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Post by AztecWilliam on Dec 12, 2020 9:51:35 GMT -8
By now, I would think that the vast majority of Americans are aware of the dangers of Covid-19. Also, I would think think that Americans know what they can do to reduce their chances of contracting the virus. That being said, I am wondering why we have seen in the recent increase in cases.
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 12, 2020 22:50:26 GMT -8
By now, I would think that the vast majority of Americans are aware of the dangers of Covid-19. Also, I would think think that Americans know what they can do to reduce their chances of contracting the virus. That being said, I am wondering why we have seen in the recent increase in cases. AzWm This isn't a hard puzzle to figure out. We live in a me-first, selfish culture. Mask compliance is sporadic, unintelligent and disjointed. People are unwilling to sacrifice their personal "freedoms" and their "rights" to get through the worst of it. Leadership at every level has been poor, resulting in mixed messaging and politicization of safeguards. The liberal side has been seen as having too much overreach, the conservative side has been seen as conspiracy theorist, willful endangerment of the public and refusing to endorse simple safety mwasures. We lost the battle that Japan, South Korea and numerous other countries won, so now we get to suffer the consequences. It's going to be worse in the coming months, before vaccine compliance fully kicks in. We're going to lose 2,500+ people daily for a while. |
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Post by tuff on Dec 14, 2020 19:26:17 GMT -8
Herd immunity is the way to get over this. Along with the vaccines. Thank you mr president for operation warp speed.
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 14, 2020 22:44:01 GMT -8
Herd immunity is the way to get over this. Along with the vaccines. Thank you mr president for operation warp speed. Herd immunuity without vaccine prevalance is not a strategy. In order to achieve herd immunity in this country, you'd be looking at millions of deaths, a staggering number. The vaccines will help, but this is something that is going to be endemic for years to come. And yes, thanks to Pfizer and Moderna for their contributions. We are still months away from normalcy. |
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Post by tuff on Dec 15, 2020 18:39:30 GMT -8
No. Give the vaccine to the most vulnerable and everyone up to age 60 get back to work. The lockdowns have been a disaster. I’m finally seeing tenants resisting and staying open which I’d fine with me. If the big box stores, supermarkets, and other big Corp, and govt. employees. can stay open, so should small business. My mother in law (who is 95) got the virus, sat in quarantine, and had a party after 14 days quarantine in the nursing home. I want to see exactly who has died, how old were they and what were their health problems before they got the virus. It’s not that people are dying from COVID, but because of COVID.
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 16, 2020 10:38:41 GMT -8
No. Give the vaccine to the most vulnerable and everyone up to age 60 get back to work. The lockdowns have been a disaster. I’m finally seeing tenants resisting and staying open which I’d fine with me. If the big box stores, supermarkets, and other big Corp, and govt. employees. can stay open, so should small business. My mother in law (who is 95) got the virus, sat in quarantine, and had a party after 14 days quarantine in the nursing home. I want to see exactly who has died, how old were they and what were their health problems before they got the virus. It’s not that people are dying from COVID, but because of COVID. This is illogical and dense. Deaths (immediate) are just one piece of the puzzle. You, yourself, are part of the problem with this spreading of ignorance. The reality is we still have limited data on the long-term impacts of the virus. Confirmed cardiovascular, neurological and respiratory involvement. Myocarditis, mental illness, strokes, seizures, organ failure, paralysis, amputations....yeah, not good, right? I'm glad your one example is fine, for what it's worth. This virus attacks people in different ways and permanently alters lives. Your analysis is flawed and faulty. I have a pre-existing condition, does that mean I deserve to die? You do realize that nearly half of all Americans have some form of underlying condition? Just because they don't die after contracting COVID doesn't mean they magically return to 100% health. |
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Post by tuff on Dec 18, 2020 18:34:56 GMT -8
No. Give the vaccine to the most vulnerable and everyone up to age 60 get back to work. The lockdowns have been a disaster. I’m finally seeing tenants resisting and staying open which I’d fine with me. If the big box stores, supermarkets, and other big Corp, and govt. employees. can stay open, so should small business. My mother in law (who is 95) got the virus, sat in quarantine, and had a party after 14 days quarantine in the nursing home. I want to see exactly who has died, how old were they and what were their health problems before they got the virus. It’s not that people are dying from COVID, but because of COVID. This is illogical and dense. Deaths (immediate) are just one piece of the puzzle. You, yourself, are part of the problem with this spreading of ignorance. The reality is we still have limited data on the long-term impacts of the virus. Confirmed cardiovascular, neurological and respiratory involvement. Myocarditis, mental illness, strokes, seizures, organ failure, paralysis, amputations....yeah, not good, right? I'm glad your one example is fine, for what it's worth. This virus attacks people in different ways and permanently alters lives. Your analysis is flawed and faulty. I have a pre-existing condition, does that mean I deserve to die? You do realize that nearly half of all Americans have some form of underlying condition? Just because they don't die after contracting COVID doesn't mean they magically return to 100% health. Thank you for your insight doctor.but COVID is not going away, just like cancer and diabetes and others. But we do have a vaccine or two to curb the symptoms. Patients 70 and above have a 95% survival rate according to the CDC. It goes up to 99.9 % as the age comes down. That’s damn good. This ain’t the Black Plague. As long as we are careful and protect the most vulnerable we should be fine. But the media et al have pushed all this fear, and they are doing it on purpose. And that is criminal IMO. You keep talking about death, and it is true. But when this thing started they said 3to 3.5 million deaths. Not even close today. I personally don’t believe the death numbers as they pertain to deaths from COVID, but how many deaths because of COVID where patients couldn’t get their medical procedures because hospitals wouldn’t take them. I just don’t trust the numbers. I gave an example of my mother in law, but I also have two cousins in Texas and two neighbors over 68that got it. One had bad health, but he and the rest all recovered and all said they had really bad colds. So who do we believe? My own doctor I saw last week doesn’t even wear a mask. So who do we believe? |
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 18, 2020 19:01:07 GMT -8
This is illogical and dense. Deaths (immediate) are just one piece of the puzzle. You, yourself, are part of the problem with this spreading of ignorance. The reality is we still have limited data on the long-term impacts of the virus. Confirmed cardiovascular, neurological and respiratory involvement. Myocarditis, mental illness, strokes, seizures, organ failure, paralysis, amputations....yeah, not good, right? I'm glad your one example is fine, for what it's worth. This virus attacks people in different ways and permanently alters lives. Your analysis is flawed and faulty. I have a pre-existing condition, does that mean I deserve to die? You do realize that nearly half of all Americans have some form of underlying condition? Just because they don't die after contracting COVID doesn't mean they magically return to 100% health. Thank you for your insight doctor.but COVID is not going away, just like cancer and diabetes and others. But we do have a vaccine or two to curb the symptoms. Patients 70 and above have a 95% survival rate according to the CDC. It goes up to 99.9 % as the age comes down. That’s damn good. This ain’t the Black Plague. As long as we are careful and protect the most vulnerable we should be fine. But the media et al have pushed all this fear, and they are doing it on purpose. And that is criminal IMO. You keep talking about death, and it is true. But when this thing started they said 3to 3.5 million deaths. Not even close today. I personally don’t believe the death numbers as they pertain to deaths from COVID, but how many deaths because of COVID where patients couldn’t get their medical procedures because hospitals wouldn’t take them. I just don’t trust the numbers. I gave an example of my mother in law, but I also have two cousins in Texas and two neighbors over 68that got it. One had bad health, but he and the rest all recovered and all said they had really bad colds. So who do we believe? My own doctor I saw last week doesn’t even wear a mask. So who do we believe? I already said earlier that this is endemic, meaning it won't go away. Cancer and diabetes are not communicable diseases, so that's irrelevant. I'm glad you can fixate on survival rates, though. Good talking point. The model (A model) projected x amount of deaths WITHOUT mitigation measures in place, which fortunately makes a difference. I'm not the one talking about death, I'm talking about the unknown, long-term viability and impact of the virus that cuts down on life expectancy. I believe the science, not the conspiracy. |
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Post by tuff on Dec 18, 2020 19:53:53 GMT -8
Thank you for your insight doctor.but COVID is not going away, just like cancer and diabetes and others. But we do have a vaccine or two to curb the symptoms. Patients 70 and above have a 95% survival rate according to the CDC. It goes up to 99.9 % as the age comes down. That’s damn good. This ain’t the Black Plague. As long as we are careful and protect the most vulnerable we should be fine. But the media et al have pushed all this fear, and they are doing it on purpose. And that is criminal IMO. You keep talking about death, and it is true. But when this thing started they said 3to 3.5 million deaths. Not even close today. I personally don’t believe the death numbers as they pertain to deaths from COVID, but how many deaths because of COVID where patients couldn’t get their medical procedures because hospitals wouldn’t take them. I just don’t trust the numbers. I gave an example of my mother in law, but I also have two cousins in Texas and two neighbors over 68that got it. One had bad health, but he and the rest all recovered and all said they had really bad colds. So who do we believe? My own doctor I saw last week doesn’t even wear a mask. So who do we believe? I already said earlier that this is endemic, meaning it won't go away. Cancer and diabetes are not communicable diseases, so that's irrelevant. I'm glad you can fixate on survival rates, though. Good talking point. The model (A model) projected x amount of deaths WITHOUT mitigation measures in place, which fortunately makes a difference. I'm not the one talking about death, I'm talking about the unknown, long-term viability and impact of the virus that cuts down on life expectancy. I believe the science, not the conspiracy. It’s crazy isn’t it. |
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 18, 2020 20:55:17 GMT -8
I already said earlier that this is endemic, meaning it won't go away. Cancer and diabetes are not communicable diseases, so that's irrelevant. I'm glad you can fixate on survival rates, though. Good talking point. The model (A model) projected x amount of deaths WITHOUT mitigation measures in place, which fortunately makes a difference. I'm not the one talking about death, I'm talking about the unknown, long-term viability and impact of the virus that cuts down on life expectancy. I believe the science, not the conspiracy. It’s crazy isn’t it. Not sure what you're talking about. |
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Jan 29, 2021 14:56:07 GMT -8
There are too many "maskholes" that have politicized wearing a mask as personal protection against a virus of pandemic proportions!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2021 20:28:10 GMT -8
Herd immunity is the way to get over this. Along with the vaccines. Thank you mr president for operation warp speed. As Pfizer made clear, the orange imbecile had nothing to do with its vaccine. But I do give him credit for the lies and misinformation and a few hundred thousand unnecessary deaths in the US. He still thinks he won. Stop the steal!!!!!!!!! He's waiting for your next donation!!! |
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Post by Obsidian Edge on Nov 18, 2021 16:10:40 GMT -8
By now, I would think that the vast majority of Americans are aware of the dangers of Covid-19. Also, I would think think that Americans know what they can do to reduce their chances of contracting the virus. That being said, I am wondering why we have seen in the recent increase in cases. AzWm This isn't a hard puzzle to figure out. We live in a me-first, selfish culture. Mask compliance is sporadic, unintelligent and disjointed. People are unwilling to sacrifice their personal "freedoms" and their "rights" to get through the worst of it. Leadership at every level has been poor, resulting in mixed messaging and politicization of safeguards. The liberal side has been seen as having too much overreach, the conservative side has been seen as conspiracy theorist, willful endangerment of the public and refusing to endorse simple safety mwasures. We lost the battle that Japan, South Korea and numerous other countries won, so now we get to suffer the consequences. It's going to be worse in the coming months, before vaccine compliance fully kicks in. We're going to lose 2,500+ people daily for a while. There's a lot going on here. Definitely agree we live in a selfish "me-first" society. No doubt about that. As for your other statements... Most commercially available masks don't stop the spread of the virus. The virus is a much smaller particulate than what any mask can filter. www.rcreader.com/commentary/masks-dont-work-covid-a-review-of-science-relevant-to-covide-19-social-policyPeople are unwilling to sacrifice their freedoms? Considering personal freedom and individual rights are supposed to be the bedrock of our civilization, it seems odd that you think people are somehow "selfish" for not wanting to cede either to a central authority. I think you are being the selfish one for expecting them to do so. Perhaps instead of denigrating those who do not wish to give up their freedom through force, you could persuade them with the force of argument to inject experiments into their bodies so you can feel safer? Yes, the leadership of this country is largely incompetent and/or corrupt across the political spectrum. What recent conspiracy theories have conservatives engaged in that haven't been proven true? You do know that the highest jabbed countries in the world are experiencing some of the highest rates of new COVID infection right? Even Dr. Fauci recently admitted that the COVID gene therapy does not prevent the spread of the virus. People may continue to be listed as COVID deaths, but they aren't dying because jab rates are below some arbitrary percentage. They are more likely dying from any of the 1-5 comorbidities 99% of them have at time of death. The hospital then classifies them as a COVID death so they can receive compensation from COVID-related federal funds. How has Pfizer's stock done this year? |
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Post by uwphoto on Nov 27, 2021 17:00:10 GMT -8
This isn't a hard puzzle to figure out. We live in a me-first, selfish culture. Mask compliance is sporadic, unintelligent and disjointed. People are unwilling to sacrifice their personal "freedoms" and their "rights" to get through the worst of it. Leadership at every level has been poor, resulting in mixed messaging and politicization of safeguards. The liberal side has been seen as having too much overreach, the conservative side has been seen as conspiracy theorist, willful endangerment of the public and refusing to endorse simple safety mwasures. We lost the battle that Japan, South Korea and numerous other countries won, so now we get to suffer the consequences. It's going to be worse in the coming months, before vaccine compliance fully kicks in. We're going to lose 2,500+ people daily for a while. There's a lot going on here. Definitely agree we live in a selfish "me-first" society. No doubt about that. As for your other statements... Most commercially available masks don't stop the spread of the virus. The virus is a much smaller particulate than what any mask can filter. www.rcreader.com/commentary/masks-dont-work-covid-a-review-of-science-relevant-to-covide-19-social-policyPeople are unwilling to sacrifice their freedoms? Considering personal freedom and individual rights are supposed to be the bedrock of our civilization, it seems odd that you think people are somehow "selfish" for not wanting to cede either to a central authority. I think you are being the selfish one for expecting them to do so. Perhaps instead of denigrating those who do not wish to give up their freedom through force, you could persuade them with the force of argument to inject experiments into their bodies so you can feel safer? Yes, the leadership of this country is largely incompetent and/or corrupt across the political spectrum. What recent conspiracy theories have conservatives engaged in that haven't been proven true? You do know that the highest jabbed countries in the world are experiencing some of the highest rates of new COVID infection right? Even Dr. Fauci recently admitted that the COVID gene therapy does not prevent the spread of the virus. People may continue to be listed as COVID deaths, but they aren't dying because jab rates are below some arbitrary percentage. They are more likely dying from any of the 1-5 comorbidities 99% of them have at time of death. The hospital then classifies them as a COVID death so they can receive compensation from COVID-related federal funds. How has Pfizer's stock done this year? "what recent conspiracy theories have conservatives engaged in that haven't been proven true". Really? Is this a joke? |
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Post by survalli on Dec 11, 2021 18:34:46 GMT -8
its clear now there is no such thing as herd immunity. this virus is constantly evolving. the precautions that many of us have taken help minimize our exposure, but none of them are the silver bullet. most likely the virus will evolve itself out of importance before there is a final "cure." this will be well after our drug companies have raked in trillions.
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Post by sdsu2000 on Dec 29, 2021 19:17:46 GMT -8
COVID will never go away. Will it get weaker overtime, probably. Will we be getting a yearly shot, probably. Will that yearly shot be more important for certain people than others, probably.
Omicron hasn’t even sunk its teeth into San Diego yet. This wave that’s hitting is more than 90% Delta. If Omicron comes on quick we could be at hospital capacity in 2-3 weeks. We are just under 80% now. We could be at 80% by the end of the weekend.
It’s just a stronger version of the flu. Well, I don’t remember a time where the flu caused hospitals to be at capacity and people in needing of care being turned away. That’s what we tried to avoid last year but that’s what we’ll be facing at the beginning of 2022.
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Post by Den60 on Jan 6, 2022 9:17:49 GMT -8
COVID will never go away. Will it get weaker overtime, probably. Will we be getting a yearly shot, probably. Will that yearly shot be more important for certain people than others, probably. Omicron hasn’t even sunk its teeth into San Diego yet. This wave that’s hitting is more than 90% Delta. If Omicron comes on quick we could be at hospital capacity in 2-3 weeks. We are just under 80% now. We could be at 80% by the end of the weekend. It’s just a stronger version of the flu. Well, I don’t remember a time where the flu caused hospitals to be at capacity and people in needing of care being turned away. That’s what we tried to avoid last year but that’s what we’ll be facing at the beginning of 2022. We have never cured the "common cold" (which includes coronaviruses) nor have we cured influenza. As for hospitals being "overwhelmed," well that is quite typical for this time of year. Just google "Hospitals Overwhelmed" and add a year: Here are just a couple: From 2009: www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2009-may-01-na-swineflu-hospitals1-story.htmlFrom 2015: abcnews.go.com/Health/flu-closes-schools-flusters-hospitals-nationwide/story?id=28245734From 2018: time.com/5107984/hospitals-handling-burden-flu-patients/ |
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