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Post by FULL_MONTY on Sept 12, 2020 20:24:07 GMT -8
mynbc15.com/news/local/university-of-south-alabama-prepares-for-first-football-game-in-new-stadiumThey opened up their new digs today....Hancock Whitney Stadium Two Years to build, $75M in cost, and estimates are they received $10M in naming rights. Congrats to USA. Here are the last 4 stadiums built and their cost: South Alabama - 2020 - $75M - 25K capacity - $3k a seat Colorado St. - 2017 - $220M - 41K capacity - $5.3K a seat Tulane - 2014 - $75M - 30K capacity - $2,500 a seat Houston - 2014 - $120M - 40K capacity - $3,000 a seat San Diego State - $315M 35K seats - $9,000 a seat. What am I missing, why is State's build so much more than even CSU?
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Post by AzTex on Sept 12, 2020 21:08:13 GMT -8
mynbc15.com/news/local/university-of-south-alabama-prepares-for-first-football-game-in-new-stadiumThey opened up their new digs today....Hancock Whitney Stadium Two Years to build, $75M in cost, and estimates are they received $10M in naming rights. Congrats to USA. Here are the last 4 stadiums built and their cost: South Alabama - 2020 - $75M - 25K capacity - $3k a seat Colorado St. - 2017 - $220M - 41K capacity - $5.3K a seat Tulane - 2014 - $75M - 30K capacity - $2,500 a seat Houston - 2014 - $120M - 40K capacity - $3,000 a seat San Diego State - $315M 35K seats - $9,000 a seat. What am I missing, why is State's build so much more than even CSU? None of those stadiums were built in Southern California. |
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Post by laaztec on Sept 12, 2020 21:14:01 GMT -8
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Sept 12, 2020 21:48:30 GMT -8
mynbc15.com/news/local/university-of-south-alabama-prepares-for-first-football-game-in-new-stadiumThey opened up their new digs today....Hancock Whitney Stadium Two Years to build, $75M in cost, and estimates are they received $10M in naming rights. Congrats to USA. Here are the last 4 stadiums built and their cost: South Alabama - 2020 - $75M - 25K capacity - $3k a seat Colorado St. - 2017 - $220M - 41K capacity - $5.3K a seat Tulane - 2014 - $75M - 30K capacity - $2,500 a seat Houston - 2014 - $120M - 40K capacity - $3,000 a seat San Diego State - $315M 35K seats - $9,000 a seat. What am I missing, why is State's build so much more than even CSU? None of those stadiums were built in Southern California. Using commercial cost to build by sqf metrics..... it does not explain the big differences. ccorpinsights.com/costs-per-square-foot/State is spending 300%+ per seat to 70% per seat more to build. Yes labor cost and cpi, explains some of the delta but not all. Just like CSU is quite a bit more than the others as well. I think the main driver is the amenities that are being built into the respective facilities. It was just a few years ago that State said it would be $150M to build. Before they put a shovel in the ground, the cost doubled. IN any event, the bind payment on $315M is a big nut to cover. |
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Post by jpaztec on Sept 13, 2020 4:46:13 GMT -8
As somebody who recently built a multi unit complex in SD, and a house out of state, it’s clear why things cost so much more here. Amenities in our stadium are one factor, it’s just a nicer build, but the time, red tape, engineering, admin, tax, everything is absurdly high in CA, and is one reason why people are fleeing the state. It’s a damn joke, and becomes blatantly clear when you go To build a similar product some place else. I’m a San Diego native, but my money is better spent elsewhere nowadays.
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Post by McQuervo on Sept 13, 2020 5:18:13 GMT -8
mynbc15.com/news/local/university-of-south-alabama-prepares-for-first-football-game-in-new-stadiumThey opened up their new digs today....Hancock Whitney Stadium Two Years to build, $75M in cost, and estimates are they received $10M in naming rights. Congrats to USA. Here are the last 4 stadiums built and their cost: South Alabama - 2020 - $75M - 25K capacity - $3k a seat Colorado St. - 2017 - $220M - 41K capacity - $5.3K a seat Tulane - 2014 - $75M - 30K capacity - $2,500 a seat Houston - 2014 - $120M - 40K capacity - $3,000 a seat San Diego State - $315M 35K seats - $9,000 a seat. What am I missing, why is State's build so much more than even CSU? See Union.... |
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Post by 🥸 Hopeless Aztec on Sept 13, 2020 5:52:43 GMT -8
As somebody who recently built a multi unit complex in SD, and a house out of state, it’s clear why things cost so much more here. Amenities in our stadium are one factor, it’s just a nicer build, but the time, red tape, engineering, admin, tax, everything is absurdly high in CA, and is one reason why people are fleeing the state. It’s a damn joke, and becomes blatantly clear when you go To build a similar product some place else. I’m a San Diego native, but my money is better spent elsewhere nowadays. This! Exactly the reason I am looking for land and a new “residence” in one of the 7 states with no state tax. I will soon be spending six months and one day in my new residence. I am done with CA prices. Just gotta wait until the kids are done with high school. Not much longer and I am ready to go. I would leave tomorrow if the boss would let me. |
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Post by aztecbo on Sept 13, 2020 8:24:28 GMT -8
I think a lot of people on this board should move out of state. Mississippi, Alabama, North Dakota, South Dakota, and Northern Idaho would be good picks.
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Post by jdaztec on Sept 13, 2020 8:43:17 GMT -8
Don't forget Arkansas
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Post by AzTex on Sept 13, 2020 8:52:48 GMT -8
None of those stadiums were built in Southern California. Using commercial cost to build by sqf metrics..... it does not explain the big differences. ccorpinsights.com/costs-per-square-foot/State is spending 300%+ per seat to 70% per seat more to build. Yes labor cost and cpi, explains some of the delta but not all. Just like CSU is quite a bit more than the others as well. I think the main driver is the amenities that are being built into the respective facilities. It was just a few years ago that State said it would be $150M to build. Before they put a shovel in the ground, the cost doubled. IN any event, the bind payment on $315M is a big nut to cover. Amenities may well have a substantial effect on the total costs. Not knowing what amenities those other stadiums have compared to what our stadium will have makes that judgement difficult.
I am familiar with house prices in San Diego County and house prices in Ft. Myers, Florida (Southwest Florida). A comparable house in a comparable neighborhood in San Diego is 2 to 3 times more expensive. I not talking about luxury housing, just normal houses that probably 95% of here live in. So I'm not surprised that a stadium in San Diego is going to cost more per seat than one in those other locations.
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Post by jp92grad on Sept 13, 2020 8:54:48 GMT -8
mynbc15.com/news/local/university-of-south-alabama-prepares-for-first-football-game-in-new-stadiumThey opened up their new digs today....Hancock Whitney Stadium Two Years to build, $75M in cost, and estimates are they received $10M in naming rights. Congrats to USA. Here are the last 4 stadiums built and their cost: South Alabama - 2020 - $75M - 25K capacity - $3k a seat Colorado St. - 2017 - $220M - 41K capacity - $5.3K a seat Tulane - 2014 - $75M - 30K capacity - $2,500 a seat Houston - 2014 - $120M - 40K capacity - $3,000 a seat San Diego State - $315M 35K seats - $9,000 a seat. What am I missing, why is State's build so much more than even CSU? The better question would be a price break down on site prep for both sites and then a build comparison. I know this will not answer the biggest question of overall price but it would start to show a true comparison. You are comparing a basic cookie cutter type stadium with only a few amenities to a fully loaded stadium with a lot of options along with the start of a much bigger end product. They (SDSU) are also in what appears to be a much more environmentally sensitive area with much more requirements due to SD River. BOTTOM LINE- Stuff just costs more in San Diego |
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Post by AzTex on Sept 13, 2020 8:59:27 GMT -8
mynbc15.com/news/local/university-of-south-alabama-prepares-for-first-football-game-in-new-stadiumThey opened up their new digs today....Hancock Whitney Stadium Two Years to build, $75M in cost, and estimates are they received $10M in naming rights. Congrats to USA. Here are the last 4 stadiums built and their cost: South Alabama - 2020 - $75M - 25K capacity - $3k a seat Colorado St. - 2017 - $220M - 41K capacity - $5.3K a seat Tulane - 2014 - $75M - 30K capacity - $2,500 a seat Houston - 2014 - $120M - 40K capacity - $3,000 a seat San Diego State - $315M 35K seats - $9,000 a seat. What am I missing, why is State's build so much more than even CSU? The better question would be a price break down on site prep for both sites and then a build comparison. I know this will not answer the biggest question of overall price but it would start to show a true comparison. You are comparing a basic cookie cutter type stadium with only a few amenities to a fully loaded stadium with a lot of options along with the start of a much bigger end product. They (SDSU) are also in what appears to be a much more environmentally sensitive area with much more requirements due to SD River.
BOTTOM LINE- Stuff just costs more in San Diego Right to the point. |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Sept 13, 2020 9:17:08 GMT -8
mynbc15.com/news/local/university-of-south-alabama-prepares-for-first-football-game-in-new-stadiumThey opened up their new digs today....Hancock Whitney Stadium Two Years to build, $75M in cost, and estimates are they received $10M in naming rights. Congrats to USA. Here are the last 4 stadiums built and their cost: South Alabama - 2020 - $75M - 25K capacity - $3k a seat Colorado St. - 2017 - $220M - 41K capacity - $5.3K a seat Tulane - 2014 - $75M - 30K capacity - $2,500 a seat Houston - 2014 - $120M - 40K capacity - $3,000 a seat San Diego State - $315M 35K seats - $9,000 a seat. What am I missing, why is State's build so much more than even CSU? The better question would be a price break down on site prep for both sites and then a build comparison. I know this will not answer the biggest question of overall price but it would start to show a true comparison. You are comparing a basic cookie cutter type stadium with only a few amenities to a fully loaded stadium with a lot of options along with the start of a much bigger end product. They (SDSU) are also in what appears to be a much more environmentally sensitive area with much more requirements due to SD River. BOTTOM LINE- Stuff just costs more in San Diego No, I get that it costs more to build in SD, than in South Alabama, Houston, and the Denver region. I think the amenities is the biggest difference, not the only, but the biggest. Here is a tour of Houston. youtu.be/yVSAf7Ts2IoHere is some picture if Tulane's tulanegreenwave.com/facilities/yulman-stadium/30Here is South Alabama's www.al.com/news/mobile/2020/09/south-alabama-finally-has-a-stadium-to-call-its-own.htmlHere is CSU's youtu.be/U3dMtUVoMSAI hope that additional cost actually helps make the facility capable of hosting events year round and not just additional costs that will need to be recouped by increased per ticket prices. |
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Post by frustratedfan on Sept 13, 2020 10:05:23 GMT -8
As somebody who recently built a multi unit complex in SD, and a house out of state, it’s clear why things cost so much more here. Amenities in our stadium are one factor, it’s just a nicer build, but the time, red tape, engineering, admin, tax, everything is absurdly high in CA, and is one reason why people are fleeing the state. It’s a damn joke, and becomes blatantly clear when you go To build a similar product some place else. I’m a San Diego native, but my money is better spent elsewhere nowadays. Exactly, which is why I moved to Arizona three years ago and I am so glad I did. My money goes a lot farther here than in California. I am also amazed at the people I bump into here that also moved from San Diego. Just last week my wife and I saw a gentleman walking down the sidewalk with a San Diego State t-shirt on! I worked for 20 years for a local agency in San Diego and I can tell you a plethora of stories how ridiculous the permitting requirements are in California/San Diego and how expensive it was to obtain them on a project and how the permitting requirements equated to a significant increase in construction costs. Like jpaztec said, it is a joke. |
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Post by jp92grad on Sept 13, 2020 10:38:00 GMT -8
As somebody who recently built a multi unit complex in SD, and a house out of state, it’s clear why things cost so much more here. Amenities in our stadium are one factor, it’s just a nicer build, but the time, red tape, engineering, admin, tax, everything is absurdly high in CA, and is one reason why people are fleeing the state. It’s a damn joke, and becomes blatantly clear when you go To build a similar product some place else. I’m a San Diego native, but my money is better spent elsewhere nowadays. Exactly, which is why I moved to Arizona three years ago and I am so glad I did. My money goes a lot farther here than in California. I am also amazed at the people I bump into here that also moved from San Diego. Just last week my wife and I saw a gentleman walking down the sidewalk with a San Diego State t-shirt on! I worked for 20 years for a local agency in San Diego and I can tell you a plethora of stories how ridiculous the permitting requirements are in California/San Diego and how expensive it was to obtain them on a project and how the permitting requirements equated to a significant increase in construction costs. Like jpaztec said, it is a joke. The San Diego of today does not compare or resemble the San Diego of yesteryear. I have said it many times before the San Diego of today is much more like LA then San Diego (use to be)*. The weather is still great but the whole town has become so crowed that you are not able to get around like you use to or need to. I know I am getting old, so get off my lawn! * lived in San Diego for 50 years and never liked going to LA and still don't! Go Aztecs! |
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Post by TruAztec on Sept 13, 2020 11:58:27 GMT -8
Does the cost of the new stadium include the destruction of the old stadium? I cant imagine that will be cheap.
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Post by Den60 on Sept 13, 2020 12:15:34 GMT -8
I think a lot of people on this board should move out of state. Mississippi, Alabama, North Dakota, South Dakota, and Northern Idaho would be good picks. How about Northern Nevada near Tahoe? Or Utah, Heber City is nice if you don't want though pricey, not Park City pricey but not far off. Beautiful country. Texas is a fairly popular place though it is hot and humid. I know someone who moved to Wyoming and loves it. I expect, however, the places you mention were meant as some sort of insult, not only to members here but to those who live in those states. |
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Post by Den60 on Sept 13, 2020 12:16:14 GMT -8
Does the cost of the new stadium include the destruction of the old stadium? I cant imagine that will be cheap. No. Nor does it include the cost of maintaining it so they need to get the new place up quickly. |
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Post by tuff on Sept 13, 2020 17:48:51 GMT -8
I’ve had my son, and three nephews move to Arizona, Colorado and Wyoming. And soon my brother in law will be going to Arizona. When I retire, I’m gone also. All California has is the weather. And I don’t give a f x x x about the beach anymore. So good luck to those that stay behind.
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Sept 13, 2020 17:57:39 GMT -8
I'm gone too if my work lets me stay remote
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