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Post by chris92065 on Jun 12, 2021 14:38:56 GMT -8
The TV networks do NOT want expansion of Conferences unless the conference gets quality teams . They want competitive games not games where the Top Schools just cream the lower level teams . They have told the conferences those ideas and doubt they will pay more for those type of games . Quality over Quantity for the TV Networks and they are the ones shelling out the Money to the Conferences . So not sure if that means trying to steal teams from other Conferences or making sure they add schools that can make the jump to P5 standards or have a solid TV market . The top teams would rather shrink conferences. Does the PAC-12 really need WSU, OSU and ASU? The Big 12 with KSU, ISU. Neither really do if they realign. You can go to each P5 conference and find some schools that drag them down, especially when it comes to football which drives everything when it comes to money in collegiate sports. I think we will see one more major realignment with the best teams from one conference being poached by a better conference. The debris would then form the best conference they can out of the wreckage. Ultimately, college football will split off from the NCAA and form their own semi-pro leagues with, maybe 40 or so teams. Schools that don't make the cut will be more like farm clubs for the top league, though with no affiliations. So, a team like SDSU finds someone like a Marshall Faulk who slips through the initial cracks would see him get a contract to an Ohio State or an Alabama, whomever gives him the best offer. Yeah, not going to be a popular opinion on here but that is how I see it. Reasonable point. This sounds like the premire league in Europe. I just dont see it happening.
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Post by Den60 on Jun 12, 2021 15:30:01 GMT -8
The top teams would rather shrink conferences. Does the PAC-12 really need WSU, OSU and ASU? The Big 12 with KSU, ISU. Neither really do if they realign. You can go to each P5 conference and find some schools that drag them down, especially when it comes to football which drives everything when it comes to money in collegiate sports. I think we will see one more major realignment with the best teams from one conference being poached by a better conference. The debris would then form the best conference they can out of the wreckage. Ultimately, college football will split off from the NCAA and form their own semi-pro leagues with, maybe 40 or so teams. Schools that don't make the cut will be more like farm clubs for the top league, though with no affiliations. So, a team like SDSU finds someone like a Marshall Faulk who slips through the initial cracks would see him get a contract to an Ohio State or an Alabama, whomever gives him the best offer. Yeah, not going to be a popular opinion on here but that is how I see it. Reasonable point. This sounds like the premire league in Europe. I just dont see it happening. Interesting you said that because I could see that. Allow second division teams the opportunity to get in the main league each year. I could really see that. It does solve a bunch of problems but, unlike the EPL, all players are free agents after each year. Even the top schools would be able to poach players from other top division teams.
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Post by sdcoug on Jun 12, 2021 16:35:02 GMT -8
Reasonable point. This sounds like the premire league in Europe. I just dont see it happening. Interesting you said that because I could see that. Allow second division teams the opportunity to get in the main league each year. I could really see that. It does solve a bunch of problems but, unlike the EPL, all players are free agents after each year. Even the top schools would be able to poach players from other top division teams. Makes no sense. No program could operate not knowing if their revenues would vary by $20-$30M year over year, which is the gap between the 2 levels.
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Post by Den60 on Jun 12, 2021 19:10:48 GMT -8
Interesting you said that because I could see that. Allow second division teams the opportunity to get in the main league each year. I could really see that. It does solve a bunch of problems but, unlike the EPL, all players are free agents after each year. Even the top schools would be able to poach players from other top division teams. Makes no sense. No program could operate not knowing if their revenues would vary by $20-$30M year over year, which is the gap between the 2 levels. You are looking at it from a different point of view than of the "haves." There is, at best, 20 teams each year that have a reasonable chance for a national championship recently, it is closer to 10). Double that to 20 just to have enough games each year to fill a schedule. Unlike the NFL, there is no mechanism to try to equalize teams to give each one a chance to better themselves (e.g. Worst teams get higher draft picks). The rest of us are just fodder.
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Post by SD Johnny on Jun 13, 2021 5:15:53 GMT -8
Makes no sense. No program could operate not knowing if their revenues would vary by $20-$30M year over year, which is the gap between the 2 levels. You are looking at it from a different point of view than of the "haves." There is, at best, 20 teams each year that have a reasonable chance for a national championship recently, it is closer to 10). Double that to 20 just to have enough games each year to fill a schedule. Unlike the NFL, there is no mechanism to try to equalize teams to give each one a chance to better themselves (e.g. Worst teams get higher draft picks). The rest of us are just fodder. This is correct currently but with the expanded playoff and free transfers going forward there will be a lot of talent dispersed throughout college football rather than being so top heavy. The powers that be saw what was happening and the expanded playoff number 1 goal is to create more parity. Surprisingly money is the #2 reason.
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Post by standiego on Jun 13, 2021 10:44:59 GMT -8
The Money that the TV networks provide is a very strong part of P5's budget . So doubt they want to rock the boat with the TV Networks .
Up coming is Expansion of the Playoffs - possibly more Money . As it could go from 3 games for the playoffs to is it 11 games? So why would a conference want to make drastic changes that could affect their opportunity to make additional money . they are going to want to do things that will continue their flow of money or maybe things that increase . Not likely to want to elevate quality teams ( Non P5 ) to their level . Would hurt them in being able to recruit and if they add teams then it also could make the slice they get smaller .
The P5 conferences are able to make a great amount money . They are the teams that get the highest rated HS recruits and very likely to get the better transfers .
They will continue to do what continues to bring in the money . Of course the higher level P5 teams benefit the most and the teams that are closer to the bottom level still make good money . So doubt they are going to want to change things that will cost them money .
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Post by Den60 on Jun 13, 2021 12:24:58 GMT -8
Makes no sense. No program could operate not knowing if their revenues would vary by $20-$30M year over year, which is the gap between the 2 levels. You are looking at it from a different point of view than of the "haves." There is, at best, 20 teams each year that have a reasonable chance for a national championship recently, it is closer to 10). Double that to 20 just to have enough games each year to fill a schedule. Unlike the NFL, there is no mechanism to try to equalize teams to give each one a chance to better themselves (e.g. Worst teams get higher draft picks). The rest of us are just fodder. I rethought that and would amend to say that they would offer contracts (like scholarships) to keep other teams in their league from poaching. But any player outside their league would be free game each year, maybe even during the season. The one good thing is that such a move may only affect football. Were they to try to add basketball into the mix, which does generate revenue, they would likely have to carry women's basketball which loses money.
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Post by standiego on Jun 14, 2021 8:26:12 GMT -8
a few thoughts
The P5 is going to do what is best for them to keep as much money flowing in as possible
Each Conference will do what is best for them Money Wise
Each school will do the same within each conference - although the higher tier schools seem to have a louder voice
Rarely are things done for the good of the sport or college athletics
P5 conferences enjoy having the upper hand over the G5 and will do what is best for them - including Not having more schools going from a G5 level to a P5 level .
College Sports is a Very Big Money situation - run as a business - you do what you can to keep the competition at a lower level
So do not expect the PAC or B12 to do anything that could result in other G5 schools elevating to their level . If a school similar to SDSU would be elevated to a P5 level , SDSU would get more money , be able to recruit better players ,getting better players and more money - bottom line be able to Challenge P5 schools . Especially challenge to the lower level schools but after a few years could be a challenge to even the higher level schools .
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