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Post by ptsdthor on Jun 19, 2020 8:13:00 GMT -8
thesocietypages.org/toolbox/police-killing-of-blacks/A summary of statistics on people killed by police by race (source is WaPo say the article) shows that Blacks are about 3.5 times more likely to be killed by police than their white counterparts and that is part of the prevailing evidence of racism within the various police forces in the country. Just to eliminate questions, that number is derived by taking the fraction of those killed by police by race and dividing that by the fraction of the total population of that race and comparing the results. Whites are 50.3% of the victims and 81% of the population (~.621) and blacks are 26.4% of the victims and 12% of the population (2.2). 2.2 divided by .621 = ~3.54. The data also shows that asians are 2% of the police victims and 5% of the population (.4 (asians) divided by .621 (whites) is ~.64). So asians are a third less likely to be killed by police than whites. Question - if the presumption from the info is that police are are assumed to be fraught with white racists, why then do the racist white police officers treat asians with less violence than they do people of their own race?
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 19, 2020 8:34:18 GMT -8
thesocietypages.org/toolbox/police-killing-of-blacks/A summary of statistics on people killed by police by race (source is WaPo say the article) shows that Blacks are about 3.5 times more likely to be killed by police than their white counterparts and that is part of the prevailing evidence of racism within the various police forces in the country. Just to eliminate questions, that number is derived by taking the fraction of those killed by police by race and dividing that by the fraction of the total population of that race and comparing the results. Whites are 50.3% of the victims and 81% of the population (~.621) and blacks are 26.4% of the victims and 12% of the population (2.2). 2.2 divided by .621 = ~3.54. The data also shows that asians are 2% of the police victims and 5% of the population (.4 (asians) divided by .621 (whites) is ~.64). So asians are a third less likely to be killed by police than whites. Question - if the presumption from the info is that police are are assumed to be fraught with white racists, why then do the racist white police officers treat asians with less violence than they do people of their own race? You cannot be serious with this.
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Post by ptsdthor on Jun 19, 2020 8:40:08 GMT -8
thesocietypages.org/toolbox/police-killing-of-blacks/A summary of statistics on people killed by police by race (source is WaPo say the article) shows that Blacks are about 3.5 times more likely to be killed by police than their white counterparts and that is part of the prevailing evidence of racism within the various police forces in the country. Just to eliminate questions, that number is derived by taking the fraction of those killed by police by race and dividing that by the fraction of the total population of that race and comparing the results. Whites are 50.3% of the victims and 81% of the population (~.621) and blacks are 26.4% of the victims and 12% of the population (2.2). 2.2 divided by .621 = ~3.54. The data also shows that asians are 2% of the police victims and 5% of the population (.4 (asians) divided by .621 (whites) is ~.64). So asians are a third less likely to be killed by police than whites. Question - if the presumption from the info is that police are are assumed to be fraught with white racists, why then do the racist white police officers treat asians with less violence than they do people of their own race? You cannot be serious with this. No, not really. I knew ahead of time that the inconvenience of the data would or could not be addressed.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 19, 2020 8:45:34 GMT -8
You cannot be serious with this. No, not really. I knew ahead of time that the inconvenience of the data would or could not be addressed. No, your last paragraph is nonsense. Why do white cops pull over less Asians than white people? The fact that you actually addressed that matters here is that black Americans are 2.5x more likely to be victims of police brutality. Here in San Diego it's more than double that.
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Post by ptsdthor on Jun 19, 2020 8:48:56 GMT -8
No, not really. I knew ahead of time that the inconvenience of the data would or could not be addressed. No, your last paragraph is nonsense. Why do white cops pull over less Asians than white people? The fact that you actually addressed that matters here is that black Americans are 2.5x more likely to be victims of police brutality. Here in San Diego it's more than double that. You ask: Why do white cops pull over less Asians than white people? Is that a stat somewhere? If so, you might be onto something?
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 19, 2020 8:51:42 GMT -8
No, your last paragraph is nonsense. Why do white cops pull over less Asians than white people? The fact that you actually addressed that matters here is that black Americans are 2.5x more likely to be victims of police brutality. Here in San Diego it's more than double that. You ask: Why do white cops pull over less Asians than white people? Is that a stat somewhere? If so, you might be onto something? It's what you just referenced in your post. Read your last paragraph again and try to clarify what you're asking.
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Post by ptsdthor on Jun 19, 2020 8:54:53 GMT -8
You ask: Why do white cops pull over less Asians than white people? Is that a stat somewhere? If so, you might be onto something? It's what you just referenced in your post. Read your last paragraph again and try to clarify what you're asking. Fairly simple - if police are assumed to be racists and predominantly white, why then do asians bear less of the brunt of that racism? Less that against whites even?
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 19, 2020 9:01:39 GMT -8
It's what you just referenced in your post. Read your last paragraph again and try to clarify what you're asking. Fairly simple - if police are assumed to be racists and predominantly white, why then do asians bear less of the brunt of that racism? Less that against whites even? They represent a far less substantial portion of the population and (just a guess) they represent higher socioeconomic status on average. Trying to interpret racial bias specific to a certain demographic is difficult, but the data against African Americans is clear.
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Post by ptsdthor on Jun 19, 2020 9:26:55 GMT -8
Fairly simple - if police are assumed to be racists and predominantly white, why then do asians bear less of the brunt of that racism? Less that against whites even? They represent a far less substantial portion of the population and (just a guess) they represent higher socioeconomic status on average. Trying to interpret racial bias specific to a certain demographic is difficult, but the data against African Americans is clear. I think there are enough asians in America for the sample size to large enough for sake of the analysis. Economic standing could be determinative. What about general attitudes toward the police? Who can say?
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 19, 2020 9:32:13 GMT -8
They represent a far less substantial portion of the population and (just a guess) they represent higher socioeconomic status on average. Trying to interpret racial bias specific to a certain demographic is difficult, but the data against African Americans is clear. I think there are enough asians in America for the sample size to large enough for sake of the analysis. Economic standing could be determinative. What about general attitudes toward the police? Who can say? It's difficult. African Americans because of racial segregation, impoverished upbringings, lack of access to resources and a host of other reasons are over-represented in the prison population and commit higher rates of crime. Systemic bias combined witb poor training, bully complexes and the power of the badge all play a role.
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Post by ptsdthor on Jun 19, 2020 9:46:23 GMT -8
I think there are enough asians in America for the sample size to large enough for sake of the analysis. Economic standing could be determinative. What about general attitudes toward the police? Who can say? It's difficult. African Americans because of racial segregation, impoverished upbringings, lack of access to resources and a host of other reasons are over-represented in the prison population and commit higher rates of crime. Systemic bias combined witb poor training, bully complexes and the power of the badge all play a role. Anecdotally, I have heard from a friend who has a sister living in Manhattan who has to move away (medical issues - needs assistance) and they are having trouble scheduling a moving van. People are leaving the city by the droves. I saw that same sentiment aired from a business owner adjacent to CHOP zone in Seattle (heading to Idaho). The result will make for even less economic opportunity for those who do not have skills and can't afford to move. And as much as it probably feels good to say "orange man bad" in various ways, the socialist uprising that usurped the legitimate grievances regarding police brutality will likely hurt the African American community more than it helps it. Democrat politicians, however, seem to love it.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 19, 2020 10:01:38 GMT -8
It's difficult. African Americans because of racial segregation, impoverished upbringings, lack of access to resources and a host of other reasons are over-represented in the prison population and commit higher rates of crime. Systemic bias combined witb poor training, bully complexes and the power of the badge all play a role. Anecdotally, I have heard from a friend who has a sister living in Manhattan who has to move away (medical issues - needs assistance) and they are having trouble scheduling a moving van. People are leaving the city by the droves. I saw that same sentiment aired from a business owner adjacent to CHOP zone in Seattle (heading to Idaho). The result will make for even less economic opportunity for those who do not have skills and can't afford to move. And as much as it probably feels good to say "orange man bad" in various ways, the socialist uprising that usurped the legitimate grievances regarding police brutality will likely hurt the African American community more than it helps it. Democrat politicians, however, seem to love it. I don't agree with that sentiment, despite the fact Donald Trump is derelict in his duties. Progress in small ways has already been made. One officer who murdered Breonna Taylor was fired today. More have been arrested, terminated and sent off to pasture. Police reform has been made at local levels. Good things are happening, with a long way to go.
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Post by ptsdthor on Jun 19, 2020 10:24:37 GMT -8
Anecdotally, I have heard from a friend who has a sister living in Manhattan who has to move away (medical issues - needs assistance) and they are having trouble scheduling a moving van. People are leaving the city by the droves. I saw that same sentiment aired from a business owner adjacent to CHOP zone in Seattle (heading to Idaho). The result will make for even less economic opportunity for those who do not have skills and can't afford to move. And as much as it probably feels good to say "orange man bad" in various ways, the socialist uprising that usurped the legitimate grievances regarding police brutality will likely hurt the African American community more than it helps it. Democrat politicians, however, seem to love it. I don't agree with that sentiment, despite the fact Donald Trump is derelict in his duties. Progress in small ways has already been made. One officer who murdered Breonna Taylor was fired today. More have been arrested, terminated and sent off to pasture. Police reform has been made at local levels. Good things are happening, with a long way to go. Not too difficult to get stats but while socio-economic trends for the "under represented minorities" generally go upward, the improvement is slower than compared to whites and significantly slower for the "over-represented" asian minority (ergo the desire for ACA-5). Asians don't seem to be encumbered by the "systemic racism" said to be in our society. The reasons why are likely cultural and not structural but then, it is hard to write a law to address that.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 19, 2020 10:33:37 GMT -8
I don't agree with that sentiment, despite the fact Donald Trump is derelict in his duties. Progress in small ways has already been made. One officer who murdered Breonna Taylor was fired today. More have been arrested, terminated and sent off to pasture. Police reform has been made at local levels. Good things are happening, with a long way to go. Not too difficult to get stats but while socio-economic trends for the "under represented minorities" generally go upward, the improvement is slower than compared to whites and significantly slower for the "over-represented" asian minority (ergo the desire for ACA-5). Asians don't seem to be encumbered by the "systemic racism" said to be in our society. The reasons why are likely cultural and not structural but then, it is hard to write a law to address that. www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/05/20/coronavirus-hate-crimes-against-asian-americans-continue-rise/5212123002/
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Post by ptsdthor on Jun 19, 2020 10:46:47 GMT -8
If idiocy among the citizenry is considered "systemic" policy, then it will never go away. I think Asians were also targeted when the American auto industry was crushed with the flood of imports staring decades ago. Didn't seem to be permanent.
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Post by ptsdthor on Jul 9, 2020 19:28:12 GMT -8
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Post by ptsdthor on Aug 6, 2020 14:55:23 GMT -8
m.facebook.com/AlphaNewsMN/videos/368633804119594/?v=368633804119594Here is a lecture given by Heather Mac Donald of the Manhattan Institute citing authoritative data on police shootings of unarmed suspects when calculated vs their total interactions with the police (as opposed to their total population). Fact based and generally disproves the narrative that says unarmed blacks are disproportionately killed by white (or all) police. It wasn't a surprise, however, that it was temporarily taken off of YouTube "mistakenly" but, citing their "community guidelines", YouTube deemed her lecture inappropriate for children under 18 and blocked access to minors. It seem facts are the domain of the right wing wackos and anyone like Heather using them should be censored where possible
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