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Post by jp92grad on Nov 15, 2020 9:52:02 GMT -8
At this point the coaches have never seen him play, have not met him and he has never been on campus. They may want both sides to look each other over better before making a signed 4 year commitment. Especially if they are planning to take only two freshman this year. Slowing the roll on this makes sense. It is great that Keshad has made this recommendation that has resulted in an offer. But, the coaches need to do their due diligence on all guys coming in. Then why did they make the offer, seems kinda strange that they make offer recruit commits then signing period then ....nothing.....! Where did you find the info that the coaches have never seen him play?
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Post by ignoranus on Nov 15, 2020 10:24:27 GMT -8
It was in a statement referenced on this website, IIRC. He may have said it himself.
I have seen no stats on his play from last year, and he was the backup to anther guy that has gone on to D1 a schollie. So, there may not be much film on him. He also has not had this past summer to showcase his skills versus other top players because of COVID.
For the above reasons he is an under the radar guy. The comments from his HS coach are worth reading.
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Post by jpaztec on Nov 15, 2020 12:15:45 GMT -8
I trust Eric Bossi with Rivals as much as any scout in the game. If he says this guy is a fringe 150 player, who is younger than most, and has a TON of upside...I'm thrilled with the pickup.
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Post by fastaztec on Nov 15, 2020 17:48:36 GMT -8
I trust Eric Bossi with Rivals as much as any scout in the game. If he says this guy is a fringe 150 player, who is younger than most, and has a TON of upside...I'm thrilled with the pickup. **************** If he doesn't sign early he is not coming.
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Post by Den60 on Nov 16, 2020 11:27:51 GMT -8
At this point the coaches have never seen him play, have not met him and he has never been on campus. They may want both sides to look each other over better before making a signed 4 year commitment. Especially if they are planning to take only two freshman this year. Slowing the roll on this makes sense. It is great that Keshad has made this recommendation that has resulted in an offer. But, the coaches need to do their due diligence on all guys coming in. Then why did they make the offer, seems kinda strange that they make offer recruit commits then signing period then ....nothing.....! Where did you find the info that the coaches have never seen him play? Because of COVID restrictions they have not met him in person and he was not on their radar before COVID. I am sure they have seen film on him and I know Keshad was telling coaches about the guy. Sounds like a lot of our type of players, long, athletic though a bit raw.
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Post by sdcoug on Nov 16, 2020 11:55:28 GMT -8
I trust Eric Bossi with Rivals as much as any scout in the game. If he says this guy is a fringe 150 player, who is younger than most, and has a TON of upside...I'm thrilled with the pickup. **************** If he doesn't sign early he is not coming. Based on what?
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Post by fastaztec on Nov 16, 2020 14:53:14 GMT -8
**************** If he doesn't sign early he is not coming. Based on what? ****((( Commitment or lack thereof. What possible reason is there for not signing now if he is truly committed. Only possible reason I can think of is the parents won't sign off because he is not 18. Which is a major problem in itself!
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Post by Frantic on Nov 16, 2020 14:59:17 GMT -8
****((( Commitment or lack thereof. What possible reason is there for not signing now if he is truly committed. Only possible reason I can think of is the parents won't sign off because he is not 18. Which is a major problem in itself! Yet even signing means nothing. Just ask Brodericks Jones, who fortunately decided to take his talent elsewhere.
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Post by sdcoug on Nov 16, 2020 15:09:25 GMT -8
****((( Commitment or lack thereof. What possible reason is there for not signing now if he is truly committed. Only possible reason I can think of is the parents won't sign off because he is not 18. Which is a major problem in itself! There are a ton of reasons for not signing, yet committing. You want to hold your place, from a recruit's perspective, but at the same time you want to see how the roster evolves over time. If I was the parent of D1 basketball player there's no way I'd want him to sign until the latter period for many reasons, none of which would mean I wouldn't want him to sign there eventually. One common one is waiting to see who's on the coaching staff. If he's tight with Morris he might want to wait until after the season to see if Morris gets a higher gig. Could also be grades. If he's not academically eligible we not have let him sign. SDSU may go out & land a FR/SO transfer big in the spring, which may delay his progression, so why be in a position where you have to be released from your LOI when it's not necessary? A LOT of committed players didn't sign. UNLV had a player commit but not sign, as did New Mexico. Not signing last week is far from a guarantee he's not "committed" or that he's not going to sign eventually. Using your argument, why commit if he's not going to eventually sign? Why bother?
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Post by jp92grad on Nov 16, 2020 15:25:24 GMT -8
****((( Commitment or lack thereof. What possible reason is there for not signing now if he is truly committed. Only possible reason I can think of is the parents won't sign off because he is not 18. Which is a major problem in itself! There are a ton of reasons for not signing, yet committing. You want to hold your place, from a recruit's perspective, but at the same time you want to see how the roster evolves over time. If I was the parent of D1 basketball player there's no way I'd want him to sign until the latter period for many reasons, none of which would mean I wouldn't want him to sign there eventually. One common one is waiting to see who's on the coaching staff. If he's tight with Morris he might want to wait until after the season to see if Morris gets a higher gig. Could also be grades. If he's not academically eligible we not have let him sign. SDSU may go out & land a FR/SO transfer big in the spring, which may delay his progression, so why be in a position where you have to be released from your LOI when it's not necessary? A LOT of committed players didn't sign. UNLV had a player commit but not sign, as did New Mexico. Not signing last week is far from a guarantee he's not "committed" or that he's not going to sign eventually. Using your argument, why commit if he's not going to eventually sign? Why bother? Okay I'll play, You came about from the players side what about the teams side! You will recall what Rocky use to say "if you don't want to be an Aztec NOW we don't need you, moving on". The team may have a need and want now for that position and feel you would be a great fit but if you choose to wait we will find someone else later. I will say I am more on your side about waiting to see what pans out. If I was a one and done different story but if I am a solid 3-4 star and know that the NBA is miles away at this point I would be looking at the best possible opportunity for progressing as a player AND also best preparation for life after college (Graduation rate, over-seas ball, career assistance, networking and job placement...)
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Post by sdcoug on Nov 17, 2020 0:11:42 GMT -8
There are a ton of reasons for not signing, yet committing. You want to hold your place, from a recruit's perspective, but at the same time you want to see how the roster evolves over time. If I was the parent of D1 basketball player there's no way I'd want him to sign until the latter period for many reasons, none of which would mean I wouldn't want him to sign there eventually. One common one is waiting to see who's on the coaching staff. If he's tight with Morris he might want to wait until after the season to see if Morris gets a higher gig. Could also be grades. If he's not academically eligible we not have let him sign. SDSU may go out & land a FR/SO transfer big in the spring, which may delay his progression, so why be in a position where you have to be released from your LOI when it's not necessary? A LOT of committed players didn't sign. UNLV had a player commit but not sign, as did New Mexico. Not signing last week is far from a guarantee he's not "committed" or that he's not going to sign eventually. Using your argument, why commit if he's not going to eventually sign? Why bother? Okay I'll play, You came about from the players side what about the teams side! You will recall what Rocky use to say "if you don't want to be an Aztec NOW we don't need you, moving on". The team may have a need and want now for that position and feel you would be a great fit but if you choose to wait we will find someone else later. I will say I am more on your side about waiting to see what pans out. If I was a one and done different story but if I am a solid 3-4 star and know that the NBA is miles away at this point I would be looking at the best possible opportunity for progressing as a player AND also best preparation for life after college (Graduation rate, over-seas ball, career assistance, networking and job placement...) This doesn't hurt the team at all, and they may actually welcome it. Rocky was referring to someone who had left or decommited, which is extremely different than committing and not signing. Dutch has a lot of potential openings and the roster will be remade yet again via the transfer market. If Dutch fills it with a big transfer, that changes the equation for both the Aztecs and Johnson. The only thing him signing changes is he'd have to ask to be released if the situation does in fact change. Doesn't mean he doesn't want to be here nor that we don't want him. Says nothing of the kind. You're making a huge leap to imply him not signing early means he won't sign period. There's nothing to indicate that at all.
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Post by azteccc on Nov 17, 2020 12:39:31 GMT -8
hmmm
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Post by redaztec5150 on Nov 17, 2020 13:01:50 GMT -8
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Post by bballfan11 on Nov 17, 2020 14:11:21 GMT -8
Welcome to the Mesa Demarshay!
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Post by standiego on Nov 18, 2020 10:37:15 GMT -8
Nice to see his named on the dotted line
By the way heard Zeigler on the radio . He feels so far that Nathan has shown the greatest growth of the returning players . In his opinion Nathan used to have to be able to take step A and then think about doing step B and then step C .Step by step . Now he is able to go from A to C without hesitation . At a practice this past weekend . He saw Nathan take off from close to the FT and do a windmill style dunk . Everyone turned to see who it was - as they had not seen Nathan be able to that . Now hope he can stay healthy .
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Post by sdcoug on Nov 18, 2020 11:55:23 GMT -8
Nice to see his named on the dotted line By the way heard Zeigler on the radio . He feels so far that Nathan has shown the greatest growth of the returning players . In his opinion Nathan used to have to be able to take step A and then think about doing step B and then step C .Step by step . Now he is able to go from A to C without hesitation . At a practice this past weekend . He saw Nathan take off from close to the FT and do a windmill style dunk . Everyone turned to see who it was - as they had not seen Nathan be able to that . Now hope he can stay healthy . He stole that from Dutch's press conference, since that's exactly what he said. He's gone from an A-to-B-to-C player to an occasional A-to-C play within the offense. They won't have to set up plays to get him involved offensively, like they used to. I hope EVERYONE can stay healthy. Seems more & more rare this year, given long layoffs, fewer intense workouts, etc. SO many injuries in football.... Just hope it doesn't translate the same to hoops.
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Post by dlangford9 on Nov 18, 2020 13:41:02 GMT -8
If Dutch follows his (and Coach Fisher’s) usual approach to the starting line early in the season with experienced players... we will probably see Pullman, Seiko, Schakel, Mitchell and Mensah on the floor. Relative to other teams, that is a VERY experienced group. Which would be exactly what we need in a weird season, with a very heavy loaded first month+ to start. Do t be surprised if we go 5-1 or 4-2 in the OOC.
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Post by sdcoug on Nov 19, 2020 9:34:05 GMT -8
If Dutch follows his (and Coach Fisher’s) usual approach to the starting line early in the season with experienced players... we will probably see Pullman, Seiko, Schakel, Mitchell and Mensah on the floor. Relative to other teams, that is a VERY experienced group. Which would be exactly what we need in a weird season, with a very heavy loaded first month+ to start. Do t be surprised if we go 5-1 or 4-2 in the OOC. I think Gomez gets the start over Seiko, but he's also very experienced. The other 3 who will most likely be in the rotation - AG, Tomiac & Keshad, haven't had a lot of floor time but have been around as well. Especially AG & Tomiac. Experience isn't an issue. We may only see 1 of the 3 FR getting much PT, especially given the lack of cupcakes this year. Currently, we have 5 non-con games scheduled, and going 3-2 isn't going to be easy. Experience or no experience. We've lined up a bunch of experienced non-con opponents, so any edge we have in that dept will be minor, if any.
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Post by standiego on Nov 19, 2020 12:35:38 GMT -8
would not say Zeigler stole the comment about Nathan's development - it was a combination of the answer Dutcher gave to Zeigler's question about Nathan . Thought Zeigler also mentioned that he was at the practice when Nathan made his move to the basket - from close to the FT line and finished with a windmill style dunk - a move most expect to come from Keshad . Dutcher also said Keshad has also shown development on using his very athletic skills . Has all the tools but important to be able to use them at the right place and time . Will be in the battle for PT / rotation Per Zeigler Most first year players see the game coming at them at about 1000 miles per hour - but as they gain experience it slows down and they are able to make plays . Matt had the same thing now -things come to him at about 10 mph . Expects to be in the fight for minutes in the rotation .
Dutcher also saying that he feels that Adam Seiko is a valuable part of the team - could be the defensive lock down type of guy that will be needed at the guard spot . Ability to help the team in a variety of ways as needed . Zeigler has seen Gomez make a lot of shots in practice from all over the court but the key will be how will he be able the constant challenge on defense . Zeigler thinks Trey P will be the facilitator PG - has good skills but there is a difference when you are a reserve as he was last year , and at the JC level to this year when the PG will need to be able to perform at a high level from the opening tip off .
We also have the most difficult OOC games we have ever had in Dutcher's time at SDSU - teams we will be playing are expected to be in the top 1-3 in their conference . Teams that are coming off 20 win seasons . But that is what Dutcher has told recruits that we will be playing against some of the best competition . So could be a very difficult start of the season - but fortunate to have an experienced guys on the team . So the new guys will have to earn their PT .
Dutcher very excited to have D. J next year - hopes to see development similar to Nathan or Keshad or Skylar . Not sure they will add another freshman during the early signing time . As there are the new rules about players getting additional year , no sit transfer ...
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Post by missiontrails on Nov 19, 2020 12:48:46 GMT -8
If Dutch follows his (and Coach Fisher’s) usual approach to the starting line early in the season with experienced players... we will probably see Pullman, Seiko, Schakel, Mitchell and Mensah on the floor. Relative to other teams, that is a VERY experienced group. Which would be exactly what we need in a weird season, with a very heavy loaded first month+ to start. Do t be surprised if we go 5-1 or 4-2 in the OOC. I think Gomez gets the start over Seiko, but he's also very experienced. The other 3 who will most likely be in the rotation - AG, Tomiac & Keshad, haven't had a lot of floor time but have been around as well. Especially AG & Tomiac. Experience isn't an issue. We may only see 1 of the 3 FR getting much PT, especially given the lack of cupcakes this year. Currently, we have 5 non-con games scheduled, and going 3-2 isn't going to be easy. Experience or no experience. We've lined up a bunch of experienced non-con opponents, so any edge we have in that dept will be minor, if any. I'm sure we'll find some cupcakes in our 20-game MWC schedule.
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