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Post by aztecryan on Dec 5, 2020 13:43:00 GMT -8
people who can't follow simple guidelines out of pure selfishness Here are your simple guidelines, and they absolutely are being enforced. Yes, you picked one widely covered story. Congrats. That does not mean they are going to arrest people walking on the street or pulling people over to interrogate them on their travel plans. Use common sense here.
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Post by ptsdthor on Dec 5, 2020 13:52:47 GMT -8
Honolulu=Manhattan=DC? Fed/CDC guidines with state/county/local as much as possible/practical governance. 10th Ammedment is not suspended in war let alone in a bad flu pandemic. Sigh. No, that isn't what that means. Also, this is nothing like the flu. I had the flu last week. For 3 days, I was in rough shape. I was not on a ventilator, suffered no cognitive impairment, neurological symptoms, strokes or myocarditis. TDS does not provide cover for Newsom's hypocrisy or Cuomo's incompetance.
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Dec 5, 2020 14:26:25 GMT -8
That does not mean they are going to arrest people walking on the street or pulling people over to interrogate them on their travel plans. Use common sense here. I don't have to use common sense because I get the internal enforcement guidelines. They haven't come out yet for the new ICU Stay-at-home order, but I can give them to you for the limited Stay-at-home order issued just before Thanksgiving. If local law enforcement treats this new order like the previous order, you are likely correct about pulling people over to interrogate them. From the 11-20-2020 guidelines: However, it is made very clear that people are subject to arrest. I did not add the bolding. It is in the original. For the earlier order, the discretion to prosecute violators was up to the officers but a strong suggestion toward not prosecuting violators was given. As said earlier, the new guidelines haven't been issued yet but the moment they are I will get them and I do have my fingers crossed for a similar soft touch towards the people. That said, the previous directives towards businesses where not soft at all. In fact, the SD Sheriffs were directed to shut businesses down in areas where there were local police forces who were refusing to comply. El Cajon was specifically mentioned as an area where SD Sheriffs were ordered to close businesses even though El Cajon has its own police force and SD Sheriffs don't normally police that area.
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 5, 2020 16:11:18 GMT -8
Sigh. No, that isn't what that means. Also, this is nothing like the flu. I had the flu last week. For 3 days, I was in rough shape. I was not on a ventilator, suffered no cognitive impairment, neurological symptoms, strokes or myocarditis. TDS does not provide cover for Newsom's hypocrisy or Cuomo's incompetance. Your schtick is old and has been exposed....so, yeah. And FYI - Not a Cuomo guy.
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 5, 2020 16:14:12 GMT -8
That does not mean they are going to arrest people walking on the street or pulling people over to interrogate them on their travel plans. Use common sense here. I don't have to use common sense because I get the internal enforcement guidelines. They haven't come out yet for the new ICU Stay-at-home order, but I can give them to you for the limited Stay-at-home order issued just before Thanksgiving. If local law enforcement treats this new order like the previous order, you are likely correct about pulling people over to interrogate them. From the 11-20-2020 guidelines: However, it is made very clear that people are subject to arrest. I did not add the bolding. It is in the original. For the earlier order, the discretion to prosecute violators was up to the officers but a strong suggestion toward not prosecuting violators was given. As said earlier, the new guidelines haven't been issued yet but the moment they are I will get them and I do have my fingers crossed for a similar soft touch towards the people. That said, the previous directives towards businesses where not soft at all. In fact, the SD Sheriffs were directed to shut businesses down in areas where there were local police forces who were refusing to comply. El Cajon was specifically mentioned as an area where SD Sheriffs were ordered to close businesses even though El Cajon has its own police force and SD Sheriffs don't normally police that area. El Cajon has vast amounts of unincorporated territory where the Sheriff has jurisdiction. Long story short, this is the exact same situation as before. It will not be enforced. Relying on people to be intelligent, rational thinkers and to be less selfish so we can get back to normal.
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Post by uwphoto on Dec 6, 2020 16:14:40 GMT -8
lotta pictures of Giuliani posing up close and personal selfies with cult members before today. Did he get it from his star witness?? that crazy lady?
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Post by ptsdthor on Dec 7, 2020 9:26:30 GMT -8
The poorer grades in general, the lack of socialization, unequal technology among the students, potential neglect if parents work, potential abuse if parents have mental or behavioral problems, missing out on subsidized food and after school care, it goes on and on yet the Chicago Teacher's Union comes up with this crap to justify their full pay while claiming at the same time that they are less than essential workers. Essential workers show up and deal with their customers in person. See clerks, nurses, police, etc. The left uses the race and victim card too easily and too often and for the wrong reasons. The desire for parents to have their children educated in person has absolutely nothing to do with sexism, racism and misogyny and all involved know it too. But hey, when you have nothing else to back up your argument....
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Post by johneaztec on Dec 9, 2020 21:27:32 GMT -8
Crazy. There's only been 36 cases of influenza in San Diego County during the flu season so far, when it should be in the thousands. Hmmmm. People are trying to audit the records as we speak.
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 9, 2020 22:32:19 GMT -8
Crazy. There's only been 36 cases of influenza in San Diego County during the flu season so far, when it should be in the thousands. Hmmmm. People are trying to audit the records as we speak. Not difficult to understand why.
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Dec 10, 2020 10:03:32 GMT -8
Back to the original topic... not sure how people are actually defending the hypocrisy of these politicians. It's different than Trump being careless because he doesn't put on some front about him being super careful and nervous and shutting everything down, then do something else in private (I'm not a Trump guy at all btw... I can make fun of him all day)
Newsom shut down businesses, yet his winery is open. He shut down schools, yet his kids go to in person private school (that one makes me steam at the ears). Tells people not to meet at large gatherings and only eat outdoors with social distancing, but he goes to a restaurant with I think 8(?) people (including his own health officials), 4(?) couples all from different households and eats indoors. Pelosi secretly goes to a salon and gets caught, then blames the salon. The mayor of Austin goes to Cabo while shutting business down and telling people to stay home. The mayor of San Fran goes to the French Laundry 8 days after giving a stay at home order.
It's absolutely unbelievable. And they wonder why so many people aren't taking this seriously. If you're not following your own ridiculous orders for this virus, that means you are also not scared of it. It's plain to see that these orders to shut down are insane, which is why the very politicians who set them are not even following them
Make reasonable rules that actually make sense (and follow them yourself) and people might actually follow them
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 10, 2020 10:28:10 GMT -8
Back to the original topic... not sure how people are actually defending the hypocrisy of these politicians. It's different than Trump being careless because he doesn't put on some front about him being super careful and nervous and shutting everything down, then do something else in private (I'm not a Trump guy at all btw... I can make fun of him all day) Newsom shut down businesses, yet his winery is open. He shut down schools, yet his kids go to in person private school (that one makes me steam at the ears). Tells people not to meet at large gatherings and only eat outdoors with social distancing, but he goes to a restaurant with I think 8(?) people (including his own health officials), 4(?) couples all from different households and eats indoors. Pelosi secretly goes to a salon and gets caught, then blames the salon. The mayor of Austin goes to Cabo while shutting business down and telling people to stay home. The mayor of San Fran goes to the French Laundry 8 days after giving a stay at home order. It's absolutely unbelievable. And they wonder why so many people aren't taking this seriously. If you're not following your own ridiculous orders for this virus, that means you are also not scared of it. It's plain to see that these orders to shut down are insane, which is why the very politicians who set them are not even following them Make reasonable rules that actually make sense (and follow them yourself) and people might actually follow them Breaking news : 1%'ers live by their own set of doctrines. Is it right? Of course not. Is it reality? Unfortunately, yes. And it's not limited to this state. It's the wealthy elite and what privilege and money does. Separate rules exist in a vacuum for those in power or those with enough wealth to get by. It's why the gap between perception and reality exists in the first place. McConnell, Paul, Graham, Cornyn, Rubio, Cruz, Feinstein, Crenshaw, Trump, etc.
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Dec 10, 2020 10:54:43 GMT -8
Back to the original topic... not sure how people are actually defending the hypocrisy of these politicians. It's different than Trump being careless because he doesn't put on some front about him being super careful and nervous and shutting everything down, then do something else in private (I'm not a Trump guy at all btw... I can make fun of him all day) Newsom shut down businesses, yet his winery is open. He shut down schools, yet his kids go to in person private school (that one makes me steam at the ears). Tells people not to meet at large gatherings and only eat outdoors with social distancing, but he goes to a restaurant with I think 8(?) people (including his own health officials), 4(?) couples all from different households and eats indoors. Pelosi secretly goes to a salon and gets caught, then blames the salon. The mayor of Austin goes to Cabo while shutting business down and telling people to stay home. The mayor of San Fran goes to the French Laundry 8 days after giving a stay at home order. It's absolutely unbelievable. And they wonder why so many people aren't taking this seriously. If you're not following your own ridiculous orders for this virus, that means you are also not scared of it. It's plain to see that these orders to shut down are insane, which is why the very politicians who set them are not even following them Make reasonable rules that actually make sense (and follow them yourself) and people might actually follow them Breaking news : 1%'ers live by their own set of doctrines. Is it right? Of course not. Is it reality? Unfortunately, yes. And it's not limited to this state. It's the wealthy elite and what privilege and money does. Separate rules exist in a vacuum for those in power or those with enough wealth to get by. It's why the gap between perception and reality exists in the first place. McConnell, Paul, Graham, Cornyn, Rubio, Cruz, Feinstein, Crenshaw, Trump, etc. Ok but this is the first time the government is imposing mandatory shutdowns to all businesses. The "1%ers" normally aren't doing their rich activities to the detriment of everyone else. By the way Newsom is a governor, I don't pay close enough attention to know what his spouse does, but he shouldn't be all that rich from a government salary
Mandatory suffering for everyone but they go against their own rules
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 10, 2020 11:25:52 GMT -8
Breaking news : 1%'ers live by their own set of doctrines. Is it right? Of course not. Is it reality? Unfortunately, yes. And it's not limited to this state. It's the wealthy elite and what privilege and money does. Separate rules exist in a vacuum for those in power or those with enough wealth to get by. It's why the gap between perception and reality exists in the first place. McConnell, Paul, Graham, Cornyn, Rubio, Cruz, Feinstein, Crenshaw, Trump, etc. Ok but this is the first time the government is imposing mandatory shutdowns to all businesses. The "1%ers" normally aren't doing their rich activities to the detriment of everyone else. By the way Newsom is a governor, I don't pay close enough attention to know what his spouse does, but he shouldn't be all that rich from a government salary
Mandatory suffering for everyone but they go against their own rules
A) No, it isn't. Not all businesses are shut down, either. Retail is open with limited capacity, restaurants are open with to-go status. I don't know where you've been, but the wealthy doing things others cannot is not a new phenomenon. Newson's been rich most of his life. His wife's second cousin is a multimillionaire. He's founded or cofounded nearly a dozen business ventures. www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-gavin-newsom-business-20181028-story.html
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Dec 10, 2020 11:54:26 GMT -8
Ok but this is the first time the government is imposing mandatory shutdowns to all businesses. The "1%ers" normally aren't doing their rich activities to the detriment of everyone else. By the way Newsom is a governor, I don't pay close enough attention to know what his spouse does, but he shouldn't be all that rich from a government salary
Mandatory suffering for everyone but they go against their own rules
A) No, it isn't. Not all businesses are shut down, either. Retail is open with limited capacity, restaurants are open with to-go status. I don't know where you've been, but the wealthy doing things others cannot is not a new phenomenon. Newson's been rich most of his life. His wife's second cousin is a multimillionaire. He's founded or cofounded nearly a dozen business ventures. www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-gavin-newsom-business-20181028-story.htmlWhy are you defending them? You're really that biased to where you cant just say "yeah they're a-holes who shouldn't be doing that" and move on, simply because they're liberal? If they were on the right I'd be saying the exact same thing
You're saying this is fine because you think it's normal? The topic had nothing to do with other politicians or 1%ers...
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 10, 2020 13:24:22 GMT -8
A) No, it isn't. Not all businesses are shut down, either. Retail is open with limited capacity, restaurants are open with to-go status. I don't know where you've been, but the wealthy doing things others cannot is not a new phenomenon. Newson's been rich most of his life. His wife's second cousin is a multimillionaire. He's founded or cofounded nearly a dozen business ventures. www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-gavin-newsom-business-20181028-story.htmlWhy are you defending them? You're really that biased to where you cant just say "yeah they're a-holes who shouldn't be doing that" and move on, simply because they're liberal? If they were on the right I'd be saying the exact same thing
You're saying this is fine because you think it's normal? The topic had nothing to do with other politicians or 1%ers...
I don't get bent out of shape over things that don't really matter, like an elitist system that protects its own. What he did was asinine, but Gavin Newsom going to a restaurant doesn't exactly measure up to what I consider far more dangerous, more pressing issues. Politicans and wealthy people play by their own set of rules - It sucks, but it isn't changing. Being liberal or conservative has nothing to do with it. It's power and a broken set of ideals. It's why Congress collects a paycheck, goes on vacation, comes back, collects another paycheck and a large part of America starves.
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