This new announcement is something to pay attention to, especially the part of how many MSL and NWSL teams pair up to share a venue. Personally, I am not convinced that we can pay for this stadium without another permanent tenant. Cal has only rebuilt half of their stadium, with payments scheduled into the next century. I would expect Burkle to build his own stadium, so he can control all revenue from the NWSL franchise, along with a possible MLS franchise. If his franchises play any contests in the new Aztec Stadium, I would suspect it will be will only be for the short term.
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Post by redaztec5150 on Jun 8, 2021 23:28:29 GMT -8
Burkle burnt bridges with MSL after dropping out as the financial muscle behind Sacramento FC. Not sure MLS will want get into bed again with him given that, but you never know; Burkle has lots of $$$$ so he may be able to rebuild those MSL bridges. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out.
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Post by Frantic on Jun 9, 2021 6:32:16 GMT -8
Personally, I am not convinced that we can pay for this stadium without another permanent tenant. Yes more money is good, although I hope SDSU isn't dependent on rent from an NWSL tenant to finance the stadium. And I don't like women's soccer.
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Post by Den60 on Jun 9, 2021 7:36:35 GMT -8
Personally, I am not convinced that we can pay for this stadium without another permanent tenant. Yes more money is good, although I hope SDSU isn't dependent on rent from an NWSL tenant to finance the stadium. And I don't like women's soccer. Yes, I don't see a NWSL team needing 35K seats, not even a MSL team, but women watch women's soccer so it is a different audience than that which watches football. I am speaking more to the point that Burkle has the money to build a stadium large enough to accommodate a MSL team which would mean our stadium would lose a potential tenant. As I understand it, the MSL and SDSU have been talking since the Sacramento expansion bid fizzled out.
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Post by missiontrails on Jun 9, 2021 11:40:02 GMT -8
I'd take a pro soccer team, men's or women's, as a tenant in a heartbeat - as long as the terms are favorable. I'm sure SDSU admin will too, which is why they designed the stadium with the correct dimensions to host soccer games. Yes, I know SDSU has soccer teams as well, but I'm sure we had pro tenants in mind when designing the stadium. I know the stadium needs to be used for more than 6 home football games and a bowl game every year.
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Post by Frantic on Jun 9, 2021 21:39:45 GMT -8
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Post by TruAztec on Jun 10, 2021 5:41:00 GMT -8
You can say this about almost any sport when comparing men to women. I personally find women's sports to be great when they are playing other women. I think some sports are better because the game is played differently. Women's volleyball is better to watch than men's volleyball. More strategy. Women's basketball has better fundamentals in my opinion. I like watching women's soccer because it is more scheme and skills. To each their own. Men can be so much faster, can jump higher and stronger. That is why we usually don't have men versus women because it can be lopsided. But we can also say watching college football is much worse than the NFL. I still like college more than the NFL.
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Post by hoobs on Jun 10, 2021 7:18:16 GMT -8
This is totally meaningless re. a comment on "quality of women's soccer." To TruAztec's point... the fact that the worst NFL team would destroy the U of Alabama team doesn't mean a single thing about 'the quality of' Alabama football. Why don't you just say that you, personally, don't like women's sports (or at least women's soccer) and leave it at that?
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Post by missiontrails on Jun 10, 2021 7:25:49 GMT -8
This is totally meaningless re. a comment on "quality of women's soccer." To TruAztec's point... the fact that the worst NFL team would destroy the U of Alabama team doesn't mean a single thing about 'the quality of' Alabama football. Why don't you just say that you, personally, don't like women's sports (or at least women's soccer) and leave it at that? Yeah, I didn't understand the point of that post either. Could have saved a lot of time by just typing "Yay Men! We're number one!"
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Post by Frantic on Jun 10, 2021 7:41:56 GMT -8
This is totally meaningless re. a comment on "quality of women's soccer." To TruAztec's point... the fact that the worst NFL team would destroy the U of Alabama team doesn't mean a single thing about 'the quality of' Alabama football. Why don't you just say that you, personally, don't like women's sports (or at least women's soccer) and leave it at that? That's a fair point. Everything is relative.
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Post by standiego on Jun 11, 2021 15:26:01 GMT -8
Some things to consider
The Boys beat the Womens team - per the article that is provided in 2019 . It was coached by Jill Ellis as she was getting the team ready for other T's . sure sounds as if she didn't mind losing a game to get the women heads in the right place for upcoming games / T 's . Jill is no longer the National Coach as she is now more of a GM for what would be the San Diego team .
Also Soccer realized that similar to the way Basketball is set up here and European Soccer . You need the high quality Young American guys to go over to Europe to play or .for the HS guys to Set up Soccer Academy schools - very similar to what Basketball did with HS Prep teams and or AAU teams . One of the best for Soccer has been in Texas .
So if you watch the current Mens National team they are getting guys from those Soccer Academys - great improvement from the way they used to try to grow Soccer in the US .
So those are young but experienced guys - similar to the Prep HS Basketball teams/Schools .
Do not think they have that set up for the Women yet- so those guys from the Academys are similar to AAA baseball players to the Majors in Baseball .
While the Women have good skills they are not going to be able to physically play with The Academy teams - Other countries are doing the same thing to develop their Soccer players .
Russia and other Communist countries have been doing similar things for years in a variety of sports . Taking Very Young talented kids and having them train to be superior athletes .
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Post by sdsustoner on Jun 11, 2021 18:55:47 GMT -8
Well we do it, but since we're at end-stage capitalism, only rich kids and poor kids with financial aid can attend private schools grooming you for D1 and further and also afford all the private coaching and lab science work outs that get you corporate-backed combine or mini-camp invites.
They're strictly grooming for their national teams while ours has the pro career track in mind.
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Post by jp92grad on Jun 11, 2021 20:57:37 GMT -8
Well we do it, but since we're at end-stage capitalism, only rich kids and poor kids with financial aid can attend private schools grooming you for D1 and further and also afford all the private coaching and lab science work outs that get you corporate-backed combine or mini-camp invites. They're strictly grooming for their national teams while ours has the pro career track in mind. Not as bad as going back in time when the Eastern Block countries of the late 50's - 70's used Fitness academy's for Fitness Assessments on children at young ages to see what they were dealing with. They were doing VO2max testing and Lung capacity testing (aerobic capacity testing) to separate out potential endurance athletes, muscle biopsies to see muscle make-up (fast twitch vs slow twitch) for strength and speed sports, Bone scans for growth potential (growth plates positions) and stuff like that. Then came all the PED's that are still not fully known about. This is what changed kids from a future of hard labor in the factories to being made into Olympic athletes. Talk about motivated athletes
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Post by jp92grad on Jun 12, 2021 11:35:39 GMT -8
Speaking of soccer in San Diego, what's the latest on the Chargers (hate saying the word with Spanos still in charge) former facility up the road from the new Aztec Stadium site? It sure seems like it would be a great soccer training center for an MSL or NWSL club.
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Post by aardvark on Jun 12, 2021 14:29:58 GMT -8
Speaking of soccer in San Diego, what's the latest on the Chargers (hate saying the word with Spanos still in charge) former facility up the road from the new Aztec Stadium site? It sure seems like it would be a great soccer training center for an MSL or NWSL club. It's currently being used by the SDPD.
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