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Post by podpeople on Jun 19, 2020 7:21:20 GMT -8
As a American born Mexican that will be 42 years old come September, I have always been aware of bigotry, racism, and white privilege. It's been intrinsic to being raised in this country as a minority. Never in my mind did I come to ever foresee the events that have created the uprising since the horrific murder George Floyd.
White people, I want to know, why have you been so angry and hateful towards people of brown skin for so long?
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 23, 2020 20:12:46 GMT -8
As a American born Mexican that will be 42 years old come September, I have always been aware of bigotry, racism, and white privilege. It's been intrinsic to being raised in this country as a minority. Never in my mind did I come to ever foresee the events that have created the uprising since the horrific murder George Floyd. White people, I want to know, why have you been so angry and hateful towards people of brown skin for so long? Why do you generalize? There are good and bad in all races.
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Post by Spud on Jul 29, 2020 16:50:14 GMT -8
As a American born Mexican that will be 42 years old come September, I have always been aware of bigotry, racism, and white privilege. It's been intrinsic to being raised in this country as a minority. Never in my mind did I come to ever foresee the events that have created the uprising since the horrific murder George Floyd. White people, I want to know, why have you been so angry and hateful towards people of brown skin for so long? Oh brother....racism exists within ALL races/creeds/colors, etc...it's not just a "white" thing. Having traveled the world quite a bit, I've seen racism and discrimination based on race/economic status/religion, etc. all over the planet. Ignorance doesn't segregate itself to one particular race/ideology. I would opine that your baited question would count as a racist view of "white people". Perhaps you should take a moment to reflect what racism exists within your local community and realize that being Mexican doesn't mean that "brown skin" people are immune to racism. Come on, you can do better than that.
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Post by sdsuball on Dec 24, 2020 8:20:22 GMT -8
As a American born Mexican that will be 42 years old come September, I have always been aware of bigotry, racism, and white privilege. It's been intrinsic to being raised in this country as a minority. Never in my mind did I come to ever foresee the events that have created the uprising since the horrific murder George Floyd. White people, I want to know, why have you been so angry and hateful towards people of brown skin for so long? Oh brother....racism exists within ALL races/creeds/colors, etc...it's not just a "white" thing. Having traveled the world quite a bit, I've seen racism and discrimination based on race/economic status/religion, etc. all over the planet. Ignorance doesn't segregate itself to one particular race/ideology. I would opine that your baited question would count as a racist view of "white people". Perhaps you should take a moment to reflect what racism exists within your local community and realize that being Mexican doesn't mean that "brown skin" people are immune to racism. Come on, you can do better than that. Perhaps his lived experiences with racism have been different then yours. Certainly it is clear that racism in America is a direct result of white supremacy that began with the eviction of Native American people by White settlers, and the enslavement of Africans by white settlers. Notice a commonality? It's white people harming non-white people, for economic gain and dominion over America. It's the same thing that Spanish Europeans did to native peoples in Mexico and Spanish California. That is what white supremacy is. White supremacy manifests itself today in the form of racism. You have not lived in his shoes, so please stop ignoring his perspective, as a Mexican man. You may have observed racism, but you don't live it. Yes, obviously racism is present in different cultures, but the dynamic is different when one race (White people) who outnumbers the other races in a country (America), systematically discriminates against other groups of people, and historically has enslaved minorities or evicted them from their native lands. You can't just sit there and turn a blind eye to the inequality in America racially. It is as much a part of American history and lived experience as the Constitution (it was in the Constitution), the Civil War and George Floyd.
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Post by johneaztec on Jan 6, 2021 23:17:35 GMT -8
Oh brother....racism exists within ALL races/creeds/colors, etc...it's not just a "white" thing. Having traveled the world quite a bit, I've seen racism and discrimination based on race/economic status/religion, etc. all over the planet. Ignorance doesn't segregate itself to one particular race/ideology. I would opine that your baited question would count as a racist view of "white people". Perhaps you should take a moment to reflect what racism exists within your local community and realize that being Mexican doesn't mean that "brown skin" people are immune to racism. Come on, you can do better than that. Perhaps his lived experiences with racism have been different then yours. Certainly it is clear that racism in America is a direct result of white supremacy that began with the eviction of Native American people by White settlers, and the enslavement of Africans by white settlers. Notice a commonality? It's white people harming non-white people, for economic gain and dominion over America. It's the same thing that Spanish Europeans did to native peoples in Mexico and Spanish California. That is what white supremacy is. White supremacy manifests itself today in the form of racism. You have not lived in his shoes, so please stop ignoring his perspective, as a Mexican man. You may have observed racism, but you don't live it. Yes, obviously racism is present in different cultures, but the dynamic is different when one race (White people) who outnumbers the other races in a country (America), systematically discriminates against other groups of people, and historically has enslaved minorities or evicted them from their native lands. You can't just sit there and turn a blind eye to the inequality in America racially. It is as much a part of American history and lived experience as the Constitution (it was in the Constitution), the Civil War and George Floyd. I think it's more about the way he singled out white people in his last sentence. He seemed to be trying to exacerbate the situation, etc....
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Post by aztecterrier on Jan 11, 2021 14:32:02 GMT -8
So... white people of Aztec Mesa: How about that coup attempt?!?! If it had been people of color, Trump's military would have mowed them down. Right?
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Post by sdsuball on Jan 16, 2021 22:40:23 GMT -8
Perhaps his lived experiences with racism have been different then yours. Certainly it is clear that racism in America is a direct result of white supremacy that began with the eviction of Native American people by White settlers, and the enslavement of Africans by white settlers. Notice a commonality? It's white people harming non-white people, for economic gain and dominion over America. It's the same thing that Spanish Europeans did to native peoples in Mexico and Spanish California. That is what white supremacy is. White supremacy manifests itself today in the form of racism. You have not lived in his shoes, so please stop ignoring his perspective, as a Mexican man. You may have observed racism, but you don't live it. Yes, obviously racism is present in different cultures, but the dynamic is different when one race (White people) who outnumbers the other races in a country (America), systematically discriminates against other groups of people, and historically has enslaved minorities or evicted them from their native lands. You can't just sit there and turn a blind eye to the inequality in America racially. It is as much a part of American history and lived experience as the Constitution (it was in the Constitution), the Civil War and George Floyd. I think it's more about the way he singled out white people in his last sentence. He seemed to be trying to exacerbate the situation, etc.... Yeah, I mean I get that white people today might feel like they are being unfairly singled out. Its important to remember that White people are not personally responsible for their history, but that to turn a blind eye to structural or institutional racism is to perpetuate the status quo, and supports a system of White privilege. I think that its difficult for White people to understand non-White perspectives in America because it's somewhat invisible to white people what it is like to live in the US as a person of color. There is this myth of colorblindness in America - that is, the idea that since the Civil Rights movement, racism and discrimination went away. This myth continues to push down people of color because it blinds White people to discrimination and racism in the world around them. The historical background of colonization of indigenous people and enslavement of African people continues to shape the dynamics of wealth and income inequality, water rights, environmental justice, indigenous sovereignty, and inequal police and sentencing treatment in America. Its important for all people to realize that this didn't magically go away and that this history has had profound long term consequences for people of color that persist today. The BLM movement is not anti-White. The reason why the counter-phrase 'all lives matter' is so offensive to BLM supporters is because that is precisely the Myth that has been perpetuated over the last 50 years. Obviously all lives don't matter equally to some police officers.. If you look at the attack on our Capital by Trump supporters, those protesters/domestic terrorists weren't treated very seriously at first. Only one protester was shot. They were all white (at least that I could see anyways). If those were BLM protesters, I would bet that hundreds of them would have been shot when they tried to enter the Capital building. That's the difference between being white or of color in this country.
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Jan 22, 2021 10:59:30 GMT -8
So... white people of Aztec Mesa: How about that coup attempt?!?! If it had been people of color, Trump's military would have mowed them down. Right? No. Obviously. There were many, many protests in the Nation's Capitol over the summer and Trump's military didn't mow them down. In fact, law enforcement was armed with rubber and plastic bullets to protect lives this summer, but used steel jacketed lead bullets against the Trump supporters. Just because you wokesters treat hypothetical black protesters worse in your imagination doesn't mean it is reality. ...But I have a question for you: So... woke people of Aztec Mesa: Why is it racist to call it the "Wuhan Virus" but perfectly acceptable to call the new, more potentially contagious strains of the virus the "UK Variant" and the "South African Strain"?
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Post by johneaztec on Jan 24, 2021 18:37:16 GMT -8
So... white people of Aztec Mesa: How about that coup attempt?!?! If it had been people of color, Trump's military would have mowed them down. Right? No. Obviously. There were many, many protests in the Nation's Capitol over the summer and Trump's military didn't mow them down. In fact, law enforcement was armed with rubber and plastic bullets to protect lives this summer, but used steel jacketed lead bullets against the Trump supporters. Just because you wokesters treat hypothetical black protesters worse in your imagination doesn't mean it is reality. ...But I have a question for you: So... woke people of Aztec Mesa: Why is it racist to call it the "Wuhan Virus" but perfectly acceptable to call the new, more potentially contagious strains of the virus the "UK Variant" and the "South African Strain"? Boom.
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 25, 2021 8:41:42 GMT -8
No. Obviously. There were many, many protests in the Nation's Capitol over the summer and Trump's military didn't mow them down. In fact, law enforcement was armed with rubber and plastic bullets to protect lives this summer, but used steel jacketed lead bullets against the Trump supporters. Just because you wokesters treat hypothetical black protesters worse in your imagination doesn't mean it is reality. ...But I have a question for you: So... woke people of Aztec Mesa: Why is it racist to call it the "Wuhan Virus" but perfectly acceptable to call the new, more potentially contagious strains of the virus the "UK Variant" and the "South African Strain"? Boom. Boom what? If you can't spot the obvious difference here, you're just baiting. It's as bad as your take on equivalating racism. The Wuhan Virus when used in the context that it was by people who are trying to galvanize a base of with obvious racist tendencies gets people of any Asian origin attacked. Serious problem. www.hrw.org/news/2020/05/12/covid-19-fueling-anti-asian-racism-and-xenophobia-worldwideDo you really think people of the UK are going to be targeted over this? People (read : dumb) still blame China for the spread of the virus here, instead of blaming the real culprit : Our apathetic, clumsy and indifferent response to fighting it. This isn't hard to grasp.
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Jan 25, 2021 9:59:53 GMT -8
Boom what? If you can't spot the obvious difference here, you're just baiting. It's as bad as your take on equivalating racism. The Wuhan Virus when used in the context that it was by people who are trying to galvanize a base of with obvious racist tendencies gets people of any Asian origin attacked. Serious problem. www.hrw.org/news/2020/05/12/covid-19-fueling-anti-asian-racism-and-xenophobia-worldwideDo you really think people of the UK are going to be targeted over this? People (read : dumb) still blame China for the spread of the virus here, instead of blaming the real culprit : Our apathetic, clumsy and indifferent response to fighting it. This isn't hard to grasp. Apparently it is as easy to grasp as a circle. You are saying the term “Wuhan Virus” is racist because racist people use it and you and tell they are racist because they use terms like “Wuhan Virus”. But using the terms “UK Variant” is not racist because it is used by non-racist people and you can tell they are non-racist because it is not like they’d say “Wuhan Virus”. GTFO. The truth is that anyone believing what you wrote is a sheep who has fallen for a marketing campaign. All three terms are places of first discovery appended to a term for a pathogen. There is absolutely nothing intrinsically racist or even different except for the different points on the planet they refer to. The obvious difference here is that one of the places in one of the names is pouring a huge amount of money and wielding every bit of influence they can in an effort to get people to forget where this pandemic started. To deny that is to deny the obvious reality in front of your face. Don’t be a sheep.
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Post by johneaztec on Jan 25, 2021 11:26:58 GMT -8
Boom what? If you can't spot the obvious difference here, you're just baiting. It's as bad as your take on equivalating racism. The Wuhan Virus when used in the context that it was by people who are trying to galvanize a base of with obvious racist tendencies gets people of any Asian origin attacked. Serious problem. www.hrw.org/news/2020/05/12/covid-19-fueling-anti-asian-racism-and-xenophobia-worldwideDo you really think people of the UK are going to be targeted over this? People (read : dumb) still blame China for the spread of the virus here, instead of blaming the real culprit : Our apathetic, clumsy and indifferent response to fighting it. This isn't hard to grasp. Ryan, you can pick and choose what terms you want to be racist. It's simply the origin of it. People can make things out to be what they want them to be. Racists are going to be racists, with or without mentioning the origin of it.
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 25, 2021 11:41:59 GMT -8
Boom what? If you can't spot the obvious difference here, you're just baiting. It's as bad as your take on equivalating racism. The Wuhan Virus when used in the context that it was by people who are trying to galvanize a base of with obvious racist tendencies gets people of any Asian origin attacked. Serious problem. www.hrw.org/news/2020/05/12/covid-19-fueling-anti-asian-racism-and-xenophobia-worldwideDo you really think people of the UK are going to be targeted over this? People (read : dumb) still blame China for the spread of the virus here, instead of blaming the real culprit : Our apathetic, clumsy and indifferent response to fighting it. This isn't hard to grasp. Ryan, you can pick and choose what terms you want to be racist. It's simply the origin of it. People can make things out to be what they want them to be. Racists are going to be racists, with or without mentioning the origin of it. A typical lame and dodgy response that doesn't address the danger of the problem. One is a real issue - The other is a false equivalance. You live in a bubble. "What has become clear" is you will go along with whatever drivel you are fed by the OP and your nobility dies there. "Wuhan Virus" was not used by anyone without an agenda to inflame tensions and promote this idea that China was to blame for our failures. This variant strain was found all over the world - California, Colorado, the UK, etc. You have to actually look at context here because it matters. Nobody is going to hunt people of Johannesburg over this.
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Post by johneaztec on Jan 25, 2021 12:01:12 GMT -8
Ryan, you can pick and choose what terms you want to be racist. It's simply the origin of it. People can make things out to be what they want them to be. Racists are going to be racists, with or without mentioning the origin of it. A typical lame and dodgy response that doesn't address the danger of the problem. One is a real issue - The other is a false equivalance. You live in a bubble. "What has become clear" is you will go along with whatever drivel you are fed by the OP and your nobility dies there. "Wuhan Virus" was not used by anyone without an agenda to inflame tensions and promote this idea that China was to blame for our failures. This variant strain was found all over the world - California, Colorado, the UK, etc. You have to actually look at context here because it matters. Nobody is going to hunt people of Johannesburg over this. Nope, I don't go along with everything he posts. I simply happen to agree with him here.
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 25, 2021 14:23:35 GMT -8
A typical lame and dodgy response that doesn't address the danger of the problem. One is a real issue - The other is a false equivalance. You live in a bubble. "What has become clear" is you will go along with whatever drivel you are fed by the OP and your nobility dies there. "Wuhan Virus" was not used by anyone without an agenda to inflame tensions and promote this idea that China was to blame for our failures. This variant strain was found all over the world - California, Colorado, the UK, etc. You have to actually look at context here because it matters. Nobody is going to hunt people of Johannesburg over this. Nope, I don't go along with everything he posts. I simply happen to agree with him here. Right. You consistently like his posts. All the time. You know we can see things on here, right? Lol. Congrats, you just okay'd racism here again. Kudos.
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Post by johneaztec on Jan 25, 2021 15:09:58 GMT -8
Nope, I don't go along with everything he posts. I simply happen to agree with him here. Right. You consistently like his posts. All the time. You know we can see things on here, right? Lol. Congrats, you just okay'd racism here again. Kudos. There's a lot that he says that I agree with, but not everything. I don't see it as racism at all. Of course everyone can see things on here such as likes, etc.... You see things differently than me, and I think that's ok, but when someone doesn't see things your way, you criticize. That's just simply your style, and the way you express yourself. Have at it. It doesn't affect me at all Ryan.
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 25, 2021 16:10:30 GMT -8
Right. You consistently like his posts. All the time. You know we can see things on here, right? Lol. Congrats, you just okay'd racism here again. Kudos. There's a lot that he says that I agree with, but not everything. I don't see it as racism at all. Of course everyone can see things on here such as likes, etc.... You see things differently than me, and I think that's ok, but when someone doesn't see things your way, you criticize. That's just simply your style, and the way you express yourself. Have it. It doesn't affect me at all Ryan. You see it as criticism? That doesn't open your eyes a little bit as to maybe the problem is you view things in an indifferent manner? I'm not trying to affect you, I'm trying to illustrate your lack of understanding on serious issues. Some things are black and white. This is one of them. You equating unrelated things in an effort to "Boom" shows a lack of understanding of the problem at hand. My goal isn't to criticize you, but you're doing yourself a disservice here following the person who posted an obviously disingenuous false equivalence.
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Post by johneaztec on Jan 25, 2021 16:42:37 GMT -8
There's a lot that he says that I agree with, but not everything. I don't see it as racism at all. Of course everyone can see things on here such as likes, etc.... You see things differently than me, and I think that's ok, but when someone doesn't see things your way, you criticize. That's just simply your style, and the way you express yourself. Have it. It doesn't affect me at all Ryan. You see it as criticism? That doesn't open your eyes a little bit as to maybe the problem is you view things in an indifferent manner? I'm not trying to affect you, I'm trying to illustrate your lack of understanding on serious issues. Some things are black and white. This is one of them. You equating unrelated things in an effort to "Boom" shows a lack of understanding of the problem at hand. My goal isn't to criticize you, but you're doing yourself a disservice here following the person who posted an obviously disingenuous false equivalence. Ok.
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Jan 27, 2021 11:50:02 GMT -8
Congrats, you just okay'd racism here again. Kudos. …and why is it racism? Because racist people use the racist term which is racist because racist people use it?
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Post by azson on Jan 27, 2021 12:22:55 GMT -8
Congrats, you just okay'd racism here again. Kudos. …and why is it racism? Because racist people use the racist term which is racist because racist people use it? There are few greater ironies in the world than a Trump supporter posting a clip from Idiocracy to make a point.
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