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Post by ptsdthor on Dec 3, 2020 14:27:59 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 3, 2020 14:37:56 GMT -8
Publish the list of the GOP members who got COVID for violating state laws and mandates.
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Dec 3, 2020 15:19:25 GMT -8
Get ready for some more. The new restrictions about to come down will be far more restrictive than what we've seen so far. The new restrictions will be tied to regional ICU capacity. Once it drops below 15% unused ICU beds, all dining including outdoor dining becomes illegal. Travel will be restricted. There are other restrictions. It is projected to happen here in San Diego within the next 10 days.
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 4, 2020 14:27:26 GMT -8
Get ready for some more. The new restrictions about to come down will be far more restrictive than what we've seen so far. The new restrictions will be tied to regional ICU capacity. Once it drops below 15% unused ICU beds, all dining including outdoor dining becomes illegal. Travel will be restricted. There are other restrictions. It is projected to happen here in San Diego within the next 10 days. It's mostly still unenforceable. I read that Winter Gardens Elementary in Lakeside is now shut down after they had 12 or 13 positive cases in a cluster.
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Dec 4, 2020 21:16:50 GMT -8
Get ready for some more. The new restrictions about to come down will be far more restrictive than what we've seen so far. The new restrictions will be tied to regional ICU capacity. Once it drops below 15% unused ICU beds, all dining including outdoor dining becomes illegal. Travel will be restricted. There are other restrictions. It is projected to happen here in San Diego within the next 10 days. It's mostly still unenforceable. I read that Winter Gardens Elementary in Lakeside is now shut down after they had 12 or 13 positive cases in a cluster. The LA Sheriff said he wasn't going to enforce it after the new restrictions were announced. In response, earlier today Gavin said that he would financially choke off any county who refused to enforce his orders. No one has hit the 15% trigger yet so in truth we don't yet know what will be enforced. The crappy part for those of us here in San Diego and Orange County is that he's chained us to Los Angeles. Our ICU free capacity is over 23% but Los Angeles ICU free capacity is below 19% right now. If LA goes below 15% then we get locked down, and there is no statistical release point. We will all effectively be under house arrest with work release, being policed by officers who may not get paychecks if they choose to look the other way, with release being granted only once internally calculated projections predict 4 weeks of daily 15%+ ICU spare capacity. Actual ICU spare capacity is irrelevant. Los Angels could dip to 14.9% for 1 day only to immediately rebound to 15%+ the next, and that will be enough to trigger the implementation of indefinite confinement for us.
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 4, 2020 23:37:12 GMT -8
It's mostly still unenforceable. I read that Winter Gardens Elementary in Lakeside is now shut down after they had 12 or 13 positive cases in a cluster. The LA Sheriff said he wasn't going to enforce it after the new restrictions were announced. In response, earlier today Gavin said that he would financially choke off any county who refused to enforce his orders. No one has hit the 15% trigger yet so in truth we don't yet know what will be enforced. The crappy part for those of us here in San Diego and Orange County is that he's chained us to Los Angeles. Our ICU free capacity is over 23% but Los Angeles ICU free capacity is below 19% right now. If LA goes below 15% then we get locked down, and there is no statistical release point. We will all effectively be under house arrest with work release, being policed by officers who may not get paychecks if they choose to look the other way, with release being granted only once internally calculated projections predict 4 weeks of daily 15%+ ICU spare capacity. Actual ICU spare capacity is irrelevant. Los Angels could dip to 14.9% for 1 day only to immediately rebound to 15%+ the next, and that will be enough to trigger the implementation of indefinite confinement for us. Seeing conflicting numbers on ICU capacity here. www.cbs8.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/san-diego-nears-icu-capacity/509-8f009592-9677-4cda-9ca4-8d847ca4a17dRegionally speaking, it's the right call, as difficult as it might seem. With the way patients are transferred, moved to different areas, etc. Just have to grind through it.
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Dec 5, 2020 7:32:13 GMT -8
The LA Sheriff said he wasn't going to enforce it after the new restrictions were announced. In response, earlier today Gavin said that he would financially choke off any county who refused to enforce his orders. No one has hit the 15% trigger yet so in truth we don't yet know what will be enforced. The crappy part for those of us here in San Diego and Orange County is that he's chained us to Los Angeles. Our ICU free capacity is over 23% but Los Angeles ICU free capacity is below 19% right now. If LA goes below 15% then we get locked down, and there is no statistical release point. We will all effectively be under house arrest with work release, being policed by officers who may not get paychecks if they choose to look the other way, with release being granted only once internally calculated projections predict 4 weeks of daily 15%+ ICU spare capacity. Actual ICU spare capacity is irrelevant. Los Angels could dip to 14.9% for 1 day only to immediately rebound to 15%+ the next, and that will be enough to trigger the implementation of indefinite confinement for us. Seeing conflicting numbers on ICU capacity here. www.cbs8.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/san-diego-nears-icu-capacity/509-8f009592-9677-4cda-9ca4-8d847ca4a17dRegionally speaking, it's the right call, as difficult as it might seem. With the way patients are transferred, moved to different areas, etc. Just have to grind through it. Regardless of your feelings towards the bundling of counties, this whole construct is wrong. Having police prosecute citizens for violating edicts is wrong. These aren’t laws. Gavin declared an emergency and says that gives him to power to strike down laws at his sole discretion without going through courts, create enforceable new “laws” without any legislative input, and has seized the power of the purse. Why do we even have a Legislative or Judicial Branch at all? All branches of the California government are Gavin now. We do have no choice but to grind through it, just as the people of North Korea have to grind through it, and the Uighurs being loaded on trains in China have to grind through it. That doesn’t make it right.
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Post by aardvark on Dec 5, 2020 10:30:40 GMT -8
The LA Sheriff said he wasn't going to enforce it after the new restrictions were announced. In response, earlier today Gavin said that he would financially choke off any county who refused to enforce his orders. No one has hit the 15% trigger yet so in truth we don't yet know what will be enforced. The crappy part for those of us here in San Diego and Orange County is that he's chained us to Los Angeles. Our ICU free capacity is over 23% but Los Angeles ICU free capacity is below 19% right now. If LA goes below 15% then we get locked down, and there is no statistical release point. We will all effectively be under house arrest with work release, being policed by officers who may not get paychecks if they choose to look the other way, with release being granted only once internally calculated projections predict 4 weeks of daily 15%+ ICU spare capacity. Actual ICU spare capacity is irrelevant. Los Angels could dip to 14.9% for 1 day only to immediately rebound to 15%+ the next, and that will be enough to trigger the implementation of indefinite confinement for us. Seeing conflicting numbers on ICU capacity here. www.cbs8.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/san-diego-nears-icu-capacity/509-8f009592-9677-4cda-9ca4-8d847ca4a17dRegionally speaking, it's the right call, as difficult as it might seem. With the way patients are transferred, moved to different areas, etc. Just have to grind through it. An individual county's ICU capacity is no longer as meaningful as the new counties-chosen-by-dartboard regional ICU capacity, as decreed by Dear Leader Newsom. And...our region has reached the threshold of less than 15% capacity in ICU's, so the new restrictions start tomorrow.
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 5, 2020 10:39:50 GMT -8
An individual county's ICU capacity is no longer as meaningful as the new counties-chosen-by-dartboard regional ICU capacity, as decreed by Dear Leader Newsom. And...our region has reached the threshold of less than 15% capacity in ICU's, so the new restrictions start tomorrow. I'm aware. I was responding to his 23% number in San Diego County.
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 5, 2020 10:44:32 GMT -8
Regardless of your feelings towards the bundling of counties, this whole construct is wrong. Having police prosecute citizens for violating edicts is wrong. These aren’t laws. Gavin declared an emergency and says that gives him to power to strike down laws at his sole discretion without going through courts, create enforceable new “laws” without any legislative input, and has seized the power of the purse. Why do we even have a Legislative or Judicial Branch at all? All branches of the California government are Gavin now. We do have no choice but to grind through it, just as the people of North Korea have to grind through it, and the Uighurs being loaded on trains in China have to grind through it. That doesn’t make it right. Not all violations are created equally. But let's not be ridiculous here and compare North Korea or Chinese labor camps to people having parties and get-togethers, restaurants/businesses violating basic procedures and protocols. The federal government has failed them, not Gavin Newsom.
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Post by ptsdthor on Dec 5, 2020 11:52:36 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on Dec 5, 2020 12:10:46 GMT -8
Gavin "the hypocrite" Newsome.
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 5, 2020 12:22:30 GMT -8
Gavin "the hypocrite" Newsome. I'll wait for you to call out the other side for the same exact thing. Somehow...I doubt you'll do it. It's unfortunate, but a federal crisis requires a federal solution.
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Dec 5, 2020 12:38:31 GMT -8
Regardless of your feelings towards the bundling of counties, this whole construct is wrong. Having police prosecute citizens for violating edicts is wrong. These aren’t laws. Gavin declared an emergency and says that gives him to power to strike down laws at his sole discretion without going through courts, create enforceable new “laws” without any legislative input, and has seized the power of the purse. Why do we even have a Legislative or Judicial Branch at all? All branches of the California government are Gavin now. We do have no choice but to grind through it, just as the people of North Korea have to grind through it, and the Uighurs being loaded on trains in China have to grind through it. That doesn’t make it right. Not all violations are created equally. But let's not be ridiculous here and compare North Korea or Chinese labor camps to people having parties and get-togethers, restaurants/businesses violating basic procedures and protocols. The federal government has failed them, not Gavin Newsom. THIS IS 100% GAVIN NEWSOM. And this isn't about parties or businesses violating basic procedures. Travel anywhere outside your house, even if by yourself while wearing a mask in your car, can get you arrested unless the travel is to, from, or carrying out a government sanctioned "essential" service. This isn't 'common sense' or 'following the science'. This is a pure exercise of authoritarian control by one man with an emergency being the excuse he's used to seize the unchecked power to pull it off.
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Dec 5, 2020 12:53:55 GMT -8
federal crisis requires a federal solution. OMFG....do you know what the word "federal" means? Do you know why we call our system of government in the United States a "federal" government? The first political party in the US was the Federalists, who were pushing for a "federal" style of central government. They got it. Hint: look up the word "federation". A "federal solution" is a solution where internal groups (we call them "states") have the autonomy of their own internal solutions. In calling for a "federal solution" you just called for states to be left alone to implement their own solutions, and I'm guessing you had no idea that was what you were advocating for because in your head you thought "federal" was a synonym for "national".
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 5, 2020 12:55:11 GMT -8
Not all violations are created equally. But let's not be ridiculous here and compare North Korea or Chinese labor camps to people having parties and get-togethers, restaurants/businesses violating basic procedures and protocols. The federal government has failed them, not Gavin Newsom. THIS IS 100% GAVIN NEWSOM. And this isn't about parties or businesses violating basic procedures. Travel anywhere outside your house, even if by yourself while wearing a mask in your car, can get you arrested unless the travel is to, from, or carrying out a government sanctioned "essential" service. This isn't 'common sense' or 'following the science'. This is a pure exercise of authoritarian control by one man with an emergency being the excuse he's used to seize the unchecked power to pull it off. This is fearmongering. It's unenforceable, just like the last mandate. It will not be readily enforced, nobody will get arrested. Stop buying into hype and strong-worded PR messages. Nothing's different besides the stupidity of anti-maskers, people who can't follow simple guidelines out of pure selfishness and those who have caused this spike of cases/hospitalizations. I'd rather have safety and actual protocol in place than this. This is the price paid for the abomination of the federal response (or lack thereof) and the inability to take responsibility for personal actions. I'd like to see more small business loans go out, more help for individual consumers, more targeted actions to help those struggling. Unfortunately, we have no competency or willingness to get that to happen.
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 5, 2020 12:56:18 GMT -8
federal crisis requires a federal solution. OMFG....do you know what the word "federal" means? Do you know why we call our system of government in the United States a "federal" government? The first political party in the US was the Federalists, who were pushing for a "federal" style of central government. They got it. Hint: look up the word "federation". A "federal solution" is a solution where internal groups (we call them "states") have the autonomy of their own internal solutions. In calling for a "federal solution" you just called for states to be left alone to implement their own solutions, and I'm guessing you had no idea that was what you were advocating for. I'll wait for you to figure out why that doesn't work. To clarify - National problem = National solution = National response.
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Post by ptsdthor on Dec 5, 2020 13:14:38 GMT -8
OMFG....do you know what the word "federal" means? Do you know why we call our system of government in the United States a "federal" government? The first political party in the US was the Federalists, who were pushing for a "federal" style of central government. They got it. Hint: look up the word "federation". A "federal solution" is a solution where internal groups (we call them "states") have the autonomy of their own internal solutions. In calling for a "federal solution" you just called for states to be left alone to implement their own solutions, and I'm guessing you had no idea that was what you were advocating for. I'll wait for you to figure out why that doesn't work. To clarify - National problem = National solution = National response. Honolulu=Manhattan=DC? Fed/CDC guidines with state/county/local as much as possible/practical governance. 10th Ammedment is not suspended in war let alone in a bad flu pandemic.
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Dec 5, 2020 13:17:36 GMT -8
people who can't follow simple guidelines out of pure selfishness Here are your simple guidelines, and they absolutely are being enforced.
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 5, 2020 13:41:57 GMT -8
I'll wait for you to figure out why that doesn't work. To clarify - National problem = National solution = National response. Honolulu=Manhattan=DC? Fed/CDC guidines with state/county/local as much as possible/practical governance. 10th Ammedment is not suspended in war let alone in a bad flu pandemic. Sigh. No, that isn't what that means. Also, this is nothing like the flu. I had the flu last week. For 3 days, I was in rough shape. I was not on a ventilator, suffered no cognitive impairment, neurological symptoms, strokes or myocarditis.
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