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Post by aztecryan on Jan 13, 2021 12:30:21 GMT -8
You clearly don't get it - Either through incompetence or active involvement, Parler was complicit in the insurrection on 1/06 by NOT removing posts recruiting and planning the attack. Do you really believe that they shouldn't have been held accountable for that? Really?? On that day the topic #HangMikePence was trending on Twitter. Not only were the posts not being removed but Twitter advertised the topic on its front page as something of interest. Please explain to me why Twitter is without fault but Parler had to receive the death penalty for the exact same lack of moderation. Somehow I knew this would come up. The terrorists were chanting "Hang Mike Pence" and that's the reason why it was trending on Twitter. People were not openly advocating for the action, they were using the hashtag to describe the depravity of the psychotic.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jan 13, 2021 12:49:42 GMT -8
You clearly don't get it - Either through incompetence or active involvement, Parler was complicit in the insurrection on 1/06 by NOT removing posts recruiting and planning the attack. Do you really believe that they shouldn't have been held accountable for that? Really?? So a variety of social media services that work with one, two or all three of the tech monopolists could be included in the activity you describe, yet only one was given the death penalty with no real way to comply even if they wanted to. You connect your dots... Twitter and Facebook have a very effective and efficient moderation system to delete posts that could incite violence. Parler did not. They were held accountable for that. Period. That's on them.
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Jan 13, 2021 14:16:09 GMT -8
Twitter and Facebook have a very effective and efficient moderation system to delete posts that could incite violence. No they don't. The phrase "No justice, No peace" is literally a call to violence and it is everywhere on those platforms. Violence and planning for violence is routinely carried out on Twitter and Facebook. There were many BLM riots in 2020 and as far as I know none of them were organized on Parler. That too is not true. In reality there were messages that advocated for violence and planning for violence on Parler, Twitter, and Facebook. In the case of Facebook they didn't ban "Stop the Steal" related messaging until yesterday.
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Post by ptsdthor on Jan 13, 2021 16:24:07 GMT -8
And nearly eliminating an up and coming competitor during a time when it was getting the most downloads in the country just happens to be an happy coincidence. A competitor? LOL. What the hell? Parler had 4 million active users. Twitter has 100 times that. That's hilarious. Not a coincidence, they were complicit in inciting an insurrection. Just cause. Twitter had 4 millions users once, as did Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, Snapchat, Amazon (remember when it was just a book vendor?), etc. And with their App being number one, they were adding hundreds of thousands of new members daily or in days. And how many ways are there to monetize a social media following? Plenty, as I assume you are aware, especially with political campaign expenditures. Billions and Billions are at stake in the long run. Besides the financial motive, the Trio's political bent is undeniable. Its the Reichstag Fire Decree by proxy. ".....Thus, restrictions on.....the right of free expression of opinion....are permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed." For this subject, we are just going to have respectfully agree to disagree.
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 13, 2021 16:36:46 GMT -8
A competitor? LOL. What the hell? Parler had 4 million active users. Twitter has 100 times that. That's hilarious. Not a coincidence, they were complicit in inciting an insurrection. Just cause. Twitter had 4 millions users once, as did Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, Snapchat, Amazon (remember when it was just a book vendor?), etc. And with their App being number one, they were adding hundreds of thousands of new members daily or in days. And how many ways are there to monetize a social media following? Plenty, as I assume you are aware, especially with political campaign expenditures. Billions and Billions are at stake in the long run. Besides the financial motive, the Trio's political bent is undeniable. Its the Reichstag Fire Decree by proxy. ".....Thus, restrictions on.....the right of free expression of opinion....are permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed." For this subject, we are just going to have respectfully agree to disagree. I mean you're ignoring the obvious and you're absolutely wrong. I don't care what historical context you want to tapdance around with. There is no place for what was happening on that app. Zero.
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Post by ptsdthor on Jan 13, 2021 16:54:01 GMT -8
Twitter had 4 millions users once, as did Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, Snapchat, Amazon (remember when it was just a book vendor?), etc. And with their App being number one, they were adding hundreds of thousands of new members daily or in days. And how many ways are there to monetize a social media following? Plenty, as I assume you are aware, especially with political campaign expenditures. Billions and Billions are at stake in the long run. Besides the financial motive, the Trio's political bent is undeniable. Its the Reichstag Fire Decree by proxy. ".....Thus, restrictions on.....the right of free expression of opinion....are permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed." For this subject, we are just going to have respectfully agree to disagree. I mean you're ignoring the obvious and you're absolutely wrong. I don't care what historical context you want to tapdance around with. There is no place for what was happening on that app. Zero. But it happens/happend on YouTube, Facebook, etc., too. It just the obvious double standard. And what happened to the protection of Section 230 the Tech Monopolists claim for themselves yet deny it to Parler by Proxy as it says: “No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider.”? Hypocrites.
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 13, 2021 17:07:02 GMT -8
I mean you're ignoring the obvious and you're absolutely wrong. I don't care what historical context you want to tapdance around with. There is no place for what was happening on that app. Zero. But it happens/happend on YouTube, Facebook, etc., too. It just the obvious double standard. And what happened to the protection of Section 230 the Tech Monopolists claim for themselves yet deny it to Parler by Proxy as it says: “No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider.”? Hypocrites. Keep reading. Here, I'll help. "Section 230 protections are not limitless, requiring providers to still remove material Illegal on a federal level." Ergo, they were told to moderate their content. They refused. The end.
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Post by ptsdthor on Jan 13, 2021 17:38:30 GMT -8
But it happens/happend on YouTube, Facebook, etc., too. It just the obvious double standard. And what happened to the protection of Section 230 the Tech Monopolists claim for themselves yet deny it to Parler by Proxy as it says: “No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider.”? Hypocrites. Keep reading. Here, I'll help. "Section 230 protections are not limitless, requiring providers to still remove material Illegal on a federal level." Ergo, they were told to moderate their content. They refused. The end. Yes, that is the excuse but Parler didn't refuse. And each of the Tech Monopolists would claim the 230 protection if ever sued for absolutely missing or misjudging content that led to harm. And we know that it has occured on their sites too. It was a pretext. They acted quickly at the point when they knew they could pull it off politically (see Reichstag Fire). They offered no real recovery plan. They were out for themselves, nothing else. And, unfortunately, it is not the end. Kinda just the beginning.
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 13, 2021 17:55:04 GMT -8
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Post by ptsdthor on Jan 13, 2021 18:06:19 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 13, 2021 18:16:08 GMT -8
False. But I'm not going down this road again. You want to promote insurrection, go for it.
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Post by johneaztec on Jan 13, 2021 18:31:08 GMT -8
Twitter and Facebook have a very effective and efficient moderation system to delete posts that could incite violence. No they don't. The phrase "No justice, No peace" is literally a call to violence and it is everywhere on those platforms. Violence and planning for violence is routinely carried out on Twitter and Facebook. There were many BLM riots in 2020 and as far as I know none of them were organized on Parler. That too is not true. In reality there were messages that advocated for violence and planning for violence on Parler, Twitter, and Facebook. In the case of Facebook they didn't ban "Stop the Steal" related messaging until yesterday. Yes, they were all complicit in it. What's so hard not to understand?
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Post by uwphoto on Jan 13, 2021 18:45:53 GMT -8
Here's the bad news for Parler, right wing talking heads and organizations of anarchists. Corporate America is sick of the lies and bull$#!+ ..and quest for instability. They are gonna squeeze the life out of them..no more $$... the spigot is turned off. Trumps "brand" is over. Him and his toxic family are pariahs. Since he has no real friends, but only people he has bought..they are deserting him in droves. I personally will enjoy his suffering after what he has done to America.
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Post by ptsdthor on Jan 13, 2021 18:52:20 GMT -8
False. But I'm not going down this road again. You want to promote insurrection, go for it. True per reporting. You wan't to let tech oligarchs perform politically biased digital censorship of others (see freedom of speech) at their whim, don't go for it.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jan 13, 2021 18:55:56 GMT -8
False. But I'm not going down this road again. You want to promote insurrection, go for it. True per reporting. You wan't to let tech oligarchs perform politically biased digital censorship of others (see freedom of speech) at their whim, don't go for it. Funny thing, I've said everything I want to say on Facebook and Twitter, and have never been censored. I'm not a Democrat. I post conservative stuff a lot of the time. So where is this censorship of which you speak? Oh, yeah - you can't incite riots or insurrection. Right. Got it. Can't have THAT censored now, can we?
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Post by uwphoto on Jan 13, 2021 19:15:28 GMT -8
False. But I'm not going down this road again. You want to promote insurrection, go for it. True per reporting. You wan't to let tech oligarchs perform politically biased digital censorship of others (see freedom of speech) at their whim, don't go for it. #hangmikepence
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Post by ptsdthor on Jan 13, 2021 19:50:32 GMT -8
True per reporting. You wan't to let tech oligarchs perform politically biased digital censorship of others (see freedom of speech) at their whim, don't go for it. Funny thing, I've said everything I want to say on Facebook and Twitter, and have never been censored. I'm not a Democrat. I post conservative stuff a lot of the time. So where is this censorship of which you speak? Oh, yeah - you can't incite riots or insurrection. Right. Got it. Can't have THAT censored now, can we? 4 million users can't log in. Their thoughts and words have been made to go down the memory hole at the whim of Apple, Google and Amazon. If they can, who ultimately can't? Well, you might need a Reichstag Fire first.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jan 13, 2021 19:52:51 GMT -8
Funny thing, I've said everything I want to say on Facebook and Twitter, and have never been censored. I'm not a Democrat. I post conservative stuff a lot of the time. So where is this censorship of which you speak? Oh, yeah - you can't incite riots or insurrection. Right. Got it. Can't have THAT censored now, can we? 4 million users can't log in. Their thoughts and words have been made to go down the memory hole at the whim of Apple, Google and Amazon. If they can, who ultimately can't? Well, you might need a Reichstag Fire first. You really are posting bull$#!+ just to be a contrarian now. Parler was a clear and present danger to the country. PERIOD. Free speech only goes so far. Allowing people to use their platform to recruit and plan an insurrection that led to 5 people killed and a lot more injured is criminal. Parler did nothing to stop it. They set up rules against that stuff, but didn't enforce them with any vigor. They did less than the minimum, and that's why they're gone. PARLER = CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER.
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Post by ptsdthor on Jan 13, 2021 19:57:53 GMT -8
4 million users can't log in. Their thoughts and words have been made to go down the memory hole at the whim of Apple, Google and Amazon. If they can, who ultimately can't? Well, you might need a Reichstag Fire first. You really are posting bull$#!+ just to be a contrarian now. Parler was a clear and present danger to the country. PERIOD. Free speech only goes so far. Allowing people to use their platform to recruit and plan an insurrection that led to 5 people killed and a lot more injured is criminal. Parler did nothing to stop it. They set up rules against that stuff, but didn't enforce them with any vigor. They did less than the minimum, and that's why they're gone. PARLER = CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER. Fire was over on the 6th. Trump conceded on the 7th and asked for calm. Parler was a clear and present danger only to Twitter and the tech monopolies
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Post by sdsuball on Jan 13, 2021 20:07:14 GMT -8
You really are posting bull$#!+ just to be a contrarian now. Parler was a clear and present danger to the country. PERIOD. Free speech only goes so far. Allowing people to use their platform to recruit and plan an insurrection that led to 5 people killed and a lot more injured is criminal. Parler did nothing to stop it. They set up rules against that stuff, but didn't enforce them with any vigor. They did less than the minimum, and that's why they're gone. PARLER = CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER. Fire was over on the 6th. Trump conceded on the 7th and asked for calm. Parler was a clear and present danger only to Twitter and the tech monopolies Trump is a clear and present danger to this entire country until he is removed for office, tried for his criminal actions, and imprisoned. He constantly incites division and violence throughout our country. He apologizes with a wink and a nod after attempting to stage a coup in our capital. As far as I'm concerned, the conversation over re-instating Parler can happen after Biden is sworn into office. I've had enough of the this Trumpian Fascist bull$#!+ coming out of most Republican citizens to give a flying f x x x about "free speech" as it pertains towards insurrection and the spread of lies. You guys seriously need to critically look at the chain of events that happened leading up to the capital attack and come to grips with reality. It was insurrection.
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