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Post by sdgaucho on Apr 13, 2020 20:20:23 GMT -8
Sports will be played without a vaccine. The Bundesliga (German pro futbol/football) will be restart their season by May.
As far as everything else, who knows. I do know that we've done a great job bending the curve in CA which is what we set out to do back on 3/19. What's next?
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Post by MontezumasRevenge on Apr 13, 2020 21:24:53 GMT -8
Pro team owners have absolutely been sticking it to fans over the past decade with ticket and concession price increases. I hope this reset forces them to reevaluate what they pay their players, and therefore charge the fans to go to games. As far as I am concerned, our wildly successful local baseball team can shove its $15 beers you know where going forward. Why reference the Padres when you can look to our own AD, who when asked about the bball ticket price increase in light of the coronavirus situation basically said, oh well we can't do anything about it now because the emails already went out.
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Post by RiffelBooks on Apr 14, 2020 16:13:36 GMT -8
Well, this just got even worse for the sports scene in California. Gov. Newsom announced his six criteria to be met before large gatherings are allowed again in the state, and the SF Chronicle suggests it could take up to a year. www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/California-s-coronavirus-reopening-Gov-Gavin-15200205.phpThe prognostication may or may not be right, and Newsom might or might not be overplaying his hand -- I'm just throwing this out for info purposes.
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Post by longtimebooster on Apr 14, 2020 18:05:44 GMT -8
Sports will be played without a vaccine. The Bundesliga (German pro futbol/football) will be restart their season by May. As far as everything else, who knows. I do know that we've done a great job bending the curve in CA which is what we set out to do back on 3/19. What's next? The Bundesliga will not start by May. And a top German virologist says soccer won’t likely be played in Germany for at least 12 months.
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Post by AztecCamera on Apr 15, 2020 8:20:27 GMT -8
I don't know what the Bundlesligchman is, but the German people attacked their own police in Germany because they did not want to adhere to stay at home orders. Reminds me when there is a blackout at an Aztec game and people show up wearing red, when red is the color of the opposing team.
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Post by hoobs on Apr 15, 2020 9:24:45 GMT -8
I don't know what the Bundlesligchman is, but the German people attacked their own police in Germany because they did not want to adhere to stay at home orders. Reminds me when there is a blackout at an Aztec game and people show up wearing red, when red is the color of the opposing team. "The German people"? Um, no. A small group of idiots got into what I'd call a minor scuffle (threw rocks and such) with police who were trying to get them to disperse. The way you wrote it makes it sound like there's a huge nation-wide protest movement about the stay at home orders. For better or worse, Germans are generally pretty good at following orders. It's like the English being good at forming orderly lines to stand in while waiting.
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Post by wayno503 on Apr 15, 2020 14:27:20 GMT -8
I haven't been through this whole thread but one thing that will hamper college sports more than pro sports is that I don't believe there will be college sports UNTIL STUDENTS ARE ALLOWED BACK TO CLASS. I think the shut in rules will be loosened by the end of May. Restaurants may begin to open with half their capacity. Many people will go back to work if they can maintain lots of space. An abundance of testing will certainly help. But will school be back in session by Fall? Maybe not the traditional way that we've always known. Again maybe with lots of space in big classrooms. We'll have to see. As far as fans in stadiums for concerts or sporting events, I don't see that until either we A. have a vaccine that everyone has access to or B. we develop a treatment that severely limits the case fatality rate and makes most people feel better very soon. or C. the virus itself mutates into extinction. All are possibilities but none of them a sure thing in the short or even medium term. One other thing is possible. We could discover that many, many more pepole have had the virus already and didn't know it, or didn't get that sick.. which would mean we are closer to heard immunity. Me, myself, I think the numbers of people exposed to the virus are ten times maybe more than the current case count. I just don't see how it could have settled into all those nursing homes without being very widespread. We just notice it there more obviously because of the frail community. My two cents and crossing fingers.
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Post by longtimebooster on Apr 16, 2020 4:04:11 GMT -8
I haven't been through this whole thread but one thing that will hamper college sports more than pro sports is that I don't believe there will be college sports UNTIL STUDENTS ARE ALLOWED BACK TO CLASS. I think the shut in rules will be loosened by the end of May. Restaurants may begin to open with half their capacity. Many people will go back to work if they can maintain lots of space. An abundance of testing will certainly help. But will school be back in session by Fall? Maybe not the traditional way that we've always known. Again maybe with lots of space in big classrooms. We'll have to see. As far as fans in stadiums for concerts or sporting events, I don't see that until either we A. have a vaccine that everyone has access to or B. we develop a treatment that severely limits the case fatality rate and makes most people feel better very soon. or C. the virus itself mutates into extinction. All are possibilities but none of them a sure thing in the short or even medium term. One other thing is possible. We could discover that many, many more pepole have had the virus already and didn't know it, or didn't get that sick.. which would mean we are closer to heard immunity. Me, myself, I think the numbers of people exposed to the virus are ten times maybe more than the current case count. I just don't see how it could have settled into all those nursing homes without being very widespread. We just notice it there more obviously because of the frail community. My two cents and crossing fingers. Concur with everything you said, except most experts -- virologists, epidemiologists, public health officials -- are now saying that there won't likely be major sporting events, college or pro, until 2021. The opportunities for additional major outbreaks of the virus are just too costly and extreme. Further, it's not even up to the colleges or teams, it's up to the mayors and governors. Mayor Garcetti in L.A. has said he doesn't see sporting events and concerts able to resume for at least 12 months, maybe longer. I would add that most people are thinking about opening up the economy and our day-to-day activities bass akward. Opening everything up isn't a strategy. It's a goal. Until we have a clear strategy with actions, timelines and metrics, we will never achieve our goal, which for everyone, no matter what political stripe, is to rid ourselves of this curse. And our strategy must be universal testing, universal contact tracing, universal housing of those infected, universal serological testing for antibodies so we can identify those with immunity, and, of course, the development of both therapies for the sick and vaccines to shield the well from getting sick. Until we're willing and able to do all or most of the above, we're just like the drunk at the end of the bar who's talking out of his @ss. But at least the drunk has an excuse. He's drunk. Meanwhile, we, the sober, have much work to do.
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Post by johneaztec on Apr 16, 2020 12:48:11 GMT -8
I haven't been through this whole thread but one thing that will hamper college sports more than pro sports is that I don't believe there will be college sports UNTIL STUDENTS ARE ALLOWED BACK TO CLASS. I think the shut in rules will be loosened by the end of May. Restaurants may begin to open with half their capacity. Many people will go back to work if they can maintain lots of space. An abundance of testing will certainly help. But will school be back in session by Fall? Maybe not the traditional way that we've always known. Again maybe with lots of space in big classrooms. We'll have to see. As far as fans in stadiums for concerts or sporting events, I don't see that until either we A. have a vaccine that everyone has access to or B. we develop a treatment that severely limits the case fatality rate and makes most people feel better very soon. or C. the virus itself mutates into extinction. All are possibilities but none of them a sure thing in the short or even medium term. One other thing is possible. We could discover that many, many more pepole have had the virus already and didn't know it, or didn't get that sick.. which would mean we are closer to heard immunity. Me, myself, I think the numbers of people exposed to the virus are ten times maybe more than the current case count. I just don't see how it could have settled into all those nursing homes without being very widespread. We just notice it there more obviously because of the frail community. My two cents and crossing fingers. I agree, but aren't classrooms packed to the hilt? If they only allow half the students in the classroom, what happens to the other half of the students? Maybe some do online?
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Post by ourtime on Apr 16, 2020 13:08:15 GMT -8
I haven't been through this whole thread but one thing that will hamper college sports more than pro sports is that I don't believe there will be college sports UNTIL STUDENTS ARE ALLOWED BACK TO CLASS. I think the shut in rules will be loosened by the end of May. Restaurants may begin to open with half their capacity. Many people will go back to work if they can maintain lots of space. An abundance of testing will certainly help. But will school be back in session by Fall? Maybe not the traditional way that we've always known. Again maybe with lots of space in big classrooms. We'll have to see. As far as fans in stadiums for concerts or sporting events, I don't see that until either we A. have a vaccine that everyone has access to or B. we develop a treatment that severely limits the case fatality rate and makes most people feel better very soon. or C. the virus itself mutates into extinction. All are possibilities but none of them a sure thing in the short or even medium term. One other thing is possible. We could discover that many, many more pepole have had the virus already and didn't know it, or didn't get that sick.. which would mean we are closer to heard immunity. Me, myself, I think the numbers of people exposed to the virus are ten times maybe more than the current case count. I just don't see how it could have settled into all those nursing homes without being very widespread. We just notice it there more obviously because of the frail community. My two cents and crossing fingers. I agree, but aren't classrooms packed to the hilt? If they only allow half the students in the classroom, what happens to the other half of the students? Maybe some do online? They are packed. Some of the ideas being tossed around are half go in the morning, the other half in the afternoon. The students won't change classes instead the teachers will. I don't know how you will keep younger kids and those with special needs separate. If this continues well into next school year there will be an education gap that shows sometime in the next 5 - 10 years. Distance learning is fine for college kids researching papers, it's much worse for those learning the material for the first time. As for sports it looks increasingly likely the pro's come back. The PGA starts in June, we've all heard baseballs Arizona plan. Here's Fauci: www.si.com/mlb/2020/04/15/dr-anthony-fauci-professional-sports-return-summer-coronavirus-no-fansAnd basketball: www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/report-optimism-is-growing-that-the-nba-can-finish-the-2019-20-season/ar-BB12JHR4?ocid=spartanntp
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Post by johneaztec on Apr 16, 2020 19:21:08 GMT -8
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Post by longtimebooster on Apr 17, 2020 6:46:02 GMT -8
It is almost certain that none of the major universities in San Diego County will open their campuses this fall. Thus, it is unlikely that the major sports of college football and basketball will be played this fall/winter. www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/education/story/2020-04-16/uc-san-diego-might-stick-with-online-classes-this-fall-due-to-coronavirus-crisisUC San Diego Chancellor Pradeep Khosla said Thursday that the school might stick with online courses for the fall quarter due to the coronavirus, but that he doesn’t see it becoming a permanent arrangement. He said the University of California system is considering the option for its undergraduate campuses and that UC executives will make the final decision. “I think (staying with online) is completely within the realm of possibility,” said Khosla, whose school has nearly 39,000 students. “We have not made a decision about the fall quarter yet. We are looking at multiple models and have activated a continuity of education task force, a continuity of research task force and are also working with public health experts to help inform such a decision in concert with the UC system.” The California State University system is weighing the same option for its schools, including its campuses in San Diego and San Marcos. Those two schools collectively serve nearly 50,000 students. It’s also possible that San Diego County’s two other major four-year schools — the University of San Diego and Point Loma Nazarene University — might stay with online instruction through the end of the year. Neither school has publicly committed to bringing students back to campus in the fall.
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Post by moctezumaii on Apr 19, 2020 1:54:10 GMT -8
There is some truly disturbing news POTENTIALLY developing that would transcend sports in a significant fashion. The factors are being investigated as more is learned about the 5-month old virus. Also, it's important to consider there is no guarantee whatsoever that a vaccine will not be developed 'in 18 months'. Numerous viruses that have been around for a long time have no vaccine, including but not limited to the herpes family, HIV and Ebola. 1. There is evidence developing but still not completely verified, that the human body may build only fleeting resistance/immunity to the virus and there is possibly NO immunity conveyance. There are now numerous cases of recovered victims re-manifesting viral symptoms after being supposedly clear. It is not currently understood if these 're-infecteds' are due to a) initial false negatives resulting from inadequate testing protocols (the good) b) reactivation of a dormant virus, a la herpes (the bad) or c) actual bona-fide re-infections (the ugly). 2. But perhaps the most disturbing issue is that there is growing evidence that COV19 might be one of the rarer diseases, along with Dengue Fever, for which not only does a vaccine or initial exposure to the disease NOT result in future resistance/immunity, but that it can actually cause the subsequent re-infections to worsen significantly via a process called antibody-dependent enhancement. This is when the virus hijacks white blood cells or other antiviral proteins to more easily enter into the rest of our body’s cells, allowing it to seep deep into its hosts’ nervous systems, creating permanent neurological damage in the hosts it doesn’t kill outright and more easily enter into the rest of our body’s cells to aid in re-infection of the host. This would cause COV19 to manifest with greater morbidity upon each subsequent reinfection up to killing a victim who had survived an earlier asymptomatic occurrence. If this proves true then, for instance, the sailors aboard the USS Roosevelt--- approximately 60% of whom screened positive for COV19 but showed no symptoms--- would be subject in the future to MORE SEVERE MANIFESTATIONS with each subsequent re-infection. Thus, there would be no herd immunity and there will be no vaccine forthcoming and the currently resistant, e.g. young people, will be less resistant and experience worsening symptoms with each future re-infection. And the old and weaker would, essentially, be fooked. IMO, all the notions of sports starting up in the fall or shortly thereafter will need to be revisited. Jeez, there was a time we thought they'd still hold March Madness, then maybe without fans. That time was a month ago. PLEASE NOTE: We don't currently have all the facts as we are still learning much about this unique virus. COV19 is so unique, in fact, that it has been categorized in its own viral grouping-- called a clade--- because unlike other viruses in the greater Corona family, COV19 shares genetic material from viruses outside the Corona clades entirely. Peace be with you. news.yahoo.com/recovery-coronavirus-may-not-confer-immunity-warn-experts-152011880.htmlwww.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166354220300528www.nature.com/articles/s41423-020-0424-9www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/03/27/822407626/mystery-in-wuhan-recovered-coronavirus-patients-test-negative-then-positivewww.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30195-X/fulltext#.XnEYqwyWDUE.twitterwww.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/coronavirus-vaccine-never-developed-warns-21890093
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Post by jdaztec on Apr 19, 2020 3:15:42 GMT -8
now thats pretty scary, hope its not the case
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Post by AzTex on Apr 19, 2020 10:41:52 GMT -8
There is some truly disturbing news POTENTIALLY developing that would transcend sports in a significant fashion. The factors are being investigated as more is learned about the 5-month old virus. Also, it's important to consider there is no guarantee whatsoever that a vaccine will not be developed 'in 18 months'. Numerous viruses that have been around for a long time have no vaccine, including but not limited to the herpes family, HIV and Ebola. 1. There is evidence developing but still not completely verified, that the human body may build only fleeting resistance/immunity to the virus and there is possibly NO immunity conveyance. There are now numerous cases of recovered victims re-manifesting viral symptoms after being supposedly clear. It is not currently understood if these 're-infecteds' are due to a) initial false negatives resulting from inadequate testing protocols (the good) b) reactivation of a dormant virus, a la herpes (the bad) or c) actual bona-fide re-infections (the ugly). 2. But perhaps the most disturbing issue is that there is growing evidence that COV19 might be one of the rarer diseases, along with Dengue Fever, for which not only does a vaccine or initial exposure to the disease NOT result in future resistance/immunity, but that it can actually cause the subsequent re-infections to worsen significantly via a process called antibody-dependent enhancement. This is when the virus hijacks white blood cells or other antiviral proteins to more easily enter into the rest of our body’s cells, allowing it to seep deep into its hosts’ nervous systems, creating permanent neurological damage in the hosts it doesn’t kill outright and more easily enter into the rest of our body’s cells to aid in re-infection of the host. This would cause COV19 to manifest with greater morbidity upon each subsequent reinfection up to killing a victim who had survived an earlier asymptomatic occurrence. If this proves true then, for instance, the sailors aboard the USS Roosevelt--- approximately 60% of whom screened positive for COV19 but showed no symptoms--- would be subject in the future to MORE SEVERE MANIFESTATIONS with each subsequent re-infection. Thus, there would be no herd immunity and there will be no vaccine forthcoming and the currently resistant, e.g. young people, will be less resistant and experience worsening symptoms with each future re-infection. And the old and weaker would, essentially, be fooked. IMO, all the notions of sports starting up in the fall or shortly thereafter will need to be revisited. Jeez, there was a time we thought they'd still hold March Madness, then maybe without fans. That time was a month ago. PLEASE NOTE: We don't currently have all the facts as we are still learning much about this unique virus. COV19 is so unique, in fact, that it has been categorized in its own viral grouping-- called a clade--- because unlike other viruses in the greater Corona family, COV19 shares genetic material from viruses outside the Corona clades entirely. Peace be with you. news.yahoo.com/recovery-coronavirus-may-not-confer-immunity-warn-experts-152011880.htmlwww.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166354220300528www.nature.com/articles/s41423-020-0424-9www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/03/27/822407626/mystery-in-wuhan-recovered-coronavirus-patients-test-negative-then-positivewww.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30195-X/fulltext#.XnEYqwyWDUE.twitterwww.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/coronavirus-vaccine-never-developed-warns-21890093In those cases we have only two options. Go back to full normal, intermingling freely with everyone, and take our chances. Or, huddle in our homes alone and starve to death.
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Post by sleepy on Apr 20, 2020 15:10:03 GMT -8
I know I said way back on page 1 of this thread (or another Covid thread) that unless you have "M.D." attached to the end of your name, you should probably not comment. But...
Seeing as how a bunch of ignorant clowns Down South decided it was time to open things up -- way, way ahead of schedule -- you can now pretty much kiss goodbye whatever slim chances sports had of opening up this coming autumn. See you in spring, after the body bags fill up.
Sleepy, non-M.D.
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Post by tmy49 on Apr 20, 2020 19:07:41 GMT -8
I know I said way back on page 1 of this thread (or another Covid thread) that unless you have "M.D." attached to the end of your name, you should probably not comment. But... Seeing as how a bunch of ignorant clowns Down South decided it was time to open things up -- way, way ahead of schedule -- you can now pretty much kiss goodbye whatever slim chances sports had of opening up this coming autumn. See you in spring, after the body bags fill up. Sleepy, non-M.D. Body bags ! Seriously. I remember a time when Magic Johnson contracted the HIV virus and the fear of almost all players. They wouldn't play with him for fear of catching the virus Well we got past that and with a few changes basketball continued as usual I kinda think the same will happen here. And by the way if your waiting for a vaccine to go back to normal there is still no vaccine for HIV
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Post by sleepy on Apr 20, 2020 20:20:35 GMT -8
I know I said way back on page 1 of this thread (or another Covid thread) that unless you have "M.D." attached to the end of your name, you should probably not comment. But... Seeing as how a bunch of ignorant clowns Down South decided it was time to open things up -- way, way ahead of schedule -- you can now pretty much kiss goodbye whatever slim chances sports had of opening up this coming autumn. See you in spring, after the body bags fill up. Sleepy, non-M.D. Body bags ! Seriously. I remember a time when Magic Johnson contracted the HIV virus and the fear of almost all players. They wouldn't play with him for fear of catching the virus Well we got past that and with a few changes basketball continued as usual I kinda think the same will happen here. And by the way if your waiting for a vaccine to go back to normal there is still no vaccine for HIV Ignorance is bliss. Until you or someone(s) you infected is waiting on a ventilator to become available...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2020 7:27:27 GMT -8
Body bags ! Seriously. I remember a time when Magic Johnson contracted the HIV virus and the fear of almost all players. They wouldn't play with him for fear of catching the virus Well we got past that and with a few changes basketball continued as usual I kinda think the same will happen here. And by the way if your waiting for a vaccine to go back to normal there is still no vaccine for HIV Ignorance is bliss. Until you or someone(s) you infected is waiting on a ventilator to become available... This current virus needs to be taken seriously. But people need to stop listening to all the doomsdayers. The projections were way off and there are plenty of ventilators available. You and everyone else should know that. There are still a lot of politics being played and it's disgusting. We have been told by leading health officials that April was going to be a tough month. Without argument, it has been. However, it takes roughly 20 to 25 days or more for a person to fall victim to fatality once showing symptoms of Covid-19. People should know that as well. Overall, casses have flattened, and that's a positive. Some sports are planning to come back soon. The PGA is talking about June and there has been other sports trying to come up with something. Parts of Europe are trying to open back up slowly. And that's a good sign. Will things be back to normal soon? Most likely not for a while. But it will gradually get better. It has to!!
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Post by couldashoulda on Apr 21, 2020 7:44:37 GMT -8
Ignorance is bliss. Until you or someone(s) you infected is waiting on a ventilator to become available... This current virus needs to be taken seriously. But people need to stop listening to all the doomsdayers. The projections were way off and there are plenty of ventilators available. You and everyone else should know that. There are still a lot of politics being played and it's disgusting. We have been told by leading health officials that April was going to be a tough month. Without argument, it has been. However, it takes roughly 20 to 25 days or more for a person to fall victim to fatality once showing symptoms of Covid-19. People should know that as well. Overall, casses have flattened, and that's a positive. Some sports are planning to come back soon. The PGA is talking about June and there has been other sports trying to come up with something. Parts of Europe are trying to open back up slowly. And that's a good sign. Will things be back to normal soon? Most likely not for a while. But it will gradually get better. It has to!! Excellent! Further, HIV and COVID-19 are two completely different species. I am definitely not an MD, but c'mon!
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