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Post by sdsuball on Mar 21, 2022 11:30:45 GMT -8
Thanks Ryan. This distinction that the US lawyers made seems relevant: "Another key point was that U.S. State Department lawyers made a distinction between "guarantee" and "assurance", referring to the security guarantees that were desired by Ukraine in exchange for non-proliferation. In the end a statement was read into the negotiation record that the (according to the U.S. lawyers) lesser sense of the English word "assurance" would be the sole implied translation for all appearances of both terms in all three language versions of the statement.[9]"So basically, the US and Russia gave Ukraine an assurance (basically, their word) that they would protect Ukraine. Within the context of that agreement, how do we evaluate the US and their fulfillment of this "assurance" (what seems to mean a promise, but not a binding pact)?
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Post by aztecmusician on Mar 22, 2022 16:01:14 GMT -8
Reports are that Poland wanted to send older MiG fighter planes to Ukraine for Ukrainian pilots to fly, but the Biden people put the brakes on that. I don’t know if that was a good decision or not, but it is clear that Putin is still dictating the terms of the fight….in other words he still has the initiative, in spite of his army’s stalled ground offensive. As it is right now, all Putin needs to do is growl about escalating the conflict and the Biden people back down. That is not a sound winning military strategy. Once again, President Clinton promised the Ukrainian People the USA would protect them in lieu of giving up their nuclear weapons. Once again, this argument lacks critical context and is utterly misleading. Escalation of a conflict doesn't serve US interests. From 1994: "Under the agreement, the United States, Russia and Britain will provide security assurances for Ukraine when it gives up its weapons and becomes an adherent of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Ukraine also will get financial assistance in dismantling the weapons as well as compensation for surrendering the highly enriched uranium in the warheads, which can be converted into fuel for civilian nuclear reactors." It is not an argument, more of an actual observation. You seem in need of clarification, you seem very sensitive and defensive concerning President Biden, almost as if you are embarrassed about voting for him in the first place. Fact: Poland offered the use of it’s MiG fighters and the Biden people put the brakes on that. Fact: Because Putin is dictating where the military engagements are going to be and what weaponry is deployed, he currently has the initiative (albeit that is beginning to wane). Fact: The United States promised military assistance to the Ukrainian people. Now, President Biden’s financial sanctions is some measure of assistance but I’m sure the Ukrainian people would deem these actions as insufficient. Opinion: Today President Biden read a statement concerning the current situation. He seemed lethargic and sleepy…..definitely NOT PRESIDENTIAL. At least Clinton, Carter and Obama could read a teleprompter with some verve, Biden looks like he dropped some shrooms before his performance. Once again, that is the person you libs insisted would be soooooo much better than you know who.
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Post by uwphoto on Mar 22, 2022 16:34:51 GMT -8
Once again, this argument lacks critical context and is utterly misleading. Escalation of a conflict doesn't serve US interests. From 1994: "Under the agreement, the United States, Russia and Britain will provide security assurances for Ukraine when it gives up its weapons and becomes an adherent of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Ukraine also will get financial assistance in dismantling the weapons as well as compensation for surrendering the highly enriched uranium in the warheads, which can be converted into fuel for civilian nuclear reactors." It is not an argument, more of an actual observation. You seem in need of clarification, you seem very sensitive and defensive concerning President Biden, almost as if you are embarrassed about voting for him in the first place. Fact: Poland offered the use of it’s MiG fighters and the Biden people put the brakes on that. Fact: Because Putin is dictating where the military engagements are going to be and what weaponry is deployed, he currently has the initiative (albeit that is beginning to wane). Fact: The United States promised military assistance to the Ukrainian people. Now, President Biden’s financial sanctions is some measure of assistance but I’m sure the Ukrainian people would deem these actions as insufficient. Opinion: Today President Biden read a statement concerning the current situation. He seemed lethargic and sleepy…..definitely NOT PRESIDENTIAL. At least Clinton, Carter and Obama could read a teleprompter with some verve, Biden looks like he dropped some shrooms before his performance. Once again, that is the person you libs insisted would be soooooo much better than you know who. Your post means nothing. "You Libs" includes the Rhinos as well right? Since you are saying FU to some of us.... FU too asshole! We have to tread lightly here. Putin is making moves that appear unbalanced and not well thought out. He's struggling to accomplish what he wants to do...and hasn't left himself much of an out. We have to tread lightly here..this guy is capable of anything! Easy for you to give advise on the Polish jets. One wrong move here and we could get nuclear winter.
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Post by aztecmusician on Mar 22, 2022 20:48:36 GMT -8
It is not an argument, more of an actual observation. You seem in need of clarification, you seem very sensitive and defensive concerning President Biden, almost as if you are embarrassed about voting for him in the first place. Fact: Poland offered the use of it’s MiG fighters and the Biden people put the brakes on that. Fact: Because Putin is dictating where the military engagements are going to be and what weaponry is deployed, he currently has the initiative (albeit that is beginning to wane). Fact: The United States promised military assistance to the Ukrainian people. Now, President Biden’s financial sanctions is some measure of assistance but I’m sure the Ukrainian people would deem these actions as insufficient. Opinion: Today President Biden read a statement concerning the current situation. He seemed lethargic and sleepy…..definitely NOT PRESIDENTIAL. At least Clinton, Carter and Obama could read a teleprompter with some verve, Biden looks like he dropped some shrooms before his performance. Once again, that is the person you libs insisted would be soooooo much better than you know who. Your post means nothing. "You Libs" includes the Rhinos as well right? Since you are saying FU to some of us.... FU too asshole! We have to tread lightly here. Putin is making moves that appear unbalanced and not well thought out. He's struggling to accomplish what he wants to do...and hasn't left himself much of an out. We have to tread lightly here..this guy is capable of anything! Easy for you to give advise on the Polish jets. One wrong move here and we could get nuclear winter. Look, you libs went all in on electing Biden. The late night comedians were telling jokes, the Dominion machines and somewhat sequestered Dem poll workers were busy shuffling ballots, mainstream media outlets were suppressing Hunter Biden scandal stories and social media outlets were furiously practicing their own unique brand of Soviet style censorship. It was breathtaking to watch. All of you libs insisted Biden was a better choice than Trump, ignoring (even to this day) the signs that he is a demented old man who can barely read a teleprompter. I question your judgement. You saw all of the symptoms, yet were so blinded by your intense hatred of Trump that it didn’t occur to you the consequences of having a weak, mentally impaired person as president. I know it hurts for you to read these words, but we are about to reap what you have sowed. Putin is not going to back down from half measures and it is eventually going to come down to a conflict if we keep doing the current appeasement strategy. BTW, if you can’t keep it civil, you should just stop typing. We all have our opinions and should be free to express them in a non vulgar manner. Pray for peace.
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Post by sdsuball on Mar 22, 2022 22:02:46 GMT -8
Your post means nothing. "You Libs" includes the Rhinos as well right? Since you are saying FU to some of us.... FU too asshole! We have to tread lightly here. Putin is making moves that appear unbalanced and not well thought out. He's struggling to accomplish what he wants to do...and hasn't left himself much of an out. We have to tread lightly here..this guy is capable of anything! Easy for you to give advise on the Polish jets. One wrong move here and we could get nuclear winter. Look, you libs went all in on electing Biden. The late night comedians were telling jokes, the Dominion machines and somewhat sequestered Dem poll workers were busy shuffling ballots, mainstream media outlets were suppressing Hunter Biden scandal stories and social media outlets were furiously practicing their own unique brand of Soviet style censorship. It was breathtaking to watch. All of you libs insisted Biden was a better choice than Trump, ignoring (even to this day) the signs that he is a demented old man who can barely read a teleprompter. I question your judgement. You saw all of the symptoms, yet were so blinded by your intense hatred of Trump that it didn’t occur to you the consequences of having a weak, mentally impaired person as president. I know it hurts for you to read these words, but we are about to reap what you have sowed. Putin is not going to back down from half measures and it is eventually going to come down to a conflict if we keep doing the current appeasement strategy. BTW, if you can’t keep it civil, you should just stop typing. We all have our opinions and should be free to express them in a non vulgar manner. Pray for peace. You aren't being very civil using slurs instead of defending your argument with facts. Saying 'libs this, libs that' devalues your argument and turns it into a partisan tug of war. I even quoted that agreement that we made with Ukraine and Russia. You want to back up your argument? Use that! Stop with the partisan bickering. Wait until 2024. Seesh.
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Post by aztecryan on Mar 23, 2022 7:53:41 GMT -8
Once again, this argument lacks critical context and is utterly misleading. Escalation of a conflict doesn't serve US interests. From 1994: "Under the agreement, the United States, Russia and Britain will provide security assurances for Ukraine when it gives up its weapons and becomes an adherent of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Ukraine also will get financial assistance in dismantling the weapons as well as compensation for surrendering the highly enriched uranium in the warheads, which can be converted into fuel for civilian nuclear reactors." It is not an argument, more of an actual observation. You seem in need of clarification, you seem very sensitive and defensive concerning President Biden, almost as if you are embarrassed about voting for him in the first place. Fact: Poland offered the use of it’s MiG fighters and the Biden people put the brakes on that. Fact: Because Putin is dictating where the military engagements are going to be and what weaponry is deployed, he currently has the initiative (albeit that is beginning to wane). Fact: The United States promised military assistance to the Ukrainian people. Now, President Biden’s financial sanctions is some measure of assistance but I’m sure the Ukrainian people would deem these actions as insufficient. Opinion: Today President Biden read a statement concerning the current situation. He seemed lethargic and sleepy…..definitely NOT PRESIDENTIAL. At least Clinton, Carter and Obama could read a teleprompter with some verve, Biden looks like he dropped some shrooms before his performance. Once again, that is the person you libs insisted would be soooooo much better than you know who. This may be one of the saddest posts I've seen in history. I'm "in need of clarification" because your posts aren't anywhere near truthful, they come with an extreme anti-Democrat spin and blatantly withhold crucial context. Your attempts to mislead people aren't going to fly, not here, anyway. So there's that. I could care less about Joe Biden, personally. He wouldn't have been the candidate for me. Ashamed to vote for him, though? No. Not even close. I survived four years under the worst presidential administration in my lifetime. Change was needed. The hilarity of using the words "not presidential" when we had a literal toddler occupy the Oval Office....is rich. If any sane person can not come to grips with the fact the guy Biden replaced had to go, well...you need to do some soul searching. Trumpism has given rise to some of the worst human beings in this country that have now infiltrated Congress. Here's a fact: $800M was earmarked by Biden for humanitarian and military aid for Ukraine. Here's another fact: www.reuters.com/world/biden-approves-350-million-military-aid-ukraine-2022-02-26/Don't sit here and disingenuously state that the US is doing nothing to help the people of Ukraine. It's false. Anyone who uses the term "libs" is either 12 or lacks the cognitive ability to formulate a credible argument.
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Post by aztecryan on Mar 23, 2022 8:03:06 GMT -8
Your post means nothing. "You Libs" includes the Rhinos as well right? Since you are saying FU to some of us.... FU too asshole! We have to tread lightly here. Putin is making moves that appear unbalanced and not well thought out. He's struggling to accomplish what he wants to do...and hasn't left himself much of an out. We have to tread lightly here..this guy is capable of anything! Easy for you to give advise on the Polish jets. One wrong move here and we could get nuclear winter. Look, you libs went all in on electing Biden. The late night comedians were telling jokes, the Dominion machines and somewhat sequestered Dem poll workers were busy shuffling ballots, mainstream media outlets were suppressing Hunter Biden scandal stories and social media outlets were furiously practicing their own unique brand of Soviet style censorship. It was breathtaking to watch. All of you libs insisted Biden was a better choice than Trump, ignoring (even to this day) the signs that he is a demented old man who can barely read a teleprompter. I question your judgement. You saw all of the symptoms, yet were so blinded by your intense hatred of Trump that it didn’t occur to you the consequences of having a weak, mentally impaired person as president. I know it hurts for you to read these words, but we are about to reap what you have sowed. Putin is not going to back down from half measures and it is eventually going to come down to a conflict if we keep doing the current appeasement strategy. BTW, if you can’t keep it civil, you should just stop typing. We all have our opinions and should be free to express them in a non vulgar manner. Pray for peace. The irony of that last paragraph when you're insulting people right and left is....something. We insisted Biden was a better choice because for four years, we suffered humiliation as a society under a corrupt narcissist who alienated a massive percentage of this population. We had daily attacks on the press, we had unimaginable levels of corruption within the government, we had two impeachments, we had a literal insurrection and a man who was unfit to lead a Dairy Queen, let alone the United States. You can argue Biden is old, he stutters, whatever you want. He came about because your hero was the absolute worst failure in modern presidential history. I could understand or even appreciate this argument if Donald Trump had any kind of redeeming quality. He doesn't. He cares about his own power and that's it. On this actual conflict, I'm not sure you know what you speak of. If you want the United States to just go attack Russia, well....that isn't happening. Sorry. Foreign policy with sovereign nations is a complex system of backroom deals, diplomacy, half-measures and delicate maneuvering because the alternative is far, far worse. America has stated that they will defend every inch of NATO-controlled ground repeatedly. They have troops on the ground in Poland. They have troops on the ground throughout Europe. They are doing exactly what they said they would do up until this point because another needless war isn't what this country needs at all.
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Post by aztecmusician on Mar 23, 2022 12:01:42 GMT -8
Look, you libs went all in on electing Biden. The late night comedians were telling jokes, the Dominion machines and somewhat sequestered Dem poll workers were busy shuffling ballots, mainstream media outlets were suppressing Hunter Biden scandal stories and social media outlets were furiously practicing their own unique brand of Soviet style censorship. It was breathtaking to watch. All of you libs insisted Biden was a better choice than Trump, ignoring (even to this day) the signs that he is a demented old man who can barely read a teleprompter. I question your judgement. You saw all of the symptoms, yet were so blinded by your intense hatred of Trump that it didn’t occur to you the consequences of having a weak, mentally impaired person as president. I know it hurts for you to read these words, but we are about to reap what you have sowed. Putin is not going to back down from half measures and it is eventually going to come down to a conflict if we keep doing the current appeasement strategy. BTW, if you can’t keep it civil, you should just stop typing. We all have our opinions and should be free to express them in a non vulgar manner. Pray for peace. The irony of that last paragraph when you're insulting people right and left is....something. We insisted Biden was a better choice because for four years, we suffered humiliation as a society under a corrupt narcissist who alienated a massive percentage of this population. We had daily attacks on the press, we had unimaginable levels of corruption within the government, we had two impeachments, we had a literal insurrection and a man who was unfit to lead a Dairy Queen, let alone the United States. You can argue Biden is old, he stutters, whatever you want. He came about because your hero was the absolute worst failure in modern presidential history. I could understand or even appreciate this argument if Donald Trump had any kind of redeeming quality. He doesn't. He cares about his own power and that's it. On this actual conflict, I'm not sure you know what you speak of. If you want the United States to just go attack Russia, well....that isn't happening. Sorry. Foreign policy with sovereign nations is a complex system of backroom deals, diplomacy, half-measures and delicate maneuvering because the alternative is far, far worse. America has stated that they will defend every inch of NATO-controlled ground repeatedly. They have troops on the ground in Poland. They have troops on the ground throughout Europe. They are doing exactly what they said they would do up until this point because another needless war isn't what this country needs at all. The first paragraph you are way off base. You don’t realize all of the intense hatred directed at conservatives by liberals on pretty much every issue, rioting in the streets, covid, the election ect. The censorship, hate and demonizing anyone who disagrees with you is really astonishing. The second paragraph….well….we shall see what happens. I’m not optimistic based on Biden’s career record of disaster after disaster. The Afghanistan debacle was just the latest major screw up, now he has a potential global conflict to fumble and fu(+ up. That’s why I’m recommending prayer.
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Post by sdsuball on Mar 23, 2022 12:25:58 GMT -8
The irony of that last paragraph when you're insulting people right and left is....something. We insisted Biden was a better choice because for four years, we suffered humiliation as a society under a corrupt narcissist who alienated a massive percentage of this population. We had daily attacks on the press, we had unimaginable levels of corruption within the government, we had two impeachments, we had a literal insurrection and a man who was unfit to lead a Dairy Queen, let alone the United States. You can argue Biden is old, he stutters, whatever you want. He came about because your hero was the absolute worst failure in modern presidential history. I could understand or even appreciate this argument if Donald Trump had any kind of redeeming quality. He doesn't. He cares about his own power and that's it. On this actual conflict, I'm not sure you know what you speak of. If you want the United States to just go attack Russia, well....that isn't happening. Sorry. Foreign policy with sovereign nations is a complex system of backroom deals, diplomacy, half-measures and delicate maneuvering because the alternative is far, far worse. America has stated that they will defend every inch of NATO-controlled ground repeatedly. They have troops on the ground in Poland. They have troops on the ground throughout Europe. They are doing exactly what they said they would do up until this point because another needless war isn't what this country needs at all. The first paragraph you are way off base. You don’t realize all of the intense hatred directed at conservatives by liberals on pretty much every issue, rioting in the streets, covid, the election ect. The censorship, hate and demonizing anyone who disagrees with you is really astonishing. The second paragraph….well….we shall see what happens. I’m not optimistic based on Biden’s career record of disaster after disaster. The Afghanistan debacle was just the latest major screw up, now he has a potential global conflict to fumble and fu(+ up. That’s why I’m recommending prayer. Let's break this hatred down: - Rioting in the streets - You should probably clarify specifically what bothers you, by groups on both sides of the political spectrum. When I think of rioting I think of the riots created by BLM protestors, with vandalism and looting; I also think of the riot created by Trump election protestors when they attacked the capital and tried to overturn democracy. - COVID - What specifically are you angry about? For me, I'm angry about the federal vaccination mandates, but I'm good with the stimulus spending, and I was good with the mask mandates (I don't see them as necessary anymore). The government shutdowns/reopening's - I'm annoyed with how Newsom handled this. It should have been smoother and easier for businesses. - The Election - Are you angry that Trump lost? Do you really believe that there was election fraud? - The censorship - Are you annoyed at online platforms (Facebook/Twitter) then I assume? Spotify? For me, it annoys me that people are censored when they are open and honest with people in what they are sharing. For example, if people are presenting evidence that contradicts popular opinion, I don't think that should be censored. I don't think that Joe Rogan should be censored either. What I do think is that 1. People need to stop blatantly lying, and people need to stop blindly supporting ideas or theories because they mesh well with their personal worldview/political tribe/ etc. without doing some research first. I don't like the demonizing either, but I would also suggest that you look in the mirror at your recent posts regarding Biden. Some of the things that you've said about him are criticisms that are not critical of his job performance, but are just putdowns/labels designed to smear someone.
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Post by uwphoto on Mar 23, 2022 12:44:00 GMT -8
Your post means nothing. "You Libs" includes the Rhinos as well right? Since you are saying FU to some of us.... FU too asshole! We have to tread lightly here. Putin is making moves that appear unbalanced and not well thought out. He's struggling to accomplish what he wants to do...and hasn't left himself much of an out. We have to tread lightly here..this guy is capable of anything! Easy for you to give advise on the Polish jets. One wrong move here and we could get nuclear winter. Look, you libs went all in on electing Biden. The late night comedians were telling jokes, the Dominion machines and somewhat sequestered Dem poll workers were busy shuffling ballots, mainstream media outlets were suppressing Hunter Biden scandal stories and social media outlets were furiously practicing their own unique brand of Soviet style censorship. It was breathtaking to watch. All of you libs insisted Biden was a better choice than Trump, ignoring (even to this day) the signs that he is a demented old man who can barely read a teleprompter. I question your judgement. You saw all of the symptoms, yet were so blinded by your intense hatred of Trump that it didn’t occur to you the consequences of having a weak, mentally impaired person as president. I know it hurts for you to read these words, but we are about to reap what you have sowed. Putin is not going to back down from half measures and it is eventually going to come down to a conflict if we keep doing the current appeasement strategy. BTW, if you can’t keep it civil, you should just stop typing. We all have our opinions and should be free to express them in a non vulgar manner. Pray for peace. there you go again, you are all over the map. Read your own stuff dude. You are not worth responding to.
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Post by aztecryan on Mar 23, 2022 13:13:31 GMT -8
The irony of that last paragraph when you're insulting people right and left is....something. We insisted Biden was a better choice because for four years, we suffered humiliation as a society under a corrupt narcissist who alienated a massive percentage of this population. We had daily attacks on the press, we had unimaginable levels of corruption within the government, we had two impeachments, we had a literal insurrection and a man who was unfit to lead a Dairy Queen, let alone the United States. You can argue Biden is old, he stutters, whatever you want. He came about because your hero was the absolute worst failure in modern presidential history. I could understand or even appreciate this argument if Donald Trump had any kind of redeeming quality. He doesn't. He cares about his own power and that's it. On this actual conflict, I'm not sure you know what you speak of. If you want the United States to just go attack Russia, well....that isn't happening. Sorry. Foreign policy with sovereign nations is a complex system of backroom deals, diplomacy, half-measures and delicate maneuvering because the alternative is far, far worse. America has stated that they will defend every inch of NATO-controlled ground repeatedly. They have troops on the ground in Poland. They have troops on the ground throughout Europe. They are doing exactly what they said they would do up until this point because another needless war isn't what this country needs at all. The first paragraph you are way off base. You don’t realize all of the intense hatred directed at conservatives by liberals on pretty much every issue, rioting in the streets, covid, the election ect. The censorship, hate and demonizing anyone who disagrees with you is really astonishing. The second paragraph….well….we shall see what happens. I’m not optimistic based on Biden’s career record of disaster after disaster. The Afghanistan debacle was just the latest major screw up, now he has a potential global conflict to fumble and fu(+ up. That’s why I’m recommending prayer. Oh, no, I definitely realize it. You somehow think that's a one-way street? Hello, echo...echo....chamber. This just in: It goes both directions, nightly, in plain view. That "intense hatred" tends to formulate when open racism is tolerated (or even approved of) in the Republican party, corruption is rampant and people like Marjorie Taylor Greene and Madison Cawthorn are not only given platforms, they are amplified in doing so to spread conspiracy and division. The major flaw in this is happening right now: The Republican criticism of CRT and the attack on education....is a constant, unyielding event. Please, Please tell me this is partly satirical, because nobody can be this naive on purpose...can they? All we are missing is "woke ideology" and "CRT" for the GOP bingo card. If you aren't willing to openly admit that the previous administration played a role in both Ukraine AND Afghanistan, you're not interested in the truth, plainly speaking. You're just propagating myths that Tucker would be proud of and would plaster on his show, sponsored by Mother Russia.
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Post by aztecmusician on Mar 24, 2022 2:28:24 GMT -8
You guys are doing it again, it reflexive with you. You can’t help yourselves.
Enough, I’m out.
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Post by aztecryan on Mar 24, 2022 7:10:25 GMT -8
You guys are doing it again, it reflexive with you. You can’t help yourselves. Enough, I’m out. It's just common sense.
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