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Post by aztecalbe on May 14, 2021 10:30:53 GMT -8
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Post by hoobs on May 14, 2021 10:45:01 GMT -8
SDSU and UNLV keep looking like a better and better package to add to the Pac. With this new commissioner, maybe that possibility will go from DOA to... at least being on life support. Which is better than nothing.
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Post by SD Johnny on May 14, 2021 11:07:28 GMT -8
If Texas goes east we are sitting pretty if the pac 12 expands with two or four teams. It’s us and UNLV. Colorado state doesn’t add a market, Boise is a community college in a tiny market, BYU won’t get in due to religion, and Houston//Oklahoma/Okie State are too far away without Texas.
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Post by Old School on May 14, 2021 11:15:19 GMT -8
SDSU is a no brainer. But the folks don't think with their brains, they think with their wallets.
Oldie Out
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Post by laaztec on May 14, 2021 11:30:55 GMT -8
SDSU has always been a no brainer as a Pac 12 expansion candidate. SDSU fits perfect in the Pac 12 and that’s why it will never happen.
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Post by sdcoug on May 14, 2021 11:44:14 GMT -8
The University presidents are the ones who dictate expansion, and their mandate has always been requiring they be a Research 1 (tier 1) University. SDSU is a Research 2 University. Unless that changes, SDSU most likely is out of the consideration set. The only thing I could see changing that would be the school having a significant impact on media revenues, which the P12 doesn't see in SDSU right now. We've typically won the ratings war in SD, but USC, UCLA, etc. get pretty good ratings locally as well.
UNLV, UNR, UNM & CSU are all Research 1 Universities, but not sure if any have the pull or allure to entice the P12 to act, especially since CU has the Denver market. Maybe UNLV.
BSU will never be in their consideration set. Ever.
The Big 12 is our best option, especially if 1 or 2 of their universities jump ship AND if the B12 adds a western division (4+ schools) to make it more viable for travel considerations.
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Post by Boise Aztec on May 14, 2021 11:47:55 GMT -8
That is why the new guy was brought in, new ideas... not saying it will happen... because it would be difficult...
The article was well written and logical.
If OU comes then OSU has to come... then for SDSU to get in they would need to go to 16 teams... hopefully OU is happy, as they should be, with their place in the CFP secured pretty much each year with the quality of the B12.
Texas isn’t going anywhere, which is why the author didn’t even consider them...
It will be an interesting 18 months...
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Post by sdcoug on May 14, 2021 12:00:00 GMT -8
That is why the new guy was brought in, new ideas... not saying it will happen... because it would be difficult... The article was well written and logical. If OU comes then OSU has to come... then for SDSU to get in they would need to go to 16 teams... hopefully OU is happy, as they should be, with their place in the CFP secured pretty much each year with the quality of the B12. Texas isn’t going anywhere, which is why the author didn’t even consider them... It will be an interesting 18 months... The new guy still works for the Presidents, not the other way around. He may have new ideas, but think that'll be more from an exposure & day-to-day perspective. He can suggest expansion, but the Presidents will drive it. I really doubt anything happens for at least 2 years. The P12 contract doesn't expire until '24, and the B12 doesn't expire until '25. I doubt either does anything until 12 months prior, if that. Only Oklahoma really could move the current media contract dial enough to cause them to want to renegotiate early IMO.
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Post by AzTex on May 14, 2021 12:08:20 GMT -8
I don't know anything about the writer's credibility, but I found it very interesting that so many of the comments agreed with SDSU being a viable candidate. I still don't believe it will even happen in my lifetime, but it'd be nice.
Personally, I'd be just as happy getting into the Big 12.
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Post by 🥸 Hopeless Aztec on May 14, 2021 12:53:34 GMT -8
The University presidents are the ones who dictate expansion, and their mandate has always been requiring they be a Research 1 (tier 1) University. SDSU is a Research 2 University. Unless that changes, SDSU most likely is out of the consideration set. The only thing I could see changing that would be the school having a significant impact on media revenues, which the P12 doesn't see in SDSU right now. We've typically won the ratings war in SD, but USC, UCLA, etc. get pretty good ratings locally as well. UNLV, UNR, UNM & CSU are all Research 1 Universities, but not sure if any have the pull or allure to entice the P12 to act, especially since CU has the Denver market. Maybe UNLV. BSU will never be in their consideration set. Ever. The Big 12 is our best option, especially if 1 or 2 of their universities jump ship AND if the B12 adds a western division (4+ schools) to make it more viable for travel considerations. What would it take to become a Research 1 university? Are we getting closer? Is it just about dollar bills? I honestly have never heard that I can recall the difference between level 1 and level 2. Maybe AzTex can free up some money in his will to help with our cause.
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Post by rickdoerr on May 14, 2021 13:29:05 GMT -8
That is why the new guy was brought in, new ideas... not saying it will happen... because it would be difficult... The article was well written and logical. It will be an interesting 18 months... Supposedly the conference school presidents make the decision. I wonder what their decision would be if Disney/ESPN said do it.
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Post by HollywoodAztec on May 14, 2021 13:41:52 GMT -8
Unless the PAC12 can offer more money to the aforementioned Big12 teams if the contract is renegotiated, they might consider jumping ship. As of right now, Big12 teams get more money than PAC12 schools. Also, if the expanded playoff concept comes to fruition, would it make sense to make your path to reach the playoffs more difficult?
For MWC teams, we simply want/need more money so we can put ourselves in a better position to compete. But for P6 schools, they already have the $$$ and resources.
According to US News & World Report, we're the 4th highest ranked school on this list behind yBu, Kansas and Oklahoma (only 10 spots behind OU). Not sure what happened but we were in the 120's at one point.
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Post by aztech on May 14, 2021 14:07:35 GMT -8
The University presidents are the ones who dictate expansion, and their mandate has always been requiring they be a Research 1 (tier 1) University. SDSU is a Research 2 University. Unless that changes, SDSU most likely is out of the consideration set. The only thing I could see changing that would be the school having a significant impact on media revenues, which the P12 doesn't see in SDSU right now. We've typically won the ratings war in SD, but USC, UCLA, etc. get pretty good ratings locally as well. UNLV, UNR, UNM & CSU are all Research 1 Universities, but not sure if any have the pull or allure to entice the P12 to act, especially since CU has the Denver market. Maybe UNLV. BSU will never be in their consideration set. Ever. The Big 12 is our best option, especially if 1 or 2 of their universities jump ship AND if the B12 adds a western division (4+ schools) to make it more viable for travel considerations. What would it take to become a Research 1 university? Are we getting closer? Is it just about dollar bills? I honestly have never heard that I can recall the difference between level 1 and level 2. Maybe AzTex can free up some money in his will to help with our cause. If I recall, even President Weber was looking into SDSU becoming a Charter School which would have allowed us to be a Research 1 (tier 1) school. For example, creating a Law School. Whichever system(CSU or UC) nixed it, it was probably due to preserving their own agenda. Of those 10 schools considered as expansion candidates, our US News & World Report University Ranking is 3rd. Only Kansas, Oklahoma and BYU have a higher ranking. I think that speaks well for us, considering how the UC system has always limited us.
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Post by tonatiuh on May 14, 2021 14:29:41 GMT -8
Never say never, because you don't know for sure what may happen and maybe the new PAC 12 commissioner can change some minds and attitudes. We just naturally
fit better in the PAC 12 because of our location. And if the Big 12 starts losing members and falling apart due to re-alignment it would be similar to
what happened to the BIG EAST when we were suppose to join them a decade ago. Remember? It sounded so good that we were going to be in a conference
with teams like West Virginia, Syracuse, Pittsburg, and such. But, little did we know they didn't like or want us, and they left to join the ACC,
and we were not told of what was really going on then. We were going to join a skeleton conference with teams in it that were nothing, and had no
respect or name. Worse than the Mountain West in reality.
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Post by chris92065 on May 14, 2021 15:14:38 GMT -8
okie and texas are never coming west.
if they went anywhere:
1. Sec
2.big ten
3. nowhere
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Post by azson on May 14, 2021 15:29:24 GMT -8
I don't know anything about the writer's credibility, but I found it very interesting that so many of the comments agreed with SDSU being a viable candidate. I still don't believe it will even happen in my lifetime, but it'd be nice. Personally, I'd be just as happy getting into the Big 12.
Many here said the same thing about the new stadium - dream big, baby!
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Post by sdmotohead on May 14, 2021 17:32:54 GMT -8
At the risk of throwing cold water onto this, I'd like to refer back to Zeigler's recent article on the pending chasm between the "haves" and the "have not" football schools. I can't find the article but I remember him saying that there would be a contraction of P5 schools as the big named schools look to break away from the NCAA. I thought I remember him specifically singling out schools like Oregon St and Washington St as examples of schools in a P5 conference that probably wouldn't be a part of the new structure. I'm not holding my breath for a Pac-12 invite, that's for sure.
With that said, it's always nice to dream!
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Post by missiontrails on May 14, 2021 22:23:46 GMT -8
Interesting list the author has there. Seems he did a pretty good job listing pros/cons/likelihood of each school. One thing he didn't bring up though re SDSU, is the obvious plus - the new stadium and expanded campus/research facility. The stadium will definitely be a candidate for the Holiday Bowl or equivalent level bowl game (or two?). I'd think having a brand new hotel right there on site will be a big plus for visiting teams as well. San Diego and, if invited, UNLV would automatically become two of the most popular destination cities for opposing fans to travel to. Both would be popular to travel to for basketball fans as well.
As others have said: it's a no brainer, so it definitely won't happen.
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Post by AzTex on May 15, 2021 3:16:36 GMT -8
I don't know anything about the writer's credibility, but I found it very interesting that so many of the comments agreed with SDSU being a viable candidate. I still don't believe it will even happen in my lifetime, but it'd be nice. Personally, I'd be just as happy getting into the Big 12.
Many here said the same thing about the new stadium - dream big, baby! I've been dreaming about moving up to the big time a lot longer than about a new stadium. The good news for you is that just because I don't think it'll happen in my lifetime, doesn't mean it won't happen soon. sigh
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Post by longtimebooster on May 15, 2021 5:03:11 GMT -8
SDSU and UNLV keep looking like a better and better package to add to the Pac. With this new commissioner, maybe that possibility will go from DOA to... at least being on life support. Which is better than nothing. I literally wrote a treatise on this way, way back in the very early iteration of this board, circa 1996. I have since re-posted iterations of that original treatise at least a dozen times since. I said then -- when people were saying our natural rivals were either Fresno St. or BYU -- that there was only one school/metro market we should tandem with and that was UNLV. I said then that the Chargers would eventually abandon the Q for downtown, which, sadly, I didn't think would be downtown Inglewood. At that point, SDSU should gobble up the land, build an SDSU extension, expand enrollment to 50k, dramatically boost its research capabilities and maybe even add a law school. (The law school notion is likely doomed simply due to a massive glut of attorneys/law schools in the U.S.) Concurrently, SDSU should team with UNLV, which has by far the greatest potential of any school/market in the Western U.S. The place, academically, was admittedly a dumpster fire in the '90s and had a horrible reputation among academics. They've since made great strides, adding even a med school and law school. I stated they should build a new stadium either on campus or on the strip, which would be a huge hit among tourists, conventioneers and traveling fans. The Raiders' move to town and their colossal new palace only helps. With all the pieces in place, the tandem of San Diego and Vegas is undeniably powerful for a conference. You get two up-and-coming academic institutions along with two of the most-desirable travel destinations in the U.S., if not the world. What? You want to add Lawrence, KS, or Stillwater, OK? Boise, ID, or Provo, UT? Seriously? You think your traveling fan base would get excited about that? Ridiculous. Vegas/San Diego? Thank you, sir, may I have another! It's a no brainer. Of course, when I first wrote and posted my treatise on this topic, I figured the process would take 10, maybe 15, years. It has ended up taking twice as long, at least. But I can definitely see a light at the end of the tunnel. And I can see this coming to fruition in another 5 years. Stay tuned.
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