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Post by aztecryan on Jun 2, 2020 9:13:11 GMT -8
One is significantly more important, I would hope. Certainly. Much love, sir. Be safe and be well.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2020 13:06:40 GMT -8
Be safe, brotha. Take care!
Hopefully we have some baseball to talk about in weeks, months, who knows......LOL
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Post by aardvark on Jun 9, 2020 13:13:16 GMT -8
MLB wants a response from the MLBPA by tomorrow regarding MLB's proposal for a 76 game season with 50% of prorated pay (75% if the playoffs are completed). Reports are that the MLBPA is holding fast to their demand that the players receive their full prorated salary based on number of games played. This does not look good. It also doesn't look good for the new CBA, that expires after next season.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 9, 2020 14:26:41 GMT -8
MLB wants a response from the MLBPA by tomorrow regarding MLB's proposal for a 76 game season with 50% of prorated pay (75% if the playoffs are completed). Reports are that the MLBPA is holding fast to their demand that the players receive their full prorated salary based on number of games played. This does not look good. It also doesn't look good for the new CBA, that expires after next season. Every offer that MLB has made is essentially the same offer in terms of pay, just a different number of games. Players should hold firm. The draft is tomorrow, which I'm truly excited for.
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Post by aardvark on Jun 9, 2020 16:31:34 GMT -8
The latest player's proposal is 89 games, with full prorated pay and expanded playoffs (no details). They are just getting closer to an 81-82 game abbreviated season. But the players are standing firm on the full prorated salaries. And they should.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 9, 2020 16:41:19 GMT -8
The latest player's proposal is 89 games, with full prorated pay and expanded playoffs (no details). They are just getting closer to an 81-82 game abbreviated season. But the players are standing firm on the full prorated salaries. And they should. Owners will reject this latest proposal. Like clockwork.
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Post by aardvark on Jun 10, 2020 10:00:44 GMT -8
In the last week, you have 2 owners claiming that owning a baseball team just isn't that profitable. First, it was the Cubs (#4 in franchise valuations, based on valuations by Forbes, with a franchise value of $3.2 billion, and $68 million in operating income, with a 3% increase in value over last year), and now it is the Cardinals (#7, $2.2 billion, $72 million in operating income, 5% increase in value) singing the blues about how much money they actually make.
For point of argument, the Padres are listed at #17, with a value of $1.45 billion, $52 million in income, and a 7% increase in year-over-year value.
The only team Forbes estimated that was not making a profit was also the only team not valued at a billion dollars or higher--the Miami Marlins.
There may be those on this board that disagree with me, but I am on the side of the players in this battle.
And yes, I realize that at least part of the shortened season this year (if there even is a season), there will be no fans. But MLB has made oodles of money just last year, along with increasing revenue streams over the last 10 seasons, so I think that the owners are really "screwing the pooch" with their negotiations with the players regarding a shortened 2020 season. This will also make the new CBA negotiations after next season just that much more contentious.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 10, 2020 10:06:51 GMT -8
In the last week, you have 2 owners claiming that owning a baseball team just isn't that profitable. First, it was the Cubs (#4 in franchise valuations, based on valuations by Forbes, with a franchise value of $3.2 billion, and $68 million in operating income, with a 3% increase in value over last year), and now it is the Cardinals (#7, $2.2 billion, $72 million in operating income, 5% increase in value) singing the blues about how much money they actually make. For point of argument, the Padres are listed at #17, with a value of $1.45 billion, $52 million in income, and a 7% increase in year-over-year value. The only team Forbes estimated that was not making a profit was also the only team not valued at a billion dollars or higher--the Miami Marlins. There may be those on this board that disagree with me, but I am on the side of the players in this battle. And yes, I realize that at least part of the shortened season this year (if there even is a season), there will be no fans. But MLB has made oodles of money just last year, along with increasing revenue streams over the last 10 seasons, so I think that the owners are really "screwing the pooch" with their negotiations with the players regarding a shortened 2020 season. This will also make the new CBA negotiations after next season just that much more contentious. Spoiler alert : They aren't telling the truth.
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Post by aardvark on Jun 11, 2020 11:53:25 GMT -8
Manfred is pretty adamant regarding the MLBPA, stating that they need to get off of the 100% prorated salaries number.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 11, 2020 13:07:51 GMT -8
Manfred is pretty adamant regarding the MLBPA, stating that they need to get off of the 100% prorated salaries number. Which is extremely disappointing.
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Post by aardvark on Jun 12, 2020 8:39:05 GMT -8
According to ESPN, the next offer from the owners is a 70-75 game season, at 80-85% of full prorated salaries. I don't expect the players to accept this, either.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 12, 2020 8:59:55 GMT -8
According to ESPN, the next offer from the owners is a 70-75 game season, at 80-85% of full prorated salaries. I don't expect the players to accept this, either. They won't. Kudos to Karl Ravech yesterday for calling out Manfred.
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Post by aardvark on Jun 12, 2020 17:09:23 GMT -8
Should Manfred decide to impose their proposed short season (48 games), the MLBPA will probably immediately file a grievance against MLB. This will not end well.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 12, 2020 17:45:22 GMT -8
Should Manfred decide to impose their proposed short season (48 games), the MLBPA will probably immediately file a grievance against MLB. This will not end well. I had to laugh when MLB sent the PA a letter, arguing they were negotiating in bad faith. The owners have sent I believe now 4 nearly identical proposals, claiming to move towards the players. It's absolutely ridiculous and a victim complex.
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Post by aardvark on Jun 12, 2020 18:38:01 GMT -8
Should Manfred decide to impose their proposed short season (48 games), the MLBPA will probably immediately file a grievance against MLB. This will not end well. I had to laugh when MLB sent the PA a letter, arguing they were negotiating in bad faith. The owners have sent I believe now 4 nearly identical proposals, claiming to move towards the players. It's absolutely ridiculous and a victim complex. The MLBPA has been pretty consistent through all of this. The number of games may have changed, but the pay demand has stayed the same. Full prorated salaries. They aren't budging on that. Nor should they. And it figures, as this is the first year in 5 seasons that got some sort of season ticket plan, and it's doubtful I will even see one game.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 12, 2020 18:49:47 GMT -8
I had to laugh when MLB sent the PA a letter, arguing they were negotiating in bad faith. The owners have sent I believe now 4 nearly identical proposals, claiming to move towards the players. It's absolutely ridiculous and a victim complex. The MLBPA has been pretty consistent through all of this. The number of games may have changed, but the pay demand has stayed the same. Full prorated salaries. They aren't budging on that. Nor should they. And it figures, as this is the first year in 5 seasons that got some sort of season ticket plan, and it's doubtful I will even see one game. The variable now is the virus.
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Post by aardvark on Jun 13, 2020 16:39:30 GMT -8
The Players Association (predictably) has rejected the last offer from the owners, and did not respond with a counter-offer. The next step? The commissioner will impose a very short schedule of 48-54 games, and the MLBPA is immediately expected to file a grievance against MLB. This will put whatever is left of this season in doubt, it will essentially kill whatever short season there could have been in the affiliated minor leagues, and will create a very contentious debate regarding a new CBA, as the current CBA runs through the 2021 season.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 13, 2020 17:55:37 GMT -8
The Players Association (predictably) has rejected the last offer from the owners, and did not respond with a counter-offer. The next step? The commissioner will impose a very short schedule of 48-54 games, and the MLBPA is immediately expected to file a grievance against MLB. This will put whatever is left of this season in doubt, it will essentially kill whatever short season there could have been in the affiliated minor leagues, and will create a very contentious debate regarding a new CBA, as the current CBA runs through the 2021 season. The owners have gone on record insinuating that owning a team isn't profitable, yet they won't open the books. This hurts the Padres in a major way, losing a year of control with Machado and Tatis, among others. Next season at this point would seem up in the air as the negotiatons have just been aired out in public far too much and there is extreme animosity.
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Post by sdsu2000 on Jun 14, 2020 10:45:17 GMT -8
At least every week that goes by the Padres will lose less games this season. Wasn’t 2021 the year anyways?
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 14, 2020 11:09:21 GMT -8
At least every week that goes by the Padres will lose less games this season. Wasn’t 2021 the year anyways? 2021 might not even be played. While the Padres will likely compete for the playoffs this year, it's not a good direction for the future of the sport.
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