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Post by 94sdsu on Sept 26, 2020 8:53:03 GMT -8
Apparently the 1st vote yesterday was 7-5 in favor of starting early, with UCLA, UW, Stanford, Cal & Colorado dissenting. Colorado makes sense, given recent Boulder County rule about 18-22-year-olds gathering, and Stanford can afford to miss a year. But surprised by the others. When that happened, Utah threatened to leave the P12 for the B12, and USC threatened to go independent for a year (or two). That brought everyone back in line & they voted unanimously. Utah & Colorado have been very upset with the P12 lately, and UA & ASU have been for a while. Might we see chaos eventually and some shifts? If those 4 start to move, the doors (to both conferences) may be ajar. I do think kudo's need to be given to the MWC - they voted after the P12 yet decided to play 2 weeks prior. The P12 is really a sh#@ sh#@ right now. Where did you hear or read about Utah threatening to leave and USC threatening indepence? Its not on any of the major websites?
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Post by AztecPhil on Sept 26, 2020 9:20:17 GMT -8
I do not think, at this level egos matter as much as the bottom line, and getting to the bottom line is not restrictive to only football revenue and expenses. However, I have put together the following chart on football TV revenue by conference, yet this is a limited view for the 2020 season and it does not include any separate TV agreements between networks or stations and colleges, and it does not reflect on seat sales. Nor does this chart consider how much the conference takes before distribution to the member schools. Conference revenue is in millions of dollars. Conference | ESPN/ABC | FOX | CBS | Total | Members | Split | SEC | 166 | | 70 | 236 | 14 | 16.9 | Big Ten | 185 | 232 | | 417 | 14 | 29.8 | ACC | 160 | | | 160 | 15 | 10.7 | Big 12 | 121 | 91 | | 212 | 10 | 21.2 | PAC 12 | 111 | 111 | | 222 | 12 | 18.5 | AAC | 21 | | | 21 | 11 | 1.9 | Mid American | 23 | | | 23 | 12 | 1.9 | Mountain West | | 20 | 20 | 40 | 12 | 3.3 |
Source of info: www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2020/06/08/heres-the-college-football-tv-money-at-stake-for-each-conference-and-network/#2db3f2497dc9Note I do wonder about some of the numbers reported by the source. Summary, I would doubt any school is going to readily jump conferences unless there is some sort of reward in that jump.
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Post by Boise Aztec on Sept 26, 2020 13:55:49 GMT -8
Utah, Colorado, ASU and Arizona all have issues with the way the California, Oregon and UW schools treat them. Especially, Utah and Colorado. UofU would go to the B12 in a heartbeat. I have heard things like this in the past. Are you aware of any specific examples of poor treatment by these schools/administrators? Utah does not have the same thought process about most things and have had “culture” clashes with the other schools and feel like they are treated like “ they are lucky to be in the conference by the old boys” The same for ASU and UA and to a lesser extent Colorado... I know folks that are “leaders” in the University of Utah system and have heard stories of how the meetings go.
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Post by Boise Aztec on Sept 26, 2020 13:57:47 GMT -8
The thing is, we've been hearing this kind of talk for a few years now, and nothing has happened. The Big 12 would take any of those schools without a second thought. If UofA, ASU, CU or UU really want to leave, they could have done so. They've chose to put up with the weirdness to remain with the Pac-12. One explanation: the Pac-12 is far stronger academically, and that matters to college presidents. They are “tied” in right now for several more years... If you “legally” can’t get a divorce for another three years, then you may not want to tell the other party until you get closer. As we have seen in the past these things are quite and then kick up pretty quick...
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Post by Boise Aztec on Sept 26, 2020 14:31:07 GMT -8
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Post by aztecfan1 on Sept 26, 2020 20:36:33 GMT -8
Would be interesting to know the source of this very classified conversation that I don't see yet in any media. The source is sdcoug and he has a magic 8ball. He does seem to have a lot of reliable information which is good to see him post on here. 😁 Sources don’t need magic 8-balls like fortune tellers. Lets define terms. Sdcoug is not a “source “ any more than you or I are. He has his information that he drops here. He might possibly be right — if what he is dropping here is corroborated by a real source. That would be a univ prez, AD, or coach — “we’re bolting for greener pastures “ has no veracity coming from posters on a sports board. I get a kick out of the blabber on this board by those who think our Aztecs have arrived in the majors of college athletics. The p5 is solid, needs no others now. It may happen in your lifetime, but probably not mine. Dream on .
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Post by survalli on Sept 26, 2020 22:23:07 GMT -8
The source is sdcoug and he has a magic 8ball. He does seem to have a lot of reliable information which is good to see him post on here. 😁 Sources don’t need magic 8-balls like fortune tellers. Lets define terms. Sdcoug is not a “source “ any more than you or I are. He has his information that he drops here. He might possibly be right — if what he is dropping here is corroborated by a real source. That would be a univ prez, AD, or coach — “we’re bolting for greener pastures “ has no veracity coming from posters on a sports board. I get a kick out of the blabber on this board by those who think our Aztecs have arrived in the majors of college athletics. The p5 is solid, needs no others now. It may happen in your lifetime, but probably not mine. Dream on . his information was widely reported in media. i believe it was first dropped by 247 sports/
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Post by Old School on Sept 26, 2020 22:29:32 GMT -8
I'd never turn down an offer for Power 5 "resources". Hell, we were with the Big East for a short time. Oldie Out
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Post by sdcoug on Sept 26, 2020 23:41:08 GMT -8
Sources don’t need magic 8-balls like fortune tellers. Lets define terms. Sdcoug is not a “source “ any more than you or I are. He has his information that he drops here. He might possibly be right — if what he is dropping here is corroborated by a real source. That would be a univ prez, AD, or coach — “we’re bolting for greener pastures “ has no veracity coming from posters on a sports board. I get a kick out of the blabber on this board by those who think our Aztecs have arrived in the majors of college athletics. The p5 is solid, needs no others now. It may happen in your lifetime, but probably not mine. Dream on . his information was widely reported in media. i believe it was first dropped by 247 sports/ Correct, thru sources at UCLA originally.
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Post by FAULK U on Sept 27, 2020 10:37:03 GMT -8
If true, great bluff by U of U. Their fans are very proud of themselves for being in the Pac and all that comes with it, rightfully so, but I think in their minds it holds much more cache than the Big 12. Being seen in CA and the other Pac 12 demo seems really important to them. I'd love to know the inside scoop. Inquiring minds.....
Lindley is on the Utah coaching staff now. I Didn't know that until recently.
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Post by Boise Aztec on Sept 27, 2020 12:03:04 GMT -8
If true, great bluff by U of U. Their fans are very proud of themselves for being in the Pac and all that comes with it, rightfully so, but I think in their minds it holds much more cache than the Big 12. Being seen in CA and the other Pac 12 demo seems really important to them. I'd love to know the inside scoop. Inquiring minds..... Lindley is on the Utah coaching staff now. I Didn't know that until recently. This is all incorrect, they were super happy to be invited to the P12 and thought it would mean legitimacy, but they have been treated like a little brother that should be happy to just be around, go over there and be quite while the adults are deciding to do next... fact
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Post by FAULK U on Sept 27, 2020 12:45:49 GMT -8
If true, great bluff by U of U. Their fans are very proud of themselves for being in the Pac and all that comes with it, rightfully so, but I think in their minds it holds much more cache than the Big 12. Being seen in CA and the other Pac 12 demo seems really important to them. I'd love to know the inside scoop. Inquiring minds..... Lindley is on the Utah coaching staff now. I Didn't know that until recently. This is all incorrect, they were super happy to be invited to the P12 and thought it would mean legitimacy, but they have been treated like a little brother that should be happy to just be around, go over there and be quite while the adults are deciding to do next... fact Very interesting for sure. I work with multiple U of U alums and several former football players so it sounds like the admin feels differently than the folks I work with who aren’t privy to the inside stuff. Utah has had their share of PR situations that they haven’t handled well, in my opinion, lately.
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Post by 🥸 Hopeless Aztec on Sept 28, 2020 3:56:32 GMT -8
If true, great bluff by U of U. Their fans are very proud of themselves for being in the Pac and all that comes with it, rightfully so, but I think in their minds it holds much more cache than the Big 12. Being seen in CA and the other Pac 12 demo seems really important to them. I'd love to know the inside scoop. Inquiring minds..... Lindley is on the Utah coaching staff now. I Didn't know that until recently. This is all incorrect, they were super happy to be invited to the P12 and thought it would mean legitimacy, but they have been treated like a little brother that should be happy to just be around, go over there and be quite while the adults are deciding to do next... fact This is probably what would happen if we ever got an invite and joined. A lot of things would have to fall in place for this to ever happen. I am not sure we would ever NOT be looked down on UNTIL we start kicking their AZZes on a consistent basis.
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Post by Old School on Sept 28, 2020 6:36:00 GMT -8
This is all incorrect, they were super happy to be invited to the P12 and thought it would mean legitimacy, but they have been treated like a little brother that should be happy to just be around, go over there and be quite while the adults are deciding to do next... fact This is probably what would happen if we ever got an invite and joined. A lot of things would have to fall in place for this to ever happen. I am not sure we would ever NOT be looked down on UNTIL we start kicking their AZZes on a consistent basis. The price you pay for being the "FNG" aka Effing New Guy. Oldie Out
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