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Post by ptsdthor on Jan 10, 2021 10:21:27 GMT -8
Protests in 48 major cities, including DC, with many deaths, countless injured, hundreds of millions in business losses, many thousands with lives ruined and the NFL is giving 25 million a year to the protest organizers, for example. One protest with conservatives in attendance that gets away and SF Tech is denying their access to free speech. If only that is where this ends but we both know better. The unfairness is not lost on anybody but the true believer with TDS. "One protest that gets away" is a pathetically bad spin and tells you all you need to know. Free speech on PRIVATE PLATFORMS does not allow for death threats or incitement of violence. The First Amendment protects you from GOVERNMENT interference. The only thing unfair here is how out of your mind you actually are to conflate two ideas that don't have any equivalence. A) BLM was not responsible for the entirety of the damages during the Floyd protests, nor was it responsible for all of the 19 confirmed deaths. Umbrella statements don't work without actual proof. B) What the NFL is giving is irrelevant - Hundreds of demonstrations took place without incident where people just went home. I know, I was there in a few of them. C) The desperation to try and equate an attack by radicals at the urging of the president that has immeasurable political consequences and the capability to interrupt the presidential line of succcession with social and racial inequality is disingenuous at best, ignorant at worst. "BLM was not responsible". But Trump is?Apparently, for some, the meaning of "urging" has conditional meaning depending on one's political persuasion (see true believer). Trump will not be President come January 20th, so the "sky is falling" you lament is self induced. Democrats contested the electors in recent elections and you know it. Who are you to say what is or is not of a concern to people? Taking away one's freedoms of speech by commercial companies would be like the phone company denying someone a telephone based on their political beliefs. Are you saying we can discriminate based on political beliefs? Having people say vile things about Trump (including hoping for his death when he had Covid) were rife on social media platforms and all those platforms are doing just fine. Its "My anarchy good & your anarchy bad". Besides being a stupid position, it is hipocracy plain and simple. Both are bad and the innocent should not be punished for either. |
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Post by uwphoto on Jan 10, 2021 10:43:25 GMT -8
"One protest that gets away" is a pathetically bad spin and tells you all you need to know. Free speech on PRIVATE PLATFORMS does not allow for death threats or incitement of violence. The First Amendment protects you from GOVERNMENT interference. The only thing unfair here is how out of your mind you actually are to conflate two ideas that don't have any equivalence. A) BLM was not responsible for the entirety of the damages during the Floyd protests, nor was it responsible for all of the 19 confirmed deaths. Umbrella statements don't work without actual proof. B) What the NFL is giving is irrelevant - Hundreds of demonstrations took place without incident where people just went home. I know, I was there in a few of them. C) The desperation to try and equate an attack by radicals at the urging of the president that has immeasurable political consequences and the capability to interrupt the presidential line of succcession with social and racial inequality is disingenuous at best, ignorant at worst. "BLM was not responsible". But Trump is?Apparently, for some, the meaning of "urging" has conditional meaning depending on one's political persuasion (see true believer). Trump will not be President come January 20th, so the "sky is falling" you lament is self induced. Democrats contested the electors in recent elections and you know it. Who are you to say what is or is not of a concern to people? Taking away one's freedoms of speech by commercial companies would be like the phone company denying someone a telephone based on their political beliefs. Are you saying we can discriminate based on political beliefs? Having people say vile things about Trump (including hoping for his death when he had Covid) were rife on social media platforms and all those platforms are doing just fine. Its "My anarchy good & your anarchy bad". Besides being a stupid position, it is hipocracy plain and simple. Both are bad and the innocent should not be punished for either. wow, saying vile things about trump..who would say that! #hangmikepence |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 10, 2021 10:44:29 GMT -8
"One protest that gets away" is a pathetically bad spin and tells you all you need to know. Free speech on PRIVATE PLATFORMS does not allow for death threats or incitement of violence. The First Amendment protects you from GOVERNMENT interference. The only thing unfair here is how out of your mind you actually are to conflate two ideas that don't have any equivalence. A) BLM was not responsible for the entirety of the damages during the Floyd protests, nor was it responsible for all of the 19 confirmed deaths. Umbrella statements don't work without actual proof. B) What the NFL is giving is irrelevant - Hundreds of demonstrations took place without incident where people just went home. I know, I was there in a few of them. C) The desperation to try and equate an attack by radicals at the urging of the president that has immeasurable political consequences and the capability to interrupt the presidential line of succcession with social and racial inequality is disingenuous at best, ignorant at worst. "BLM was not responsible". But Trump is?Apparently, for some, the meaning of "urging" has conditional meaning depending on one's political persuasion (see true believer). Trump will not be President come January 20th, so the "sky is falling" you lament is self induced. Democrats contested the electors in recent elections and you know it. Who are you to say what is or is not of a concern to people? Taking away one's freedoms of speech by commercial companies would be like the phone company denying someone a telephone based on their political beliefs. Are you saying we can discriminate based on political beliefs? Having people say vile things about Trump (including hoping for his death when he had Covid) were rife on social media platforms and all those platforms are doing just fine. Its "My anarchy good & your anarchy bad". Besides being a stupid position, it is hipocracy plain and simple. Both are bad and the innocent should not be punished for either. It took all of one sentence for you to be out of your depth. Uh, yes, the president is responsible. He urged the terrorists to "go to the Capitol." What on Earth did you think was going to happen? They weren't going to sit there and peacefully hold up signs. These are known commodities. Stop being intentionally dense. You think this ends on January 20th? Ha. Based on what? You think these people are going to just give up and go home? Their own admissions say otherwise, advocating for the deaths of journalists and reporters, threatening the police that there "isn't enough force to stop us." They beat a police officer to death with a fire extinguisher. They dragged another officer out of a window and beat him, too. This doesn't end in 10 days. There is a substantial difference between contesting an election through proper channels with actual intelligence confirming Russian interference and what the Trump campaign engaged in. Dozens of lawsuits, frivolous and unsubstantiated claims while the president himself propped up a false argument to rile up his unstable base of white nationalists and extremists. His cult followers actively believe this election was stolen from him based on absolute lies and political subterfuge. Your phone example is one of the dumbest things I have ever read. It has no bearing in reality. Nobody is taking away your freedom of speech. You cannot wantonly and openly violate the contract you sign when you agree to be a member on a private platform. They have a terms of service that you have to abide by, or guess what, there are consequences. (Duh?) Nobody innocent is being punished, either. Wishing death upon someone (while cruel) is not the same as inciting civil or political unrest, or endangering ordinary citizens like poll workers who became targets thanks to the president. I don't have the power to wish death and have it come to fruition through my computer screen. But guiding an insurrection? Yeah, that's doable. This is common sense type stuff. I don't get why it has to be explained over and over. Exchange ideas, have conversations, share opinions. Conspire to overthrow the government and assassinate the vice president? Not okay. |
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Post by uwphoto on Jan 10, 2021 10:56:19 GMT -8
"BLM was not responsible". But Trump is?Apparently, for some, the meaning of "urging" has conditional meaning depending on one's political persuasion (see true believer). Trump will not be President come January 20th, so the "sky is falling" you lament is self induced. Democrats contested the electors in recent elections and you know it. Who are you to say what is or is not of a concern to people? Taking away one's freedoms of speech by commercial companies would be like the phone company denying someone a telephone based on their political beliefs. Are you saying we can discriminate based on political beliefs? Having people say vile things about Trump (including hoping for his death when he had Covid) were rife on social media platforms and all those platforms are doing just fine. Its "My anarchy good & your anarchy bad". Besides being a stupid position, it is hipocracy plain and simple. Both are bad and the innocent should not be punished for either. It took all of one sentence for you to be out of your depth. Uh, yes, the president is responsible. He urged the terrorists to "go to the Capitol." What on Earth did you think was going to happen? They weren't going to sit there and peacefully hold up signs. These are known commodities. Stop being intentionally dense. You think this ends on January 20th? Ha. Based on what? You think these people are going to just give up and go home? Their own admissions say otherwise, advocating for the deaths of journalists and reporters, threatening the police that there "isn't enough force to stop us." They beat a police officer to death with a fire extinguisher. They dragged another officer out of a window and beat him, too. This doesn't end in 10 days. There is a substantial difference between contesting an election through proper channels with actual intelligence confirming Russian interference and what the Trump campaign engaged in. Dozens of lawsuits, frivolous and unsubstantiated claims while the president himself propped up a false argument to rile up his unstable base of white nationalists and extremists. His cult followers actively believe this election was stolen from him based on absolute lies and political subterfuge. Your phone example is one of the dumbest things I have ever read. It has no bearing in reality. Nobody is taking away your freedom of speech. You cannot wantonly and openly violate the contract you sign when you agree to be a member on a private platform. They have a terms of service that you have to abide by, or guess what, there are consequences. (Duh?) Nobody innocent is being punished, either. Wishing death upon someone (while cruel) is not the same as inciting civil or political unrest, or endangering ordinary citizens like poll workers who became targets thanks to the president. I don't have the power to wish death and have it come to fruition through my computer screen. But guiding an insurrection? Yeah, that's doable. This is common sense type stuff. I don't get why it has to be explained over and over. Exchange ideas, have conversations, share opinions. Conspire to overthrow the government and assassinate the vice president? Not okay. me thinks we may be dealing with QAnon here...it is becoming more apparent. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jan 10, 2021 11:34:06 GMT -8
It is disturbing that some people are rationalizing and excusing what the President did.
HE TRIED TO OVERTURN AN ELECTION BY FORCE!
There is absolutely NO coincidence that Capitol Security was absurdly light on a day where ALL of Congress, the ENTIRE Senate, AND the VP were in the same place at the same time, certifying the election win by Joe Biden. Add to that the fact that tens of thousands of Trump loyalists showed up to, "Protest," in a, "Rally," that Trump said weeks in advance would, "Be wild." Many of those people showed up armed, in full tactical gear, as per instructions on far right sites like Parler (and other lesser known platforms). These people were recruited to commit acts of violence. There is an electronic trail showing this. It isn't debatable.
And then, to top it all off, Trump refused to send in the National Guard (who should have been deployed in advance, but, amazingly, weren't). That is an active attempt to aid and abet the coup attempt. It may be the most damning piece of evidence there is! He was in on it - otherwise he would have had the National Guard there.
Instead, VP Pence had to call them in after Trump refused to do so for two hours!
Trump is guilty of Treason, Sedition, incitement to Insurrection, among other crimes.
This ISN'T about politics. This ISN'T about party. This is about right and wrong and crossing the line in acts that are the highest crimes possible against this country.
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 10, 2021 11:58:53 GMT -8
It is disturbing that some people are rationalizing and excusing what the President did. HE TRIED TO OVERTURN AN ELECTION BY FORCE! There is absolutely NO coincidence that Capitol Security was absurdly light on a day where ALL of Congress, the ENTIRE Senate, AND the VP were in the same place at the same time, certifying the election win by Joe Biden. Add to that the fact that tens of thousands of Trump loyalists showed up to, "Protest," in a, "Rally," that Trump said weeks in advance would, "Be wild." Many of those people showed up armed, in full tactical gear, as per instructions on far right sites like Parler (and other lesser known platforms). These people were recruited to commit acts of violence. There is an electronic trail showing this. It isn't debatable. And then, to top it all off, Trump refused to send in the National Guard (who should have been deployed in advance, but, amazingly, weren't). That is an active attempt to aid and abet the coup attempt. It may be the most damning piece of evidence there is! He was in on it - otherwise he would have had the National Guard there. Instead, VP Pence had to call them in after Trump refused to do so for two hours! Trump is guilty of Treason, Sedition, incitement to Insurrection, among other crimes. This ISN'T about politics. This ISN'T about party. This is about right and wrong and crossing the line in acts that are the highest crimes possible against this country. And yet we have people trying to equate social inequality and systemic racism for police officers killing Black citizens because buildings were damaged and somehow it's on the same level. Lauren Boebert was actively tweeting the whereabouts of Nancy Pelosi during the insurrection. A member of Congress. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 10, 2021 12:05:24 GMT -8
This is how close they came to potentially having dozens of hostages.
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 10, 2021 12:08:36 GMT -8
Along with this officer who was the only line of defense. The doors to the Senate chamber are right behind him. He was treated with racial slurs.
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Post by ptsdthor on Jan 10, 2021 13:54:18 GMT -8
"BLM was not responsible". But Trump is?Apparently, for some, the meaning of "urging" has conditional meaning depending on one's political persuasion (see true believer). Trump will not be President come January 20th, so the "sky is falling" you lament is self induced. Democrats contested the electors in recent elections and you know it. Who are you to say what is or is not of a concern to people? Taking away one's freedoms of speech by commercial companies would be like the phone company denying someone a telephone based on their political beliefs. Are you saying we can discriminate based on political beliefs? Having people say vile things about Trump (including hoping for his death when he had Covid) were rife on social media platforms and all those platforms are doing just fine. Its "My anarchy good & your anarchy bad". Besides being a stupid position, it is hipocracy plain and simple. Both are bad and the innocent should not be punished for either. It took all of one sentence for you to be out of your depth. Uh, yes, the president is responsible. He urged the terrorists to "go to the Capitol." What on Earth did you think was going to happen? They weren't going to sit there and peacefully hold up signs. These are known commodities. Stop being intentionally dense. You think this ends on January 20th? Ha. Based on what? You think these people are going to just give up and go home? Their own admissions say otherwise, advocating for the deaths of journalists and reporters, threatening the police that there "isn't enough force to stop us." They beat a police officer to death with a fire extinguisher. They dragged another officer out of a window and beat him, too. This doesn't end in 10 days. There is a substantial difference between contesting an election through proper channels with actual intelligence confirming Russian interference and what the Trump campaign engaged in. Dozens of lawsuits, frivolous and unsubstantiated claims while the president himself propped up a false argument to rile up his unstable base of white nationalists and extremists. His cult followers actively believe this election was stolen from him based on absolute lies and political subterfuge. Your phone example is one of the dumbest things I have ever read. It has no bearing in reality. Nobody is taking away your freedom of speech. You cannot wantonly and openly violate the contract you sign when you agree to be a member on a private platform. They have a terms of service that you have to abide by, or guess what, there are consequences. (Duh?) Nobody innocent is being punished, either. Wishing death upon someone (while cruel) is not the same as inciting civil or political unrest, or endangering ordinary citizens like poll workers who became targets thanks to the president. I don't have the power to wish death and have it come to fruition through my computer screen. But guiding an insurrection? Yeah, that's doable. This is common sense type stuff. I don't get why it has to be explained over and over. Exchange ideas, have conversations, share opinions. Conspire to overthrow the government and assassinate the vice president? Not okay. Simply justifying the left's Reichstag Fire like outrage. Fear of the insurrectionist boogie man is here to stay. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 10, 2021 14:40:30 GMT -8
It took all of one sentence for you to be out of your depth. Uh, yes, the president is responsible. He urged the terrorists to "go to the Capitol." What on Earth did you think was going to happen? They weren't going to sit there and peacefully hold up signs. These are known commodities. Stop being intentionally dense. You think this ends on January 20th? Ha. Based on what? You think these people are going to just give up and go home? Their own admissions say otherwise, advocating for the deaths of journalists and reporters, threatening the police that there "isn't enough force to stop us." They beat a police officer to death with a fire extinguisher. They dragged another officer out of a window and beat him, too. This doesn't end in 10 days. There is a substantial difference between contesting an election through proper channels with actual intelligence confirming Russian interference and what the Trump campaign engaged in. Dozens of lawsuits, frivolous and unsubstantiated claims while the president himself propped up a false argument to rile up his unstable base of white nationalists and extremists. His cult followers actively believe this election was stolen from him based on absolute lies and political subterfuge. Your phone example is one of the dumbest things I have ever read. It has no bearing in reality. Nobody is taking away your freedom of speech. You cannot wantonly and openly violate the contract you sign when you agree to be a member on a private platform. They have a terms of service that you have to abide by, or guess what, there are consequences. (Duh?) Nobody innocent is being punished, either. Wishing death upon someone (while cruel) is not the same as inciting civil or political unrest, or endangering ordinary citizens like poll workers who became targets thanks to the president. I don't have the power to wish death and have it come to fruition through my computer screen. But guiding an insurrection? Yeah, that's doable. This is common sense type stuff. I don't get why it has to be explained over and over. Exchange ideas, have conversations, share opinions. Conspire to overthrow the government and assassinate the vice president? Not okay. Simply justifying the left's Reichstag Fire like outrage. Fear of the insurrectionist boogie man is here to stay. This has nothing to do with any directions. What fear? It happened. Are you in a coma? |
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Post by uwphoto on Jan 10, 2021 15:21:51 GMT -8
Simply justifying the left's Reichstag Fire like outrage. Fear of the insurrectionist boogie man is here to stay. This has nothing to do with any directions. What fear? It happened. Are you in a coma? Come on man. This dude will have a party when they get pardoned. He's a lost cause...down the rabbit hole. |
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Post by ptsdthor on Jan 10, 2021 15:44:41 GMT -8
Simply justifying the left's Reichstag Fire like outrage. Fear of the insurrectionist boogie man is here to stay. This has nothing to do with any directions. What fear? It happened. Are you in a coma? Pelosi characterized the rioters as choosing "whiteness". Imagine if Trump said riots in the 48 cities were where people chose "blackness"? Now that is fair, isn't it? And this is from your 2nd most powerful person in the Democrat party and the free world. Vilification of anyone against the single party rule will be targeted by Gov power, MSM, SF Tech and lame brained true belivers from now on. Its just too much for them to not take advantage of "Reichstag Fire" and continue past the "divide" and go into the conquer and consolidate as was done before. SF Tech has absolutely has no fear to discriminate against anyone or any company if they differ in political outlook. They would only do that with progressive totalitarian control at their back. Might as well have a daily 2 Minute Hate for the true believers. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 10, 2021 15:49:28 GMT -8
This has nothing to do with any directions. What fear? It happened. Are you in a coma? Pelosi characterized the rioters as choosing "whiteness". Imagine if Trump said riots in the 48 cities were where people chose "blackness"? Now that is fair, isn't it? And this is from your 2nd most powerful person in the Democrat party and the free world. Vilification of anyone against the single party rule will be targeted by Gov power, MSM, SF Tech and lame brained true belivers from now on. Its just too much for them to not take advantage of "Reichstag Fire" and continue past the "divide" and go into the conquer and consolidate as was done before. SF Tech has absolutely has no fear to discriminate against anyone or any company if they differ in political outlook. They would only do that with progressive totalitarian control at their back. Might as well have a daily 2 Minute Hate for the true believers. Considering there were a TON of white supremacists there and multiple outlets caught racial slurs all over the place, she's pretty accurate in her assessment. |
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Post by ptsdthor on Jan 10, 2021 15:58:32 GMT -8
Pelosi characterized the rioters as choosing "whiteness". Imagine if Trump said riots in the 48 cities were where people chose "blackness"? Now that is fair, isn't it? And this is from your 2nd most powerful person in the Democrat party and the free world. Vilification of anyone against the single party rule will be targeted by Gov power, MSM, SF Tech and lame brained true belivers from now on. Its just too much for them to not take advantage of "Reichstag Fire" and continue past the "divide" and go into the conquer and consolidate as was done before. SF Tech has absolutely has no fear to discriminate against anyone or any company if they differ in political outlook. They would only do that with progressive totalitarian control at their back. Might as well have a daily 2 Minute Hate for the true believers. Considering there were a TON of white supremacists there and multiple outlets caught racial slurs all over the place, she's pretty accurate in her assessment. See. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 10, 2021 16:30:44 GMT -8
Considering there were a TON of white supremacists there and multiple outlets caught racial slurs all over the place, she's pretty accurate in her assessment. See. See what? Have white people been oppressed for hundreds of years? Have white people been the target of lynchings, mob rule and cultivated violence? Your point is nonsensical and stupid. Considering there were plenty of white people at peaceful BLM demonsttations, that wouldn't make sense. The BLM movement isn't about blackness, it's about social injustice for the murder of Black individuals. You're clutching at straws with this idiocy. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jan 10, 2021 17:03:17 GMT -8
Considering there were a TON of white supremacists there and multiple outlets caught racial slurs all over the place, she's pretty accurate in her assessment. See. So there are now reports that a lot of the insurrectionists were shouting N Bombs at black security people. That is ugly racism there. It's is reprehensible. Race was brought into this thing by THEM. And a number of them were wearing white supremist t-shirts and carry the flags of various white supremist groups. This attack did have part of it's roots in racism. Not all of it, to be sure, but it was a factor. I hate to agree in any way with anything Nancy Pelosi says, but she's not completely off base with that comment. (It may be hyperbole, it may be an exaggeration, but there is some truth to what she said.) |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 10, 2021 17:07:05 GMT -8
So there are now reports that a lot of the insurrectionists were shouting N Bombs at black security people. That is ugly racism there. It's is reprehensible. Race was brought into this thing by THEM. And a number of them were wearing white supremist t-shirts and carry the flags of various white supremist groups. This attack did have part of it's roots in racism. Not all of it, to be sure, but it was a factor. I hate to agree in any way with anything Nancy Pelosi says, but she's not completely off base with that comment. (It may be hyperbole, it may be an exaggeration, but there is some truth to what she said.) There's no hyperbole, there was a guy wearing a Camp Auschwitz sweatshirt that underneath said "Work brings freedom." He's been identifed (shockingly) as a Neo-Nazi with a lengthy history of run-ins with the law. Pelosi's statement might not be PC, but it's absolutely accurate. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jan 10, 2021 17:12:00 GMT -8
So there are now reports that a lot of the insurrectionists were shouting N Bombs at black security people. That is ugly racism there. It's is reprehensible. Race was brought into this thing by THEM. And a number of them were wearing white supremist t-shirts and carry the flags of various white supremist groups. This attack did have part of it's roots in racism. Not all of it, to be sure, but it was a factor. I hate to agree in any way with anything Nancy Pelosi says, but she's not completely off base with that comment. (It may be hyperbole, it may be an exaggeration, but there is some truth to what she said.) There's no hyperbole, there was a guy wearing a Camp Auschwitz sweatshirt that underneath said "Work brings freedom." He's been identifed (shockingly) as a Neo-Nazi with a lengthy history of run-ins with the law. Pelosi's statement might not be PC, but it's absolutely accurate. I'm only saying it's hyperbole and exaggeration because that applies only to some of the people there, likely a small minority. For THEM it is 100% true. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 10, 2021 17:13:56 GMT -8
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jan 10, 2021 17:17:17 GMT -8
Exactly my point... The racist element was PART of the group, but not a majority. I will say this - the willingness of the other groups to be at a rally with that element is beyond disappointing. It's disturbing. They tolerated the racists because they had the same goal - eliminate the obstruction Congress presented, and keep Donald Trump in office by any means necessary. That should have been a clue to them that they were in the wrong. |
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