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Post by goaztecs on Aug 3, 2020 19:13:45 GMT -8
I haven’t heard a word about it.
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Post by aztecfan1 on Aug 3, 2020 20:18:06 GMT -8
I haven’t heard a word about it. Look for a UT story on same on Wed. latest. The CFB world hangs in the balance this week. NCAA telling MWC, which is telling sdsu. Cross your fingers., 😬 |
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Post by sdsu2000 on Aug 4, 2020 8:34:32 GMT -8
I believe the Mountain West board of directors is scheduled to meet Friday to discuss fall sports. They could decide to move forward as planned which could possibly allow SDSU to begin practice but they could also decide to eliminate all non-conference games which could push the start date back 3 weeks. I still don't believe Newsom has given any direction for any of the CA MW schools on how and when they can begin so that's still something that needs to be worked out.
I was talking with someone this morning who's nephew is going to play basketball this year in the CCAA conference. Right now it sounds like they are hoping basketball can start at the normal time but all indications are basketball won't start for that conference till January. That's what they are planning for but also figuring out what they can do in case they do start on time and how they can create a bubble.
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Post by Spud on Aug 4, 2020 14:01:04 GMT -8
My money is on "no way"...there would have to be significant downward trends in cases AND a vaccine available...Hell, Baseball teams can't even keep 15 guys from catching COVID and thats a non-contact sport spread out all over a field! How are you going to contain COVID with 80+ people being all face to face?!?!? If they start practice too early, COVID will probably drive the schedule as teams experience large outbreaks. Then the season will be over. Probably better to wait it out a bit, especially if a real vaccine is close.
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Post by sdcoug on Aug 4, 2020 14:49:12 GMT -8
I would expect a 10 game schedule of some sort (i.e. 8+2, 9+1 or 10+0), but I'd anticipate a later start date. Similar to what most other conferences are doing. Many programs are still just doing "enhanced workouts" right now, but now they're starting to include coaches on the field, etc.
Personally, I think staying with a Sept 5th 1st game & allowing more flexibility would be the best plan, but more are leaning towards pushing back until the 12th or 19th which pushes back the 6-week practice timeline.
Now that all the P5's have settled on theirs I'd expect the MWC to move relatively quickly to finalize theirs.
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Post by 🥸 Hopeless Aztec on Aug 5, 2020 5:28:18 GMT -8
I would expect a 10 game schedule of some sort (i.e. 8+2, 9+1 or 10+0), but I'd anticipate a later start date. Similar to what most other conferences are doing. Many programs are still just doing "enhanced workouts" right now, but now they're starting to include coaches on the field, etc. Personally, I think staying with a Sept 5th 1st game & allowing more flexibility would be the best plan, but more are leaning towards pushing back until the 12th or 19th which pushes back the 6-week practice timeline. Now that all the P5's have settled on theirs I'd expect the MWC to move relatively quickly to finalize theirs. I think this is a little optimistic. I think it is a later start date IF there is even any football at all. I still don’t see a season taking place until a vaccine is readily accessible. |
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Post by moctezumaii on Aug 5, 2020 5:46:14 GMT -8
I would expect a 10 game schedule of some sort (i.e. 8+2, 9+1 or 10+0), but I'd anticipate a later start date. Similar to what most other conferences are doing. Many programs are still just doing "enhanced workouts" right now, but now they're starting to include coaches on the field, etc. Personally, I think staying with a Sept 5th 1st game & allowing more flexibility would be the best plan, but more are leaning towards pushing back until the 12th or 19th which pushes back the 6-week practice timeline. Now that all the P5's have settled on theirs I'd expect the MWC to move relatively quickly to finalize theirs. I think this is a little optimistic. I think it is a later start date IF there is even any football at all. I still don’t see a season taking place until a vaccine is readily accessible. They may start the season, play a game or three, but I doubt they complete a season. Also, given all that we have on our plates economically, politically, globally AND the virus, sports seems a little trivial at the moment to be risking lives; first time or two a middle-aged coach gets it and dies, there will be a reckoning. Don't know if I'm alone there, that's just my opinion. |
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Aug 5, 2020 10:46:07 GMT -8
My money is on "no way"...there would have to be significant downward trends in cases AND a vaccine available...Hell, Baseball teams can't even keep 15 guys from catching COVID and thats a non-contact sport spread out all over a field! How are you going to contain COVID with 80+ people being all face to face?!?!? If they start practice too early, COVID will probably drive the schedule as teams experience large outbreaks. Then the season will be over. Probably better to wait it out a bit, especially if a real vaccine is close. Games or no, I can tell you that Poway High School started football workouts weeks ago. There doesn't appear to be any contact, and the drills mostly take place on yard markers placing the athletes 15 feet apart, but they are working. |
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Post by sdsu2000 on Aug 5, 2020 15:45:15 GMT -8
First game won't be until September 26th so practices will get pushed back.
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Post by junior on Aug 5, 2020 20:22:25 GMT -8
Let's hope they're getting the message and how serious it is to follow directions. All it takes is one screw up.
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Post by moctezumaii on Aug 6, 2020 5:53:30 GMT -8
Let's hope they're getting the message and how serious it is to follow directions. All it takes is one screw up. Fortunately, college kids have never been known to go off and do stupid things just for a little fun. |
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Post by tonatiuh on Aug 6, 2020 14:00:07 GMT -8
My money is on "no way"...there would have to be significant downward trends in cases AND a vaccine available...Hell, Baseball teams can't even keep 15 guys from catching COVID and thats a non-contact sport spread out all over a field! How are you going to contain COVID with 80+ people being all face to face?!?!? If they start practice too early, COVID will probably drive the schedule as teams experience large outbreaks. Then the season will be over. Probably better to wait it out a bit, especially if a real vaccine is close. Spud, they are not likely (baseball players catching it) in the field, but possibly in the dugout or locker room. |
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Post by Spud on Aug 10, 2020 6:13:29 GMT -8
My money is on "no way"...there would have to be significant downward trends in cases AND a vaccine available...Hell, Baseball teams can't even keep 15 guys from catching COVID and thats a non-contact sport spread out all over a field! How are you going to contain COVID with 80+ people being all face to face?!?!? If they start practice too early, COVID will probably drive the schedule as teams experience large outbreaks. Then the season will be over. Probably better to wait it out a bit, especially if a real vaccine is close. Spud, they are not likely (baseball players catching it) in the field, but possibly in the dugout or locker room. Yeah I get that...actually think one of the teams had an outbreak because they all went to a party/club. But football is a contact, up close sport...with 3+ times as many people...guess we'll see what happens. In any case, we won't be there to watch, so there's that. |
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Post by couldashoulda on Aug 10, 2020 6:52:14 GMT -8
Personally, I will be shocked if there is a fall college football season. From a practical and logistical standpoint, it just doesn't make sense in the current environment. You have 75-80 kids, along with all of the support staff. How in the world can you keep these players from sweating, spitting, bleeding...let alone breathing all over each other? Not to mention the socializing in the time that they are away from the practice field and training facilities. I mean the only way it makes sense is if your perspective is that COVID isn't that big of a deal.
And, the whole idea of taking some fall sports (and other activities) and bumping them in to the spring is...what's the word I'm looking for...onerous maybe? "Oh, we'll have a vaccine by then and everything will be honky dory". I hope there is a vaccine by spring (I am obviously fine with vaccines and being injected), but getting people to take the first wave of vaccines that come down the pike, is going to be the next great debate. Recent surveys show as much as 50% of the population saying that they aren't sure they would be willing to be part of that first vaccinated group. 23% are basically anti-vaxxers. The NCAA and NFL could attempt to mandate the administering of a vaccine, but I think that sets up the legal community for a whole lot of activity.
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Post by sdcoug on Aug 10, 2020 10:02:48 GMT -8
Personally, I will be shocked if there is a fall college football season. From a practical and logistical standpoint, it just doesn't make sense in the current environment. You have 75-80 kids, along with all of the support staff. How in the world can you keep these players from sweating, spitting, bleeding...let alone breathing all over each other? Not to mention the socializing in the time that they are away from the practice field and training facilities. I mean the only way it makes sense is if your perspective is that COVID isn't that big of a deal. You don't. You do all you can to ensure those who are sweating, spitting, bleeding tested negative before practicing. If someone does test positive due to not social distancing while away from the team, you have protocols in place to quarantine them & trace their activities & all they had contact with. |
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Aug 10, 2020 10:17:46 GMT -8
The CDC came out with a study a little while back saying at the time they estimated that a total of 28 million people had the virus (based on antibody studies), which lowered the death rate to .35% at the time. And that includes all the deaths in New York that happened before we had any idea how to treat this virus, and all of the nursing home deaths (close to half of all deaths if I'm not mistaken). The AVERAGE age of all deaths is 79 years old
People are using the defense of this being about player safety and not endangering college kids who aren't getting paid? Who gives a damn if there's an outbreak among college age kids? They won't even know they had the virus. I feel like everyone is taking crazy pills about all this
If they want to play, how can anyone feel the justification to stop them?
I realize this is taboo to say and I'll get tarred and feathered for saying it, but someone has to
PS - Has any athlete who has tested positive for this even been hospitalized? (honest question) |
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Post by couldashoulda on Aug 10, 2020 10:19:41 GMT -8
Personally, I will be shocked if there is a fall college football season. From a practical and logistical standpoint, it just doesn't make sense in the current environment. You have 75-80 kids, along with all of the support staff. How in the world can you keep these players from sweating, spitting, bleeding...let alone breathing all over each other? Not to mention the socializing in the time that they are away from the practice field and training facilities. I mean the only way it makes sense is if your perspective is that COVID isn't that big of a deal. You don't. You do all you can to ensure those who are sweating, spitting, bleeding tested negative before practicing. If someone does test positive due to not social distancing while away from the team, you have protocols in place to quarantine them & trace their activities & all they had contact with. All due respect Coug, that seems like a logistical nightmare with the size of rosters that FB has. BB I can see it being somewhat feasible. It almost seems that schools will have to create a COVID/infectious disease department within the Athletic Dept to do the contact tracing, etc. And until there is a test that gives more reliable immediate results, I think that those 2-3 days that the asymptomatic player is allowed to practice until their test results come back are a ticking time bomb. I subscribe to the "Prudent Person" doctrine. While it is possible to do all you can to ensure negative test results...and have protocols for quarantining and tracing, I think the Big 10 is taking the prudent approach. |
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Post by hoobs on Aug 10, 2020 11:36:14 GMT -8
The CDC came out with a study a little while back saying at the time they estimated that a total of 28 million people had the virus (based on antibody studies), which lowered the death rate to .35% at the time. And that includes all the deaths in New York that happened before we had any idea how to treat this virus, and all of the nursing home deaths (close to half of all deaths if I'm not mistaken). The AVERAGE age of all deaths is 79 years old
People are using the defense of this being about player safety and not endangering college kids who aren't getting paid? Who gives a damn if there's an outbreak among college age kids? They won't even know they had the virus. I feel like everyone is taking crazy pills about all this
If they want to play, how can anyone feel the justification to stop them?
I realize this is taboo to say and I'll get tarred and feathered for saying it, but someone has to
PS - Has any athlete who has tested positive for this even been hospitalized? (honest question) Just one example from this article... (yes, I know this single example isn't a "pro" athlete, but an amateur Ironman triathlete is probably in a lot better shape than a lot of "pro" athletes) www.nytimes.com/2020/05/29/sports/coronavirus-survivors-athletes.htmlBen O’Donnell, a triathlete who lives in Anoka County, Minn., lost 45 pounds during a four-week hospital stay during which he was placed on a ventilator and a short-term life support machine.
O’Donnell, 38, a former college football player who completed an Ironman race a couple of years ago and was planning on doing another this fall, said he was pulled back from the brink of death after struggling with dangerously low levels of oxygen and kidney and liver failure in the intensive care unit.
In mid-February, in anticipation of ramping up his training, O’Donnell had completed a two-day, comprehensive physical exam and received a clean bill of health. Doctors believe he contracted the virus five days later.
Back at home after his harrowing month in the hospital, O’Donnell has set his sights on competing in an Ironman race in Arizona this fall. He acknowledged it was a lofty goal.
“They’re not sure if I’ll ever get full lung capacity back,” he said. “I may or may not.”
Had he not contracted the virus, O’Donnell, an executive at a chemical company, would be doing three runs, three swims and three bicycle workouts per week at this point in his training cycle. But the virus derailed his life plans.
After returning home, he needed a walker just to go out to the mailbox at the end of the driveway. In his first attempt to exercise, two days after he left the hospital, he walked for seven minutes at a speed of 1.2 miles per hour using supplemental oxygen. He has been trying to add a minute of time, and a bit of speed, each day.
O’Donnell said he was struggling with “a fair amount of doubt” about his ability to get back in shape for the race. But he has motivated himself with the secondary goal of raising money for coronavirus relief, and he has been repeating the same mantra ever since he was struggling in his hospital bed: “Don’t stop. Don’t quit. Keep moving forward.”
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Aug 10, 2020 12:06:58 GMT -8
The CDC came out with a study a little while back saying at the time they estimated that a total of 28 million people had the virus (based on antibody studies), which lowered the death rate to .35% at the time. And that includes all the deaths in New York that happened before we had any idea how to treat this virus, and all of the nursing home deaths (close to half of all deaths if I'm not mistaken). The AVERAGE age of all deaths is 79 years old
People are using the defense of this being about player safety and not endangering college kids who aren't getting paid? Who gives a damn if there's an outbreak among college age kids? They won't even know they had the virus. I feel like everyone is taking crazy pills about all this
If they want to play, how can anyone feel the justification to stop them?
I realize this is taboo to say and I'll get tarred and feathered for saying it, but someone has to
PS - Has any athlete who has tested positive for this even been hospitalized? (honest question) Just one example from this article... (yes, I know this single example isn't a "pro" athlete, but an amateur Ironman triathlete is probably in a lot better shape than a lot of "pro" athletes) www.nytimes.com/2020/05/29/sports/coronavirus-survivors-athletes.htmlBen O’Donnell, a triathlete who lives in Anoka County, Minn., lost 45 pounds during a four-week hospital stay during which he was placed on a ventilator and a short-term life support machine.
O’Donnell, 38, a former college football player who completed an Ironman race a couple of years ago and was planning on doing another this fall, said he was pulled back from the brink of death after struggling with dangerously low levels of oxygen and kidney and liver failure in the intensive care unit.
In mid-February, in anticipation of ramping up his training, O’Donnell had completed a two-day, comprehensive physical exam and received a clean bill of health. Doctors believe he contracted the virus five days later.
Back at home after his harrowing month in the hospital, O’Donnell has set his sights on competing in an Ironman race in Arizona this fall. He acknowledged it was a lofty goal.
“They’re not sure if I’ll ever get full lung capacity back,” he said. “I may or may not.”
Had he not contracted the virus, O’Donnell, an executive at a chemical company, would be doing three runs, three swims and three bicycle workouts per week at this point in his training cycle. But the virus derailed his life plans.
After returning home, he needed a walker just to go out to the mailbox at the end of the driveway. In his first attempt to exercise, two days after he left the hospital, he walked for seven minutes at a speed of 1.2 miles per hour using supplemental oxygen. He has been trying to add a minute of time, and a bit of speed, each day.
O’Donnell said he was struggling with “a fair amount of doubt” about his ability to get back in shape for the race. But he has motivated himself with the secondary goal of raising money for coronavirus relief, and he has been repeating the same mantra ever since he was struggling in his hospital bed: “Don’t stop. Don’t quit. Keep moving forward.”
I appreciate the example, but that guy is 38 years old. While he must be in terrific shape, I think age matters a lot (although 38 is still surprisingly young)
I'm not sure what the total is now, but I know at one point a couple of weeks ago there was a stat of over 130 COVID cases of athletes (I think just USA professional basketball/football/baseball) and not a single one had even been hospitalized. I believe there has still not been a single person of those major sports hospitalized and there have likely been well over 200 cases by now. And college kids are even younger so they should do even better against it
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Post by azson on Aug 10, 2020 12:09:52 GMT -8
The CDC came out with a study a little while back saying at the time they estimated that a total of 28 million people had the virus (based on antibody studies), which lowered the death rate to .35% at the time. And that includes all the deaths in New York that happened before we had any idea how to treat this virus, and all of the nursing home deaths (close to half of all deaths if I'm not mistaken). The AVERAGE age of all deaths is 79 years old
People are using the defense of this being about player safety and not endangering college kids who aren't getting paid? Who gives a damn if there's an outbreak among college age kids? They won't even know they had the virus. I feel like everyone is taking crazy pills about all this
If they want to play, how can anyone feel the justification to stop them?
I realize this is taboo to say and I'll get tarred and feathered for saying it, but someone has to
PS - Has any athlete who has tested positive for this even been hospitalized? (honest question) The only people who are taking crazy pills are those that think sports are more important than the health risks of a novel virus. |
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