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Post by sleepy on Sept 3, 2020 14:54:18 GMT -8
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Post by sdmotohead on Sept 3, 2020 15:11:14 GMT -8
All I got out of that article is that a third of the athletes (no numbers, I mean it could be out of 3 infected 1 had myocarditis) and a lot of "we just don't know what to do right now". So this article doesn't prove anything other than they notice that some athletes' heart gets inflamed. How many deaths were reported in this article as a result? How many kids couldn't play anymore after they recovered from the infection? All valid questions that were never asked or addressed.
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Post by laaztec on Sept 3, 2020 16:12:32 GMT -8
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Post by sdmotohead on Sept 3, 2020 16:23:16 GMT -8
Well to their credit, the article originally linked by the OP was corrected with what laaztec has posted.
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Post by Frantic on Sept 3, 2020 17:28:14 GMT -8
Yes, let's wait for the Rona to disappear to eliminate any possible risk of lung issues, so they can finally get back to pre-Rona activities like running full-speed and head-on into other 220 pound men and develop CTE, torn ACLs, broken ribs, and torn Achilles.
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Post by sdmotohead on Sept 3, 2020 17:35:31 GMT -8
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Post by sdsu2000 on Sept 3, 2020 17:37:59 GMT -8
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Post by sdmotohead on Sept 3, 2020 17:56:29 GMT -8
This was written in the Opinion section. I didn't read any further.
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Post by laaztec on Sept 3, 2020 18:05:50 GMT -8
Also Michigan is going start up high school football. It’s safe for high school football players to play but not Michigan or Michigan State. So arbitrary and stupid.
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Post by zurac315 on Sept 3, 2020 18:30:24 GMT -8
Yes, let's wait for the Rona to disappear to eliminate any possible risk of lung issues, so they can finally get back to pre-Rona activities like running full-speed and head-on into other 220 pound men and develop CTE, torn ACLs, broken ribs, and torn Achilles. Sounds like fun. I've had a torn Achilles tendon for 50 years that never properly healed.
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Post by zurac315 on Sept 3, 2020 18:31:04 GMT -8
Also Michigan is going start up high school football. It’s safe for high school football players to play but not Michigan or Michigan State. So arbitrary and stupid. It isn't safe.
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Post by laaztec on Sept 3, 2020 19:23:57 GMT -8
Also Michigan is going start up high school football. It’s safe for high school football players to play but not Michigan or Michigan State. So arbitrary and stupid. It isn't safe. According to who? 26 States are playing high school football. The ACC, SEC, AAC and the Big 12 are playing football. The NFL is playing football. You don't think health experts at all these levels have considered all the data and still are letting all these players play in unsafe conditions?
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Post by TheSanDiegan on Sept 3, 2020 20:11:00 GMT -8
All I got out of that article is that a third of the athletes (no numbers, I mean it could be out of 3 infected 1 had myocarditis) and a lot of "we just don't know what to do right now". So this article doesn't prove anything other than they notice that some athletes' heart gets inflamed. How many deaths were reported in this article as a result? How many kids couldn't play anymore after they recovered from the infection? All valid questions that were never asked or addressed. As of a month ago, it was 35 student athletes at Michigan alone, with a positivity rate of 2.4% ( link). I imagine the number at Michigan is greater now four weeks later, as it tripled from 12 on July 24 to 35 within two weeks. I also think it's safe to assume there isn't a huge difference in prevalence rate among the B1G member schools.
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Post by vegasaztec on Sept 3, 2020 20:12:27 GMT -8
I will listen to Fauci (sp) and the other scientists rather than Trump and his band of criminals and no I don't take hydroxocloricine(?). Just look at all the outbreaks on MANY campuses all over the country. Yes, some areas have some control over it but it doesn't take much to spread it like wildfire. I have been a huge football fan for 84 yrs and will miss it just as much as anyone but is it really worth screwing up your life for?
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Post by sdmotohead on Sept 3, 2020 21:19:20 GMT -8
All I got out of that article is that a third of the athletes (no numbers, I mean it could be out of 3 infected 1 had myocarditis) and a lot of "we just don't know what to do right now". So this article doesn't prove anything other than they notice that some athletes' heart gets inflamed. How many deaths were reported in this article as a result? How many kids couldn't play anymore after they recovered from the infection? All valid questions that were never asked or addressed. As of a month ago, it was 35 student athletes at Michigan alone, with a positivity rate of 2.4% ( link). I imagine the number at Michigan is greater now four weeks later, as it tripled from 12 on July 24 to 35 within two weeks. I also think it's safe to assume there isn't a huge difference in prevalence rate among the B1G member schools. Ok, some students got sick. How many died? How many recovered? What's the whole picture and what point are you trying to make? We know it's fairly contagious. I think the reality is that 18-22 year olds are not dying en masse once infected. And like most other segments of the population the ones who do die tend to have comorbidities.
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Post by hoobs on Sept 4, 2020 5:48:12 GMT -8
This was written in the Opinion section. I didn't read any further. Well, that's silly... because it's a very thorough and professionally written piece. Here's a key bit you've missed from ignoring an article that seems to conflict with your worldview: Any such cardiac sequelae lingering weeks to months after the fact is clearly concerning, and we’re seeing more evidence of it. A German study found that 78 percent of recovered COVID-19 patients, the majority of whom had only mild to moderate symptoms, demonstrated cardiac involvement more than two months after their initial diagnoses. Six in 10 were found to have persistent myocardial inflammation. While emphasizing that individual patients need not be nervous, lead investigator Elike Nagel added in an e-mail, “My personal take is that COVID will increase the incidence of heart failure over the next decades.”Like to the German study: jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2768916
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Post by TheSanDiegan on Sept 4, 2020 9:19:11 GMT -8
As of a month ago, it was 35 student athletes at Michigan alone, with a positivity rate of 2.4% ( link). I imagine the number at Michigan is greater now four weeks later, as it tripled from 12 on July 24 to 35 within two weeks. I also think it's safe to assume there isn't a huge difference in prevalence rate among the B1G member schools. Ok, some students got sick. How many died? How many recovered? What's the whole picture and what point are you trying to make? We know it's fairly contagious. I think the reality is that 18-22 year olds are not dying en masse once infected. And like most other segments of the population the ones who do die tend to have comorbidities. What point am I trying to make? 1. This disease ruins sports careers for nearly a third of the student athletes who contract it. 2. BY all measures, there are hundreds of student athletes in the B1G alone who have contracted it. 3. Therefore, this disease has already ruined the sports careers of scores of student athletes. So maybe we can chill the f*ck out for another season or two and stop acting like a bunch of spoiled f*cking infants throwing a tantrum because a bunch of strangers won't step the f*ck to it and jump into the Colosseum for our own selfish entertainment. That's my point. Clear enough? Or do you want me to sketch some sh¡t out on a cocktail napkin for you?
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Post by sdcoug on Sept 4, 2020 10:22:50 GMT -8
Ok, some students got sick. How many died? How many recovered? What's the whole picture and what point are you trying to make? We know it's fairly contagious. I think the reality is that 18-22 year olds are not dying en masse once infected. And like most other segments of the population the ones who do die tend to have comorbidities. What point am I trying to make? 1. This disease ruins sports careers for nearly a third of the student athletes who contract it. 2. BY all measures, there are hundreds of student athletes in the B1G alone who have contracted it. 3. Therefore, this disease has already ruined the sports careers of scores of student athletes. So maybe we can chill the f*ck out for another season or two and stop acting like a bunch of spoiled f*cking infants throwing a tantrum because a bunch of strangers won't step the f*ck to it and jump into the Colosseum for our own selfish entertainment. That's my point. Clear enough? Or do you want me to sketch some sh¡t out on a cocktail napkin for you? 1. The PSU doctor admitted he misspoke, and apologized. The # is much lower than he quoted. 2. Data saying "hundreds of student athletes in B1G"? Harbaugh said none were football players, and only 26 or so overall at Michigan. The rate testing positive among athletes is significantly lower than the general student population by all accounts. I think places like U Illinois are more the outlier than the norm. 3. Which "scores of student athletes" has it ruined? Most recover from this. This isn't a new disease - you can get it via the common cold. It's just more likely to happen via COVID, although data is still in its infancy stage. The P12 is implementing a fast test at each institution; I'm sure the other conferences will follow suit. Students have the option to opt-out, but most want to play. Most are dying to play. Why is it a bad thing to play when a) they're taking all the precautions possible, and b) the kids themselves are the ones advocating to play? To the point they tried suing the conference. It's not sports fans simply wanting football at all costs. It's understanding there's a risk involved in everything, especially football, and realize that maybe playing football may lower their risk of getting the disease, not increase it. IMO they're safer within the confines of their teams than they are mixing with the general population of students.
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Post by azson on Sept 4, 2020 10:45:12 GMT -8
Ok, some students got sick. How many died? How many recovered? What's the whole picture and what point are you trying to make? We know it's fairly contagious. I think the reality is that 18-22 year olds are not dying en masse once infected. And like most other segments of the population the ones who do die tend to have comorbidities. What point am I trying to make? 1. This disease ruins sports careers for nearly a third of the student athletes who contract it. 2. BY all measures, there are hundreds of student athletes in the B1G alone who have contracted it. 3. Therefore, this disease has already ruined the sports careers of scores of student athletes. So maybe we can chill the f*ck out for another season or two and stop acting like a bunch of spoiled f*cking infants throwing a tantrum because a bunch of strangers won't step the f*ck to it and jump into the Colosseum for our own selfish entertainment. That's my point. Clear enough? Or do you want me to sketch some sh¡t out on a cocktail napkin for you? I 100% agree with you...and would also like to see it sketched out on a cocktail napkin.
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Post by sdmotohead on Sept 4, 2020 11:08:57 GMT -8
Ok, some students got sick. How many died? How many recovered? What's the whole picture and what point are you trying to make? We know it's fairly contagious. I think the reality is that 18-22 year olds are not dying en masse once infected. And like most other segments of the population the ones who do die tend to have comorbidities. What point am I trying to make? 1. This disease ruins sports careers for nearly a third of the student athletes who contract it. 2. BY all measures, there are hundreds of student athletes in the B1G alone who have contracted it. 3. Therefore, this disease has already ruined the sports careers of scores of student athletes. So maybe we can chill the f*ck out for another season or two and stop acting like a bunch of spoiled f*cking infants throwing a tantrum because a bunch of strangers won't step the f*ck to it and jump into the Colosseum for our own selfish entertainment. That's my point. Clear enough? Or do you want me to sketch some sh¡t out on a cocktail napkin for you? I appreciate your emotional response. As much as I'd love to see your napkin could you please show me where a third of the student athletes have their careers ruined as a result of contracting the virus? Are you privy to some inside knowledge that the rest of us are not aware of? I mean there have been plenty of professional athletes that have tested positive for the covid-19. Have a third of them had their career ruined as a result? Or maybe the virus only affects college athletes? I'm a little confused. I'm all for being cautious, but no more than what the actual facts require us to be.
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