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Post by ptsdthor on Nov 25, 2020 17:16:10 GMT -8
thenationalpulse.com/breaking/obama-hispanic-voters/He thinks Hispanics only support Trump because of the their religious beliefs (which he has little respect or agreement) and gives no credit for Trump's economics, support for entreprenuralism (which they embrace with a vengance), law and order, the American Dream, etc. And he thinks that White males only likes him because they feel like victims when everyone in the world votes (when they can) their wallet first, second and third. And those wallets include our national fortunes vs China. The Waltons, Amazon/Bezos, big box stores, etc, became or stayed Billionaires selling cheap Chinese crap at the expense of our manufacturers. And see our service economy, which now dominates, that has its wages held low with cheap foreign labor and that somehow does not affect the earning potential of the middle class ? What a self absorbed baffoon!
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 26, 2020 10:25:38 GMT -8
thenationalpulse.com/breaking/obama-hispanic-voters/He thinks Hispanics only support Trump because of the their religious beliefs (which he has little respect or agreement) and gives no credit for Trump's economics, support for entreprenuralism (which they embrace with a vengance), law and order, the American Dream, etc. And he thinks that White males only likes him because they feel like victims when everyone in the world votes (when they can) their wallet first, second and third. And those wallets include our national fortunes vs China. The Waltons, Amazon/Bezos, big box stores, etc, became or stayed Billionaires selling cheap Chinese crap at the expense of our manufacturers. And see our service economy, which now dominates, that has its wages held low with cheap foreign labor and that somehow does not affect the earning potential of the middle class ? What a self absorbed baffoon! I found one. His name is Donald Trump.
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Post by ptsdthor on Nov 26, 2020 11:14:47 GMT -8
As per his clueless leftist progressive playbook, anyone of color that dare think for themselves, they must be reminded that they are 1st, 2nd and 3rd the victims. And any conservative that has a legitimate gripe with our nation's governance, he only see the skin color and offers a quick reminder that whites are the oppressors. What a putz!
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 26, 2020 12:06:16 GMT -8
As per his clueless leftist progressive playbook, anyone of color that dare think for themselves, they must be reminded that they are 1st, 2nd and 3rd the victims. And any conservative that has a legitimate gripe with our nation's governance, he only see the skin color and offers a quick reminder that whites are the oppressors. What a putz! And what of the laundry list of enablers that have collectively turned on their own ideals to support the corruption of this administration? Lindsey Graham, Ted Cruz, Jim Jordan and countless others that have flip-flopped their moral perspective like an abandoned puppy stuck at the bottom of a well. Receipts last forever, unfortunately. Another extremely dishonest article that portrays a false image of actual events. Obama built cages, Trump's zero tolerance policy destroyed hundreds of families, killed children and inflicted extreme levels of harm for a wall that was nothing more than a pathetic illusion.
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Post by uwphoto on Nov 26, 2020 13:08:25 GMT -8
thenationalpulse.com/breaking/obama-hispanic-voters/He thinks Hispanics only support Trump because of the their religious beliefs (which he has little respect or agreement) and gives no credit for Trump's economics, support for entreprenuralism (which they embrace with a vengance), law and order, the American Dream, etc. And he thinks that White males only likes him because they feel like victims when everyone in the world votes (when they can) their wallet first, second and third. And those wallets include our national fortunes vs China. The Waltons, Amazon/Bezos, big box stores, etc, became or stayed Billionaires selling cheap Chinese crap at the expense of our manufacturers. And see our service economy, which now dominates, that has its wages held low with cheap foreign labor and that somehow does not affect the earning potential of the middle class ? What a self absorbed baffoon! Who cares? You lost and America feels good again. Actually it feels nice and quiet..Covid issues aside. A dark cloud has been lifted....at least for now.
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Post by ptsdthor on Nov 26, 2020 16:16:48 GMT -8
As per his clueless leftist progressive playbook, anyone of color that dare think for themselves, they must be reminded that they are 1st, 2nd and 3rd the victims. And any conservative that has a legitimate gripe with our nation's governance, he only see the skin color and offers a quick reminder that whites are the oppressors. What a putz! And what of the laundry list of enablers that have collectively turned on their own ideals to support the corruption of this administration? Lindsey Graham, Ted Cruz, Jim Jordan and countless others that have flip-flopped their moral perspective like an abandoned puppy stuck at the bottom of a well. Receipts last forever, unfortunately. Another extremely dishonest article that portrays a false image of actual events. Obama built cages, Trump's zero tolerance policy destroyed hundreds of families, killed children and inflicted extreme levels of harm for a wall that was nothing more than a pathetic illusion. Enabling child and human trafficking will be an enduring legacy of Obama/Biden and the progressives that abhor border security. The Mexican Drug Cartels have an undying gratitude to the Democrat Party.
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Post by uwphoto on Nov 26, 2020 16:22:50 GMT -8
And what of the laundry list of enablers that have collectively turned on their own ideals to support the corruption of this administration? Lindsey Graham, Ted Cruz, Jim Jordan and countless others that have flip-flopped their moral perspective like an abandoned puppy stuck at the bottom of a well. Receipts last forever, unfortunately. Another extremely dishonest article that portrays a false image of actual events. Obama built cages, Trump's zero tolerance policy destroyed hundreds of families, killed children and inflicted extreme levels of harm for a wall that was nothing more than a pathetic illusion. Enabling child and human trafficking will be an enduring legacy of Obama/Biden and the progressives that abhor border security. The Mexican Drug Cartels have an undying gratitude to the Democrat Party. QAnon talking points. wow...
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 26, 2020 16:28:34 GMT -8
And what of the laundry list of enablers that have collectively turned on their own ideals to support the corruption of this administration? Lindsey Graham, Ted Cruz, Jim Jordan and countless others that have flip-flopped their moral perspective like an abandoned puppy stuck at the bottom of a well. Receipts last forever, unfortunately. Another extremely dishonest article that portrays a false image of actual events. Obama built cages, Trump's zero tolerance policy destroyed hundreds of families, killed children and inflicted extreme levels of harm for a wall that was nothing more than a pathetic illusion. Enabling child and human trafficking will be an enduring legacy of Obama/Biden and the progressives that abhor border security. The Mexican Drug Cartels have an undying gratitude to the Democrat Party. LOL. I think Donald knows quite a bit about human trafficking.
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Post by ptsdthor on Nov 26, 2020 16:41:48 GMT -8
Enabling child and human trafficking will be an enduring legacy of Obama/Biden and the progressives that abhor border security. The Mexican Drug Cartels have an undying gratitude to the Democrat Party. QAnon talking points. wow... I couldn't defend them either.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Nov 27, 2020 12:57:25 GMT -8
As per his clueless leftist progressive playbook, anyone of color that dare think for themselves, they must be reminded that they are 1st, 2nd and 3rd the victims. And any conservative that has a legitimate gripe with our nation's governance, he only see the skin color and offers a quick reminder that whites are the oppressors. What a putz! And what of the laundry list of enablers that have collectively turned on their own ideals to support the corruption of this administration? Lindsey Graham, Ted Cruz, Jim Jordan and countless others that have flip-flopped their moral perspective like an abandoned puppy stuck at the bottom of a well. Receipts last forever, unfortunately. Another extremely dishonest article that portrays a false image of actual events. Obama built cages, Trump's zero tolerance policy destroyed hundreds of families, killed children and inflicted extreme levels of harm for a wall that was nothing more than a pathetic illusion. Let's see if we can start with a point on which we both agree. We both believe that Donald Trump has been a disappointment as POTUS. * I think he is not very articulate, poorly informed, overly defensive, a bully, and can't maintain focus regarding his policies. * You think he is a monster, a combination of Hitler and Huey Long who is intent of destroying the country. So let's explore the concept of "Trump enablers." I am curious to know just what these persons (miscreants in your opinion, I suppose) should have done. Should they all have refused to service in the administrations? Should they have demanded that Trump be removed from office, perhaps regardless of the tactics used to bring about that result? With respect to what many on the Left are saying, those people simply cannot be allowed to go about their business without being severely punished for the evil they have done. Do I have the right to disagree with you without your calling into question my intelligence or patriotism? On numerous occasions you have criticized me for the heinous crime of not condemning every single thing that Trump or his administration has done. Perhaps the people who accepted positions in the Trump administration did so because they agreed with the President's policies and goals, or --- gasp! --- believed that if the POTOUS asks you to serve, you have obligation to the nation to render that service as best you can? Maybe you, like a number of others, think that Trump supporters should be "banned from polite society." Perhaps they should be prevented from ever again earning a living. What an incredibly hateful idea. No, that can't be right. I'm sure you would never agree with that concept. AzWm
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 27, 2020 15:18:35 GMT -8
And what of the laundry list of enablers that have collectively turned on their own ideals to support the corruption of this administration? Lindsey Graham, Ted Cruz, Jim Jordan and countless others that have flip-flopped their moral perspective like an abandoned puppy stuck at the bottom of a well. Receipts last forever, unfortunately. Another extremely dishonest article that portrays a false image of actual events. Obama built cages, Trump's zero tolerance policy destroyed hundreds of families, killed children and inflicted extreme levels of harm for a wall that was nothing more than a pathetic illusion. Let's see if we can start with a point on which we both agree. We both believe that Donald Trump has been a disappointment as POTUS. * I think he is not very articulate, poorly informed, overly defensive, a bully, and can't maintain focus regarding his policies. * You think he is a monster, a combination of Hitler and Huey Long who is intent of destroying the country. So let's explore the concept of "Trump enablers." I am curious to know just what these persons (miscreants in your opinion, I suppose) should have done. Should they all have refused to service in the administrations? Should they have demanded that Trump be removed from office, perhaps regardless of the tactics used to bring about that result? With respect to what many on the Left are saying, those people simply cannot be allowed to go about their business without being severely punished for the evil they have done. Do I have the right to disagree with you without your calling into question my intelligence or patriotism? On numerous occasions you have criticized me for the heinous crime of not condemning every single thing that Trump or his administration has done. Perhaps the people who accepted positions in the Trump administration did so because they agreed with the President's policies and goals, or --- gasp! --- believed that if the POTOUS asks you to serve, you have obligation to the nation to render that service as best you can? Maybe you, like a number of others, think that Trump supporters should be "banned from polite society." Perhaps they should be prevented from ever again earning a living. What an incredibly hateful idea. No, that can't be right. I'm sure you would never agree with that concept. AzWm You could just stop reaching for desperate, illogical conclusions that you know aren't genuine and save us all the trouble of dealing with ridiculous hyperbole. The specific people I referenced in particular (cowards, scumbags and frauds) all have extensive history with the president. Trump insulted Ted Cruz's wife. He accused Cruz of fraud in 2016. But now Cruz is perpetuating this myth of voter fraud, chumming up to the president like none of that happened. Weird.... Lindsay Graham isn't worth the oxygen he's allowed to breathe. Whether tampering in Georgia, or his infamous hypocrisy about the Supreme Court....yet, he too is now suddenly an ally. Even after Graham accused him of hijacking the debates, lying to the public, calling him "offensive" and my personal favorite - Calling a Trump nomination "a complete, utter, total disaster. If you're a xenophobic, race-baiting, religious bigot, you're going to have a hard time being president." Weird... You're obviously completely stuck in your own head here when it comes to a refusal to understand that impeachment was a valid process, given the Constitutional violations that occurred. A reminder again that a GOP-led committee found that Russian collusion directly aided Trump's election. A reminder again that he did abuse his power in multiple different ways, including asking a foreign government to investigate Joe Biden, live on television. See - I don't really care what you believe. I know Donald Trump sucks as a person, a human and a president. He's a wretched, miserable failure. I've been here the last four years, so I've seen it first hand. I don't believe I ever called him Hitler or Huey Long, but I am not going to sit here and focus on something as trivial as his personality traits and act like they matter as a point of criticism. If you want to be taken seriously, stop with this laughable absurdity of overreaction and just actively TAKE A STANCE against, well, anything that matters. I'll throw you a bone - Trump partnered with Moderna January 13th, 2020 for a COVID vaccine while simultaneously lying, denying, inciting and downplaying the risks to the public. As for what these cowardly enablers should have done? Simple. Vote yes on impeachment. It's literally the only reason he still has a job. The GOP's cowardice to protect their own asses makes them liable for every single disgusting action taken over the last 10 months. Then again, when Jim Jordan is a member of your party, you know something about turning a blind eye.
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 27, 2020 17:16:44 GMT -8
Just so there's clarity here and you can't explain away "TDS" ad nauseum, I'm not...
- Claiming anyone should be ostracized from society.
- Saying anyone should be unfairly persecuted.
- Calling for retribution against those who sold their souls to enable Trump, like Jenna Ellis.
I am :
- Stating that someone of that ilk has no moral defense, knowing what Trump is guilty of doing.
- Calling for someone in tbe GOP to take a firm stance against the dangers that this man still presents.
- Accurately portraying the transgressions of a corrupt individual that has set this country backwards and heightened social divides across the country.
If you don't believe me, or care to, that's fine. Believe Jenna Ellis, who is now the president's legal counsel.
It's one giant grift, as the last four years have been. Whether it's hiring personal friends for unqualified posts, profiting off taxpayers, stealing money from charities or just being ambivalent or nonchalant towards American deaths during the pandemic. There are countless reasons to be infuriated with the conduct of the president.
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Post by uwphoto on Nov 27, 2020 19:05:26 GMT -8
And what of the laundry list of enablers that have collectively turned on their own ideals to support the corruption of this administration? Lindsey Graham, Ted Cruz, Jim Jordan and countless others that have flip-flopped their moral perspective like an abandoned puppy stuck at the bottom of a well. Receipts last forever, unfortunately. Another extremely dishonest article that portrays a false image of actual events. Obama built cages, Trump's zero tolerance policy destroyed hundreds of families, killed children and inflicted extreme levels of harm for a wall that was nothing more than a pathetic illusion. Let's see if we can start with a point on which we both agree. We both believe that Donald Trump has been a disappointment as POTUS. * I think he is not very articulate, poorly informed, overly defensive, a bully, and can't maintain focus regarding his policies. * You think he is a monster, a combination of Hitler and Huey Long who is intent of destroying the country. So let's explore the concept of "Trump enablers." I am curious to know just what these persons (miscreants in your opinion, I suppose) should have done. Should they all have refused to service in the administrations? Should they have demanded that Trump be removed from office, perhaps regardless of the tactics used to bring about that result? With respect to what many on the Left are saying, those people simply cannot be allowed to go about their business without being severely punished for the evil they have done. Do I have the right to disagree with you without your calling into question my intelligence or patriotism? On numerous occasions you have criticized me for the heinous crime of not condemning every single thing that Trump or his administration has done. Perhaps the people who accepted positions in the Trump administration did so because they agreed with the President's policies and goals, or --- gasp! --- believed that if the POTOUS asks you to serve, you have obligation to the nation to render that service as best you can? Maybe you, like a number of others, think that Trump supporters should be "banned from polite society." Perhaps they should be prevented from ever again earning a living. What an incredibly hateful idea. No, that can't be right. I'm sure you would never agree with that concept. AzWm William, whoever blindly supported this whack job needs to own him, including you! trump is a terrible human being who single handedly tried to destroy America. He is from the Steve Bannon school of "flood the zone with excrement" thus keeping the masses off balance making them easier to control and manipulate. Thankfully, enough people in America were smart enough to see his bull$#!+ and voted him out. trump is a give him an inch, he'll take a mile, kind of guy, so the only recourse is to not treat him nicely and don't lose focus. You will see the benefit as soon as things calm down and people are actually happy again. Make America Great Again...are you f****** kidding me? In my 66 years I have never seen anything worse...and we could go down the list if you like.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Nov 27, 2020 23:18:14 GMT -8
Let's see if we can start with a point on which we both agree. We both believe that Donald Trump has been a disappointment as POTUS. * I think he is not very articulate, poorly informed, overly defensive, a bully, and can't maintain focus regarding his policies. * You think he is a monster, a combination of Hitler and Huey Long who is intent of destroying the country. So let's explore the concept of "Trump enablers." I am curious to know just what these persons (miscreants in your opinion, I suppose) should have done. Should they all have refused to service in the administrations? Should they have demanded that Trump be removed from office, perhaps regardless of the tactics used to bring about that result? With respect to what many on the Left are saying, those people simply cannot be allowed to go about their business without being severely punished for the evil they have done. Do I have the right to disagree with you without your calling into question my intelligence or patriotism? On numerous occasions you have criticized me for the heinous crime of not condemning every single thing that Trump or his administration has done. Perhaps the people who accepted positions in the Trump administration did so because they agreed with the President's policies and goals, or --- gasp! --- believed that if the POTOUS asks you to serve, you have obligation to the nation to render that service as best you can? Maybe you, like a number of others, think that Trump supporters should be "banned from polite society." Perhaps they should be prevented from ever again earning a living. What an incredibly hateful idea. No, that can't be right. I'm sure you would never agree with that concept. AzWm William, whoever blindly supported this whack job needs to own him, including you! trump is a terrible human being who single handedly tried to destroy America. He is from the Steve Bannon school of "flood the zone with excrement" thus keeping the masses off balance making them easier to control and manipulate. Thankfully, enough people in America were smart enough to see his bull$#!+ and voted him out. trump is a give him an inch, he'll take a mile, kind of guy, so the only recourse is to not treat him nicely and don't lose focus. You will see the benefit as soon as things calm down and people are actually happy again. Make America Great Again...are you f****** kidding me? In my 66 years I have never seen anything worse...and we could go down the list if you like. My god, man, can you read? I have stated again and again that I neither supported nor voted for Donald Trump. I don't "own" him any more than I "own" any public figure. Which is to say not at all. You and Ryan seem to be on the same page. Anything short of a 100% condemnation of Donald Trump counts as supporting the man in your eyes. A 98% condemnation will not do. Rubbish! You were not around to pay attention to the 1952 presidential election. I was. And to all the elections since then. Based on my observations, it is obvious to me that Donald Trump is clearly the least well-prepared man to run for the office of the Presidency of the U.S. I have never said anything else. I don't know how you interpret the words the least well-prepared man to even run for the office of the Presidency of the U.S. I would hope that you understand those words to be a strong condemnation of the man with respect to his fitness to serve as POTUS. That's the most you will get out of me. It is the most you deserve. I suspect that Joe Bidden will be worthy of my criticism on many occasions. On the other hand, I will not hesitate to praise him when praise is justified. (I will, for instance, be delighted if he turns out not to be the easily manipulated empty suit that I fear he is.) The degree of hatred for Trump which many people display is, in my non-clinical opinion very, very sick. When that hatred extends to wanting to destroy anyone associated with Trump, we face a threat to our political system. No country has a future when people start to believe that those who voted for the other party are enemies rather than simply Americans who do not see things the way we do. AzWm
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 27, 2020 23:43:27 GMT -8
William, whoever blindly supported this whack job needs to own him, including you! trump is a terrible human being who single handedly tried to destroy America. He is from the Steve Bannon school of "flood the zone with excrement" thus keeping the masses off balance making them easier to control and manipulate. Thankfully, enough people in America were smart enough to see his bull$#!+ and voted him out. trump is a give him an inch, he'll take a mile, kind of guy, so the only recourse is to not treat him nicely and don't lose focus. You will see the benefit as soon as things calm down and people are actually happy again. Make America Great Again...are you f****** kidding me? In my 66 years I have never seen anything worse...and we could go down the list if you like. My god, man, can you read? I have stated again and again that I neither supported nor voted for Donald Trump. I don't "own" him any more than I "own" any public figure. Which is to say not at all. You and Ryan seem to be on the same page. Anything short of a 100% condemnation of Donald Trump counts as supporting the man in your eyes. A 98% condemnation will not do. Rubbish! You were not around to pay attention to the 1952 presidential election. I was. And to all the elections since then. Based on my observations, it is obvious to me that Donald Trump is clearly the least well-prepared man to run for the office of the Presidency of the U.S. I have never said anything else. I don't know how you interpret the words the least well-prepared man to even run for the office of the Presidency of the U.S. I would hope that you understand those words to be a strong condemnation of the man with respect to his fitness to serve as POTUS. That's the most you will get out of me. It is the most you deserve. I suspect that Joe Bidden will be worthy of my criticism on many occasions. On the other hand, I will not hesitate to praise him when praise is justified. (I will, for instance, be delighted if he turns out not to be the easily manipulated empty suit that I fear he is.) The degree of hatred for Trump which many people display is, in my non-clinical opinion very, very sick. When that hatred extends to wanting to destroy anyone associated with Trump, we face a threat to our political system. No country has a future when people start to believe that those who voted for the other party are enemies rather than simply Americans who do not see things the way we do. AzWm I would settle for anything remotely resembling an actual condemnation that isn't replaced with "But the Left has been out to get him and they are mean" two sentences later. What we deserve? Well, at least we're actually transparent with our confirmations. Cool, he's unprepared to be president. How about unfit? How about he demonstrates psychopathic tendencies? How about he has conned the American public for an entire term, engaging in fraudulent behavior, racist rhetoric and divisive actions towards the marginalized LGBTQ community? How about trying to repeal the Affordable Care Act, lying about it on several occasions during a pandemic while people actually died? Things you openly won't comment on? The only saving grace from the last 8 months is they effectively illustrated the lack of leadership, competency and engagement that will cost this race-baiting, xenophpbic, religious bigot his job. And let's be perfectly crystal clear...He deserves every ounce of hate he gets. He has damaged this country's reputation and its integrity. For his narcissism, his pettiness, his refusal to demonstrate any empathy towards anyone. He's not Adolf Hitler, as Adolf Hitler had unchecked, concentrated state control without counteractions. They have more than a few things in common, but that's unimportant. The nightmare doesn't end with him, unfortunately. We still have plenty of work to do to get people like Ted Cruz, Jim Jordan, Mitch McConnell and others out. Keep in mind that while massive unemployment and death has gripped this country, Mitch McConnell tried to pass legislation that provided no direct aid to anyone. Twice.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Nov 28, 2020 17:30:18 GMT -8
Bravo, Ryan! A major breakthrough for you. You agree that Trump is not Hitler. (Or is it just that Trump really wanted to be another Hitler, but since he did not have his own Sturmabteilung, he had to be satisfied with tweeting. Nah! I'll go with the first conclusion.)
Here's the thing. It is possible (which I believe to be the case in this situation) to have two simultaneous realities. One reality is that Donald Trump is sadly lacking as POTUS. The other reality is that the opposition from the day after the 2016 election determined to do whatever they could to overturn that election.
I think it was unfortunate that the Democrats/Left would not be satisfied with being the traditional loyal opposition. Never before have House members of the losing party boycotted the inauguration (over 60 did so). Never before have efforts to impeach the newly elected POTUS been started almost from the day of the inauguration. Perhaps worst of all were the dishonest attempts to tar the President with a phony dossier filled with garbage. (We now know that the FBI knew all along that the dossier was phony, but continued to use it anyway to convince the FSI court.)
As objectionable as much of Trump's behavior has been, nothing justified what the Left has done. If you think a President is bad, you work as hard as you can to win the next election. You don't do what the Left has done. Well, not unless you want your country to begin looking like a Banana Republic. And you absolutely do not, after winning the election, make attempts to punish those who worked for the outgoing administration.
AzWm
PS: This is really on a different topic, but I'll add it anyway. If the GOP wants to help America remain a multi-party country, it will find a way to make sure that Donald Trump does not run for President in 2024.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Nov 28, 2020 17:36:30 GMT -8
What I find interesting, and unfortunate, is that when I post what I think are ideas of importance with respect to this country's political health, they are ignored. I would sure like to know, for instance, how others react to this one:
No country has a future when people start to believe that those who voted for the other party are enemies rather than simply Americans who do not see things the way we do.
AzWm
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Post by uwphoto on Nov 28, 2020 17:42:58 GMT -8
What I find interesting, and unfortunate, is that when I post what I think are ideas of importance with respect to this country's political health, they are ignored. I would sure like to know, for instance, how others react to this one: No country has a future when people start to believe that those who voted for the other party are enemies rather than simply Americans who do not see things the way we do.AzWm You mean like "enemy of the American people"?
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 28, 2020 18:45:14 GMT -8
Bravo, Ryan! A major breakthrough for you. You agree that Trump is not Hitler. (Or is it just that Trump really wanted to be another Hitler, but since he did not have his own Sturmabteilung, he had to be satisfied with tweeting. Nah! I'll go with the first conclusion.) Here's the thing. It is possible (which I believe to be the case in this situation) to have two simultaneous realities. One reality is that Donald Trump is sadly lacking as POTUS. The other reality is that the opposition from the day after the 2016 election determined to do whatever they could to overturn that election. I think it was unfortunate that the Democrats/Left would not be satisfied with being the traditional loyal opposition. Never before have House members of the losing party boycotted the inauguration (over 60 did so). Never before have efforts to impeach the newly elected POTUS been started almost from the day of the inauguration. Perhaps worst of all were the dishonest attempts to tar the President with a phony dossier filled with garbage. (We now know that the FBI knew all along that the dossier was phony, but continued to use it anyway to convince the FSI court.) As objectionable as much of Trump's behavior has been, nothing justified what the Left has done. If you think a President is bad, you work as hard as you can to win the next election. You don't do what the Left has done. Well, not unless you want your country to begin looking like a Banana Republic. And you absolutely do not, after winning the election, make attempts to punish those who worked for the outgoing administration. AzWm PS: This is really on a different topic, but I'll add it anyway. If the GOP wants to help America remain a multi-party country, it will find a way to make sure that Donald Trump does not run for President in 2024. There are still way too many reaches here. If you can't accept impeachment as valid, you're never going to get out in front. Period. You continue to paint the president as a victim, whether you realize it or not. And by the way, this is not the first boycott of an inauguration....So can we correct that? Fairly common practice dating back to pre-Nixon. time.com/4636736/inauguration-boycott-1973/They were fully within their rights to do so, as we now know (and should have known then) that the 2016 election was a sham, designed to elect Trump. Russian interference, disinformation and propaganda directly influenced Trump's win. The rest of your post is nonsense, but not worth rehashing the litany of offenses that warrant the "left's" behavior. Donald Trump has tarnished this country. He's undermined democracy, he's committed high crimes. But since you believe it's all a witch hunt, that's probably a non-starter.
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 28, 2020 18:53:40 GMT -8
What I find interesting, and unfortunate, is that when I post what I think are ideas of importance with respect to this country's political health, they are ignored. I would sure like to know, for instance, how others react to this one: No country has a future when people start to believe that those who voted for the other party are enemies rather than simply Americans who do not see things the way we do.AzWm I think it's even more applicable to the right-wing, extreme views that have been launched over the last four years and even moreso in the last four weeks. There are people who believe actively that Biden stole this election. There are actually citizens of this country that believe Trump has done nothing wrong since 2016. There are people who actually believe Detroit has more votes than it does people. When you exploit the masses as Trump has done, to feed into paranoia, falsehoods, racism, hatred and divide, that IS actual danger. It undermines every single foundation that this nation was built on. The Georgia Secretary of State (who Trump loved in 2018, yet now claims to not know him) is getting death threats, sexualized malice from outsiders targeting his wife...because he certified the election? If you're going to throw stones at one party, have the moral backbone here to point fingers at the other side, who is you know, actually guilty of tampering with votes, intimidating voters, disenfranchising hundreds of thousands of Black voters and doing it right in front of your eyes, with no attempt to hide it. I have a question : Why is the Trump campaign in Michigan so focused on Detroit and Wayne County, which is predominantly Black, yet completely ignoring the suburbs where Trump lost ground with white voters? Coincidence? This is Trump's America.
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