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Post by aztecryan on Jan 10, 2021 17:27:04 GMT -8
Exactly my point... The racist element was PART of the group, but not a majority. I will say this - the willingness of the other groups to be at a rally with that element is beyond disappointing. It's disturbing. They tolerated the racists because they had the same goal - eliminate the obstruction Congress presented, and keep Donald Trump in office by any means necessary. That should have been a clue to them that they were in the wrong. If you're comfortable with racism....you know the rest. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jan 10, 2021 18:56:01 GMT -8
Along with this officer who was the only line of defense. The doors to the Senate chamber are right behind him. He was treated with racial slurs. He doesn't need to mention they were "white rioters." It only adds to the chaos. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 10, 2021 19:11:59 GMT -8
Along with this officer who was the only line of defense. The doors to the Senate chamber are right behind him. He was treated with racial slurs. He doesn't need to mention they were "white rioters." It only adds to the chaos. This is a pretty stupid narrative. Telling the truth? Yes, white nationalism and racism should be called out. Every. Single. Time. It's not a random journalist's job to protect the fragile egos of bigots. You were better off saying nothing here. This officer was called a n___r repeatedly by this mob of subhumans. The truth doesn't care what color your skin is. Considering the skin color of the only officer between these people and our entire legislative branch of government, it seems relevant. If that's your takewway? You should reexamine your principles. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jan 10, 2021 20:15:42 GMT -8
He doesn't need to mention they were "white rioters." It only adds to the chaos. This is a pretty stupid narrative. Telling the truth? Yes, white nationalism and racism should be called out. Every. Single. Time. It's not a random journalist's job to protect the fragile egos of bigots. You were better off saying nothing here. This officer was called a n___r repeatedly by this mob of subhumans. The truth doesn't care what color your skin is. Considering the skin color of the only officer between these people and our entire legislative branch of government, it seems relevant. If that's your takewway? You should reexamine your principles. If it makes you feel better inside to call someone stupid, then have at it. It only makes me feel sorry for you that you need this projection. I happen to have the belief, along with many others, that the less you mention race, the better. He was a very courageous man for standing up to these rioters, and deflecting their insults. There are many very obvious things in life that don't need to be pointed out, in my opinion, to save further violence or hatred, etc.... You can have your view, and I won't call you stupid for it, but I can certainly disagree. I thought you were better than that Ryan, although after thinking about it, I have seen your anger get the best of you before, as it has me. Be better. I'm trying to as well. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 10, 2021 20:27:54 GMT -8
This is a pretty stupid narrative. Telling the truth? Yes, white nationalism and racism should be called out. Every. Single. Time. It's not a random journalist's job to protect the fragile egos of bigots. You were better off saying nothing here. This officer was called a n___r repeatedly by this mob of subhumans. The truth doesn't care what color your skin is. Considering the skin color of the only officer between these people and our entire legislative branch of government, it seems relevant. If that's your takewway? You should reexamine your principles. If it makes you feel better inside to call someone stupid, then have at it. It only makes me feel sorry for you that you need this projection. I happen to have the belief, along with many others, that the less you mention race, the better. He was a very courageous man for standing up to these rioters, and deflecting their insults. There are many very obvious things in life that don't need to be pointed out, in my opinion, to save further violence or hatred, etc.... You can have your view, and I won't call you stupid for it, but I can certainly disagree. I thought you were better than that Ryan, although after thinking about it, I have seen your anger get the best of you before, as it has me. Be better. I'm trying to as well. I called the narrative stupid John, because it completely misses the point and ignores the larger picture. Racism is taught. These people who are spewing racist rhetoric are that way not because of media bias or storyline, but because it's a learned issue. People don't wake up and suddenly start dropping N-bombs. Forgive me because I'm not worried about their feelings - They deserve to be labeled and called out as such. It's the same "F*ck your feelings" mantra that the GOP paraded on early in the Trump administration. Sorry, but I don't play those games. Racism is cultivated and Black people have suffered for centuries as a result of the indignity pressed upon them. The issue you should have is with the people on the other side. Like it or not, the most present danger is white supremacy and white nationalism. I sincerely doubt the folks on Parler are going to read photo captions when they are actively discussing how to assassinate the new president or discussing the current president absolving the government through the Insurrection Act. These people are inflamed because they have been spoonfed lies for months, if not years. No delicate headline is going to change that. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jan 10, 2021 21:04:32 GMT -8
If it makes you feel better inside to call someone stupid, then have at it. It only makes me feel sorry for you that you need this projection. I happen to have the belief, along with many others, that the less you mention race, the better. He was a very courageous man for standing up to these rioters, and deflecting their insults. There are many very obvious things in life that don't need to be pointed out, in my opinion, to save further violence or hatred, etc.... You can have your view, and I won't call you stupid for it, but I can certainly disagree. I thought you were better than that Ryan, although after thinking about it, I have seen your anger get the best of you before, as it has me. Be better. I'm trying to as well. I called the narrative stupid John, because it completely misses the point and ignores the larger picture. Racism is taught. These people who are spewing racist rhetoric are that way not because of media bias or storyline, but because it's a learned issue. People don't wake up and suddenly start dropping N-bombs. Forgive me because I'm not worried about their feelings - They deserve to be labeled and called out as such. It's the same "F*ck your feelings" mantra that the GOP paraded on early in the Trump administration. Sorry, but I don't play those games. Racism is cultivated and Black people have suffered for centuries as a result of the indignity pressed upon them. The issue you should have is with the people on the other side. Like it or not, the most present danger is white supremacy and white nationalism. I sincerely doubt the folks on Parler are going to read photo captions when they are actively discussing how to assassinate the new president or discussing the current president absolving the government through the Insurrection Act. These people are inflamed because they have been spoonfed lies for months, if not years. No delicate headline is going to change that. I get that, but in his post he doesn't say that they hurled insults at him, so I don't think HE needs to mention white rioters. The officer is a courageous man who got in their way. You had mentioned that racist insults were hurled at him and that is obviously despicable. I'm only referring to what he posted. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 10, 2021 21:50:39 GMT -8
I called the narrative stupid John, because it completely misses the point and ignores the larger picture. Racism is taught. These people who are spewing racist rhetoric are that way not because of media bias or storyline, but because it's a learned issue. People don't wake up and suddenly start dropping N-bombs. Forgive me because I'm not worried about their feelings - They deserve to be labeled and called out as such. It's the same "F*ck your feelings" mantra that the GOP paraded on early in the Trump administration. Sorry, but I don't play those games. Racism is cultivated and Black people have suffered for centuries as a result of the indignity pressed upon them. The issue you should have is with the people on the other side. Like it or not, the most present danger is white supremacy and white nationalism. I sincerely doubt the folks on Parler are going to read photo captions when they are actively discussing how to assassinate the new president or discussing the current president absolving the government through the Insurrection Act. These people are inflamed because they have been spoonfed lies for months, if not years. No delicate headline is going to change that. I get that, but in his post he doesn't say that they hurled insults at him, so I don't think HE needs to mention white rioters. The officer is a courageous man who got in their way. You had mentioned that racist insults were hurled at him and that is obviously despicable. I'm only referring to what he posted. Of course he needs to mention it. Do you have any idea what is happening right now? The presidency has become a disinformation campaign and a 24/7 propaganda cycle of fallacies, mistruths and inflammatory language. The last four years have seen minorities and POC targeted ad nauseum. You're objecting to one word in a headline where it should be obvious, but it isn't. Exposing the dangers of extremism is very important for the safety of others. You have sitting members of Congress who are blaming BLM/Antifa as a means to further aggravate the rogue actors who are actually guilty of assault, murder and a plethora of other crimes. With all due respect, you are focusing on the absolute wrong element of this story. Were you as upset during the summer when the narrative was reversed and it was vilifying Black people? |
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Post by johneaztec on Jan 10, 2021 22:48:15 GMT -8
I get that, but in his post he doesn't say that they hurled insults at him, so I don't think HE needs to mention white rioters. The officer is a courageous man who got in their way. You had mentioned that racist insults were hurled at him and that is obviously despicable. I'm only referring to what he posted. Of course he needs to mention it. Do you have any idea what is happening right now? The presidency has become a disinformation campaign and a 24/7 propaganda cycle of fallacies, mistruths and inflammatory language. The last four years have seen minorities and POC targeted ad nauseum. You're objecting to one word in a headline where it should be obvious, but it isn't. Exposing the dangers of extremism is very important for the safety of others. You have sitting members of Congress who are blaming BLM/Antifa as a means to further aggravate the rogue actors who are actually guilty of assault, murder and a plethora of other crimes. With all due respect, you are focusing on the absolute wrong element of this story. Were you as upset during the summer when the narrative was reversed and it was vilifying Black people? Absolutely. Any time I see someone mention race when I feel it's unneeded, I speak out. I feel no matter the situation, if race doesn't need to be singled out, you don't do it. They were trying to get into the doors behind him and he courageously stopped them. They weren't chasing him, or targeting him, because he's black. I've mentioned it before, but my best friend, who is more like a brother to me, is black and he HATES it when race is brought up needlessly. We have that in common amongst many other things. You say I'm objecting to one word in a headline, but it's a very powerful word/statement. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 11, 2021 9:52:17 GMT -8
Of course he needs to mention it. Do you have any idea what is happening right now? The presidency has become a disinformation campaign and a 24/7 propaganda cycle of fallacies, mistruths and inflammatory language. The last four years have seen minorities and POC targeted ad nauseum. You're objecting to one word in a headline where it should be obvious, but it isn't. Exposing the dangers of extremism is very important for the safety of others. You have sitting members of Congress who are blaming BLM/Antifa as a means to further aggravate the rogue actors who are actually guilty of assault, murder and a plethora of other crimes. With all due respect, you are focusing on the absolute wrong element of this story. Were you as upset during the summer when the narrative was reversed and it was vilifying Black people? Absolutely. Any time I see someone mention race when I feel it's unneeded, I speak out. I feel no matter the situation, if race doesn't need to be singled out, you don't do it. They were trying to get into the doors behind him and he courageously stopped them. They weren't chasing him, or targeting him, because he's black. I've mentioned it before, but my best friend, who is more like a brother to me, is black and he HATES it when race is brought up needlessly. We have that in common amongst many other things. You say I'm objecting to one word in a headline, but it's a very powerful word/statement. It's also the truth. Which is the only thing that always matters. You don't seem to understand the ramifications here of the parties involved. And it's again distracting from what's actually important. |
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Post by ptsdthor on Jan 11, 2021 10:39:21 GMT -8
 Picture of Amazon, Apple and Google execs about to torch Parler servers. Raise your hand if digital book burning is your new normal. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 11, 2021 10:46:31 GMT -8
Picture of Amazon, Apple and Google execs about to torch Parler servers. Raise your hand if digital book burning is your new normal. So you're a Parler user? Good to know. You still don't get how the First Amendment works. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jan 11, 2021 11:08:53 GMT -8
Picture of Amazon, Apple and Google execs about to torch Parler servers. Raise your hand if digital book burning is your new normal. I am SHOCKED that an American company would sever ties with a platform that was used to plan and carry out an insurrection against the legally elected government! SHOCKED I SAY!!!! I mean, sure. it's REALLY bad optics to support such a platform, and SURE, it's really bad business to allow that platform to use your servers, etc, to remain open and allow for further use for insurrection attempts, but it is SHOCKING that something like this could happen. I'm just speechless. |
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Post by ptsdthor on Jan 11, 2021 14:46:48 GMT -8
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jan 11, 2021 15:13:46 GMT -8
You do understand free speech is not being abridged here. The government is not saying people can't post online, but private companies are deciding that they don't want to be associated with people who engage in armed insurrection. Funny how that works. |
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Post by ptsdthor on Jan 11, 2021 15:29:22 GMT -8
You do understand free speech is not being abridged here. The government is not saying people can't post online, but private companies are deciding that they don't want to be associated with people who engage in armed insurrection. Funny how that works. You do understand the rule of law, don't you? No one is guilty until proven so in a court of law. Another freedom lost it seems. Tech Overlords make the call on Parler and others strictly on optics and political preference. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jan 11, 2021 15:40:28 GMT -8
You do understand free speech is not being abridged here. The government is not saying people can't post online, but private companies are deciding that they don't want to be associated with people who engage in armed insurrection. Funny how that works. You do understand the rule of law, don't you? No one is guilty until proven so in a court of law. Another freedom lost it seems. Tech Overlords make the call on Parler and others strictly on optics and political preference. You do understand that freedom of speech can ONLY be abridged by the government, don't you? Private businesses can choose to NOT be associated with companies and people who have been seen on video committing acts of insurrection and that is not declaring anyone guilty or a freedom lost. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 11, 2021 15:42:51 GMT -8
You do understand the rule of law, don't you? No one is guilty until proven so in a court of law. Another freedom lost it seems. Tech Overlords make the call on Parler and others strictly on optics and political preference. You do understand that freedom of speech can ONLY be abridged by the government, don't you? Private businesses can choose to NOT be associated with companies and people who have been seen on video committing acts of insurrection and that is not declaring anyone guilty or a freedom lost. He doesn't. It's the same bizarre "We are turning into China" diatribe. Regarding Parler, they were told to moderate their violent content. They refused. They were then deplatformed. It's literally that simple. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 11, 2021 15:44:49 GMT -8
You do understand free speech is not being abridged here. The government is not saying people can't post online, but private companies are deciding that they don't want to be associated with people who engage in armed insurrection. Funny how that works. You do understand the rule of law, don't you? No one is guilty until proven so in a court of law. Another freedom lost it seems. Tech Overlords make the call on Parler and others strictly on optics and political preference. This is pure nonsense and the ideas are not remotely similar. It's once again private entities that are taking action, as they are allowed to do. What do you not grasp about this simple concept? |
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Post by ptsdthor on Jan 11, 2021 15:50:48 GMT -8
You do understand the rule of law, don't you? No one is guilty until proven so in a court of law. Another freedom lost it seems. Tech Overlords make the call on Parler and others strictly on optics and political preference. You do understand that freedom of speech can ONLY be abridged by the government, don't you? Private businesses can choose to NOT be associated with companies and people who have been seen on video committing acts of insurrection and that is not declaring anyone guilty or a freedom lost. Wasn't looking to prosecute them. I am showing what a world living under the control of progressive totalitarians looks like. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jan 11, 2021 16:01:04 GMT -8
You do understand that freedom of speech can ONLY be abridged by the government, don't you? Private businesses can choose to NOT be associated with companies and people who have been seen on video committing acts of insurrection and that is not declaring anyone guilty or a freedom lost. Wasn't looking to prosecute them. I am showing what a world living under the control of progressive totalitarians looks like. You do understand that it has already been shown that the traitorous insurrectionists (AKA Trumpublicans) used Parler (among other sites) to coordinate the attack on the 6th, and have been coordinating future attacks as well. Maybe if they tried using it less for insurrection recruiting and planning, and more for actual, you know, posting of ideas they'd still be around. Funny how allowing your platform to be used for an attempted insurrection turns people off... |
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