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Post by AztecWilliam on Jul 21, 2020 11:24:20 GMT -8
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Post by sleepy on Jul 21, 2020 12:01:47 GMT -8
"I read about them in Forbes magazine". - Hans Kroger, Die Hard (Sorry. Serious topic, but couldn't resist.)
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Post by moctezumaii on Jul 21, 2020 13:23:37 GMT -8
Nowhere in the article is the elephant discussed: the outrageous rise in tuition costs over the last 25 years. While the number of students has declined by 30% in the case of these schools, roughly, I bet the amount of total dollars is not that different even factored for inflation that it was in the 80s and early 90s, even with less students. How much are all the BMW driving administrators making now, compared to back then, factored for inflation.
I think it's the cost of college that's depressing the numbers.
JMO. I could be wrong.
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Post by aztecbrad on Jul 21, 2020 14:26:32 GMT -8
A for effort, F for execution. You completely butcher what would have been a great reference. His name is Hans Gruber in the movie, and his quote is that he read about them in Time Magazine. "I read about them in Forbes magazine". - Hans Kroger, Die Hard (Sorry. Serious topic, but couldn't resist.)
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Post by sleepy on Jul 21, 2020 14:46:19 GMT -8
A for effort, F for execution. You completely butcher what would have been a great reference. His name is Hans Gruber in the movie, and his quote is that he read about them in Time Magazine. "I read about them in Forbes magazine". - Hans Kroger, Die Hard (Sorry. Serious topic, but couldn't resist.) Oops. Damn phone autocorrect. I'll leave it as-is for fun. After all, I am your white knight...
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Post by aardvark on Jul 21, 2020 15:10:48 GMT -8
A for effort, F for execution. You completely butcher what would have been a great reference. His name is Hans Gruber in the movie, and his quote is that he read about them in Time Magazine. Oops. Damn phone autocorrect. I'll leave it as-is for fun. After all, I am your white knight... It was a good effort, regardless.
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Post by RiffelBooks on Jul 21, 2020 15:56:59 GMT -8
Getting back on topic, this is an interesting and disturbing article. The coronavirus has exposed numerous organizations suffering from poor leadership and financial irresponsibility. Many colleges are overleveraged and could pay the price. Not much different from Hertz. Ohio is also part of the rust belt, which has lost population the last few decades. Only recently have some places like Cincinnati shown a bit of a comeback.
I think SDSU will survive, maybe even thrive, because of its location in a big city, large alumni base and ability to attract talented educators and staff. Yes, SDSU has gone the same way as Ohio U in terms of emphasizing diversity but coupled that with increasing academic standards.
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Post by AzTex on Jul 21, 2020 16:19:55 GMT -8
Nowhere in the article is the elephant discussed: the outrageous rise in tuition costs over the last 25 years. While the number of students has declined by 30% in the case of these schools, roughly, I bet the amount of total dollars is not that different even factored for inflation that it was in the 80s and early 90s, even with less students. How much are all the BMW driving administrators making now, compared to back then, factored for inflation. I think it's the cost of college that's depressing the numbers. JMO. I could be wrong. I believe that the ease of getting student loans has been a major factor in the increase in tuition. Cheep interest rates always push up the price of real estate, high rates push it down. When students, or their parents, had to pay cash out of pocket there was a lot of economic pressure on the colleges to keep the prices affordable.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Jul 21, 2020 16:24:57 GMT -8
I think the part about Akron is important. They are in terrible shape. I am a huge sports fan, but I have to sympathise with those on capuses such as Akron who wonder why they maintain scholarship sports when the very survival of the school is at stake. One alternative would be to move all sports to DivIII. Not so prestigeous, but better than dropping athletics altogether.
AzWm
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Post by docmm on Jul 21, 2020 17:09:27 GMT -8
I think the same thing will happen in college sports that happens in any world involving money. When sports income goes down, money to the school goes down and professors salaries and pensions will go down also. It’s the cost of doing business whether it’s business or academics.
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Post by sleepy on Jul 21, 2020 17:58:46 GMT -8
A for effort, F for execution. You completely butcher what would have been a great reference. His name is Hans Gruber in the movie, and his quote is that he read about them in Time Magazine. "I read about them in Forbes magazine". - Hans Kroger, Die Hard (Sorry. Serious topic, but couldn't resist.) Ah, I just juxtaposed the darn magazines! I knew Forbes made an appearance in their somewhere. From the script... HANS It's beautiful. I always enjoyed models as a boy. The exactness, the attention to every foreseeable detail... perfection. TAKAGI (defensively) This is what this is about? Out building project in Indonesia? Contrary to what you people think, we're going to develop that region... not 'exploit' it. Hans straightens, looks hard at Takagi. HANS I believe you. (smiling) I read the article in Forbes.
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Post by aztecmusician on Jul 21, 2020 17:59:02 GMT -8
Higher Education is a business and basically not operating is financially devastating. Yes, the established blue bloods can probably close up for a while and be fine, I have to wonder about some of the smaller schools in our area (St. Katherine, Alliant International, Pt. Loma Nazarene) and their ability to remain financially solvent.
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Post by couldashoulda on Jul 22, 2020 11:42:44 GMT -8
Not meaning to downplay the title of this thread, but...EVERYTHING is in trouble at the moment (except maybe Amazon and other models that are set up to take advantage of the pandemic). I believe in a few things fairly consistently, and one of them is Darwinism. Survival of the fittest. The distinguished "Professor Emeritus" talks mainly about three schools in Ohio. Too bad for them, but none of the schools discussed in the article could be considered an apple to the SDSU apple.
SDSU West's timing is/was uncanny. Doubt that it passes if it is on THIS November's ballot. So, there's that. Every player committing to SDSU in FB this year and for the next couple want to play in that shiny new stadium. The financial standing of the university in general is on solid ground from what I understand. If I am off base there, straighten me out. I know this a selfish attitude, but I really only care about how we come out on the other end of this pandemic. I prefer to take the optimistic perspective that not only will we survive, but might benefit from a consolidation in the overall college sports world.
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Post by sdsu2000 on Jul 22, 2020 12:48:26 GMT -8
College sports are in trouble and it's a matter of time until they get pushed back. At some point some governor is not going to allow a college in his state to play a college from another state where they have high rate of spread. I doubt we will see any youth or high school sports in California until next summer/fall.
Wear a mask. Don't go hangout with people. Don't go inside places with people from other households where masks are not being worn. Forget about your personal feelings and try to follow the simple guidelines and maybe in January things can actually move forward. Right now California is projected to have 12,000-36,000 daily infections on October 1st. No way anything in life moves forward if that's the case. California also have a projection of 4,000-8,000 daily infections on October 1st in people start wearing masks all the time. Which route is more likely to allow sports to happen in 2021? Which route is more likely to get kids back into school?
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Post by sdcoug on Jul 22, 2020 13:52:25 GMT -8
College sports are in trouble and it's a matter of time until they get pushed back. At some point some governor is not going to allow a college in his state to play a college from another state where they have high rate of spread. I doubt we will see any youth or high school sports in California until next summer/fall. Wear a mask. Don't go hangout with people. Don't go inside places with people from other households where masks are not being worn. Forget about your personal feelings and try to follow the simple guidelines and maybe in January things can actually move forward. Right now California is projected to have 12,000-36,000 daily infections on October 1st. No way anything in life moves forward if that's the case. California also have a projection of 4,000-8,000 daily infections on October 1st in people start wearing masks all the time. Which route is more likely to allow sports to happen in 2021? Which route is more likely to get kids back into school? SDSU has said they're only going to play teams who can adhere to at least the minimum guidelines set forth by the NCAA, which involves testing, etc. If we're playing a team from some state with a high spread rate, but they're a team that follows the specific healthcare guidelines defined by the NCAA & even more so the MWC, & it's only the people who have been tested making the trip, do you really think the governor would block them? Is he blocking the Diamondbacks from playing the Padres, or saying no to the NFL? Programs are going to have to be able to show they're adhering to these guidelines and if not, I doubt they'd be playing this year anyway. If it's random people from Texas, Florida, etc., I get that, but these are people following specific protocol.
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Post by sdsu2000 on Jul 22, 2020 15:09:12 GMT -8
College sports are in trouble and it's a matter of time until they get pushed back. At some point some governor is not going to allow a college in his state to play a college from another state where they have high rate of spread. I doubt we will see any youth or high school sports in California until next summer/fall. Wear a mask. Don't go hangout with people. Don't go inside places with people from other households where masks are not being worn. Forget about your personal feelings and try to follow the simple guidelines and maybe in January things can actually move forward. Right now California is projected to have 12,000-36,000 daily infections on October 1st. No way anything in life moves forward if that's the case. California also have a projection of 4,000-8,000 daily infections on October 1st in people start wearing masks all the time. Which route is more likely to allow sports to happen in 2021? Which route is more likely to get kids back into school? SDSU has said they're only going to play teams who can adhere to at least the minimum guidelines set forth by the NCAA, which involves testing, etc. If we're playing a team from some state with a high spread rate, but they're a team that follows the specific healthcare guidelines defined by the NCAA & even more so the MWC, & it's only the people who have been tested making the trip, do you really think the governor would block them? Is he blocking the Diamondbacks from playing the Padres, or saying no to the NFL? Programs are going to have to be able to show they're adhering to these guidelines and if not, I doubt they'd be playing this year anyway. If it's random people from Texas, Florida, etc., I get that, but these are people following specific protocol. Yes I do. The governor of New Mexico has asked UNM and NMSU to suspend sports. The NCAA is cute and all but colleges have to deal with their county and state first before listening to them.
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Post by moctezumaii on Jul 22, 2020 15:28:10 GMT -8
College sports are in trouble and it's a matter of time until they get pushed back. At some point some governor is not going to allow a college in his state to play a college from another state where they have high rate of spread. I doubt we will see any youth or high school sports in California until next summer/fall. Wear a mask. Don't go hangout with people. Don't go inside places with people from other households where masks are not being worn. Forget about your personal feelings and try to follow the simple guidelines and maybe in January things can actually move forward. Right now California is projected to have 12,000-36,000 daily infections on October 1st. No way anything in life moves forward if that's the case. California also have a projection of 4,000-8,000 daily infections on October 1st in people start wearing masks all the time. Which route is more likely to allow sports to happen in 2021? Which route is more likely to get kids back into school? SDSU has said they're only going to play teams who can adhere to at least the minimum guidelines set forth by the NCAA, which involves testing, etc. If we're playing a team from some state with a high spread rate, but they're a team that follows the specific healthcare guidelines defined by the NCAA & even more so the MWC, & it's only the people who have been tested making the trip, do you really think the governor would block them? Is he blocking the Diamondbacks from playing the Padres, or saying no to the NFL? Programs are going to have to be able to show they're adhering to these guidelines and if not, I doubt they'd be playing this year anyway. If it's random people from Texas, Florida, etc., I get that, but these are people following specific protocol. I dunno. California already blocks issues related to same sex marriage, Boise State was just added. California does things unilaterally All. The. Time. And the Guv'nor could give two shytes about the MWC's protocols and half a shyte about the NCAAs/ Conversely, the Padres and Diamond backs are professional teams largely outside the guv's purview while San Diego State is decidedly not. Gavin Newsom will block something like you elucidate, in my opinion, in a heartbeat. The man is a born grand-stander.
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Post by sdcoug on Jul 22, 2020 16:01:24 GMT -8
SDSU has said they're only going to play teams who can adhere to at least the minimum guidelines set forth by the NCAA, which involves testing, etc. If we're playing a team from some state with a high spread rate, but they're a team that follows the specific healthcare guidelines defined by the NCAA & even more so the MWC, & it's only the people who have been tested making the trip, do you really think the governor would block them? Is he blocking the Diamondbacks from playing the Padres, or saying no to the NFL? Programs are going to have to be able to show they're adhering to these guidelines and if not, I doubt they'd be playing this year anyway. If it's random people from Texas, Florida, etc., I get that, but these are people following specific protocol. I dunno. California already blocks issues related to same sex marriage, Boise State was just added. California does things unilaterally all. the. time. He could give two shytes about the MWC's protocols and half a shyte about the NCAAs/ The Padres and Diamond backs are professional teams largely outside the guv's purview. San Diego State is decidedly not. Gavin Newsom will block something like you elucidate, in my opinion, in a heartbeat. The man is a born grand-stander. First, Newsome didn't do anything re: Boise State, and didn't "block" anything related to sexual orientation/gender identity. The law, passed in 2017 before Newsome was even elected Governor, it dictated by the Attorney General and just said state funds can't be used to travel to those states, but that's just an accounting issue. We're still traveling there. Diamondbacks are a team from a high spread rate state flying into California. If he's going to block any planes from those types of states for college football he'd have to do it for all other sports and events. I could see him setting guidelines for stadium attendance, but again, that'd need to be universal across pro & college as well. The head of the Cal State system may have a say in it but doubt that unless SDSU goes 100% online.
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Post by moctezumaii on Jul 23, 2020 3:54:14 GMT -8
I dunno. California already blocks issues related to same sex marriage, Boise State was just added. California does things unilaterally all. the. time. He could give two shytes about the MWC's protocols and half a shyte about the NCAAs/ The Padres and Diamond backs are professional teams largely outside the guv's purview. San Diego State is decidedly not. Gavin Newsom will block something like you elucidate, in my opinion, in a heartbeat. The man is a born grand-stander. First, Newsome didn't do anything re: Boise State, and didn't "block" anything related to sexual orientation/gender identity. The law, passed in 2017 before Newsome was even elected Governor, it dictated by the Attorney General and just said state funds can't be used to travel to those states, but that's just an accounting issue. We're still traveling there. Diamondbacks are a team from a high spread rate state flying into California. If he's going to block any planes from those types of states for college football he'd have to do it for all other sports and events. I could see him setting guidelines for stadium attendance, but again, that'd need to be universal across pro & college as well. The head of the Cal State system may have a say in it but doubt that unless SDSU goes 100% online. First, I didn't say Newsom blocked Boise State travel plans or had anything to do with the same sex marriage law; I said that California already acts unilaterally, and offered that as an example. BUT given the construction of my sentence and starting out with 'He', can understand that misunderstanding. My bad, I added it after already mentioning his name in the second paragraph. Secondarily, regarding Newsom (or any other California entity/leader) setting guidelines for things like stadium attendance vis-a-vis the notion of aligning with other entities' protocols... California has a well-established history of acting unilaterally. The notion of the state has been, especially in recent years, that California leads the way and other states follow. And, sticking by my contention that Gavin Newsom is a meddler, he could well get involved in the travel plans of college sports teams, either directly or indirectly (via politically hard or soft power). I am NOT trying to be political here, BTW, only basing my judgement on watching Newsom's actions over the last 20 years in which he has always been active/a meddler (depending on your political point of view). And Canada has already unilaterally set a precedent of sorts for things like this by disallowing the Blue Jays to play in Toronto. Of course, this is just my opinion and I could be wrong. Cheers.
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Post by hoobs on Jul 23, 2020 6:21:08 GMT -8
"Meddler" could also be re-framed as a "Disrupter" which carries a more positive connotation.
California is a *disrupter* through having created its own emissions requirements, thus by default directly influencing the car manufacturers to build cleaner cars. Thus, "disruption" is a very positive outcome from what others might define as "meddling."
In this case, a version of "meddling" that forces college sports decisions to be based more on principles of science and health, instead of major college/conference and media financial interests (ie, greed), would be a very positive "disruption" from Gov Newsom / State of CA.
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